Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: J Shuford Subject: Re: [ILF] my first and last words on Joe P. Well, it looks as if Joe is up to his old tricks once again. I think the advice of ignoring him is sound, but in many cases it's really hard because Joe is so incredibly good at getting under your skin. Recently I had quite a run-in with him via e-mail when the whole "Kista = Joe" thing came out. Joe can't really do anything to me personally any longer, but I can certainly understand how he might still be able to harm or insult others. As for me, the only way he bothers me now is that he is human garbage and that he still tries to exploit, manipulate and degrade in some form or other every single good person on the Digest. He's a bad dude, kids. As someone who probably knows him best, stay away from him and try not to let his verbal psychosis get to you -- consider the source strongly giving a moment's pause to anything he says!!!!!!! John On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Eric J. Hansen wrote: > Laurel wrote: > > > Therefore, I'm advocating that NO ONE > > respond to him. It's clear to me that it is, in fact, HE that needs US- > > not vice versa. If we all decide as a unified group to stonewall the > > guy- what motivation will he have to remain? Remember, to those who > > receive messages from him; it only takes 2 seconds to hit delete. And in > > my humble opinion- even that much time is too much to spend on this > > waste of space. > > I agree completely... and here's a short story to demonstrate why: about six > months after the first and most-infamous Joe P debacle, Joe emailed me > essentially asking for forgiveness and to be allowed to re-join the digest. > He was very reasonable, polite and sincere. Well, after conversing with John > Shuford about what to do, I decided to just ignore the email and do nothing. > Two days later, I received an incredibly scathing email with typical Joe-style > Digest bashing (similar to what he just said to Lolita.) He also include a variety > of personal insults and evening some very cruel remarks about my wife. This > bothered me quite alot at first, but I eventually decided that Joe's own problems > are far worse than those which he could invent for any of us. > > So, it seems that the most effective way to lash out at Joe is also the easiest -- > just ignore him. He's a classic narcissist -- so much that he'd probably even have to > admit that himself. Since he feels like he _has_ to be heard, our silence to him > signifies that we just don't acknowledge his presence... the worst possible fate in > any community. > > Well, that's my two cents anyways... =) > > -- > Eric J. Hansen > Worldmachine Technologies Corporation > Internet, Intranet and Extranet Development > http://www.worldmachine.com > tel: (617) 357-4040, fax: (617) 357-4949 > > John Shuford Department of Philosophy University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1295 (541) 346-1054 shuf @ darkwing.uoregon.edu