Level 42 Digest for Wednesday, February 19, 2003

> From: Jackson, Lolita

> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:29:47 -0500

> They can play four dates in Indonesia and none in the US? Wow. I would argue that they likely have more fans here than there, but even if

> that weren't the case, wouldn't it be a little cheaper to tour here than in Asia? I am dumbfounded...Lolita

Well, Lo...all i can say is that i have a very dear friend who used to live in Jakarta, Indo, and when she found out I was into L42 she almost freaked!! She then went on a very long rant about how popular L42 was in Indonesia back in the day (she refers to THEN, since it's been a few years since she lived there, although she visits frequently). She went on and on about how her and her friends were ALL into L42. So, I don't technically know the answer to your arguments, however, I would say based on her comments that there is / was quite a large following there, at least at one time or another.

> From: julie fleury

> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:05:05 -0600

> The Dreams & Visions thing. I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to work. I requested 2 copies, a couple of weeks ago, but haven't heard a thing.

> Am I doing something wrong? Can someone enlighten me? Jules

Hey Julie,

Seems like you're over here in the States, based on your comment regarding the N.O. Jazz Fest. I have been getting quite a number of the requests from folks here in the U.S. to get copies, however, I don't think I've received any forwarded emails from the D&V email account as I've been getting for all the others.

Anyhow, water....bridge....send me a direct email and I'll hook you up!!

1 - Forever Now Resurgence Version
From:	Laurence Green <laurence.green @ scottwilson.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:44:26 -0000	[top]
The resurgence version is the album how the band wanted it to be released (in the main). I say 'in the main' because they took the opportunity to add some tracks that were being held back for B-sides (Time Will Heal). Tired Of Waiting was left off because when they were deciding what was going on there it was still probably scheduled for release as a single - it's a shame, as there are two cracking unreleased finished version of Tired Of Waiting - both with different lyrics that would have sat nicely on the RES version instead of, say, Forever Now. The opposite of what was said yesterday is true. RCA changed the version of Billy's Gone for their release of the album, the original (ish) is on the RES version. Love In A Peaceful World is about 1 minute shorter on the RES version and One In A Million is also a minute different. If I look for the what I think are the weakest tracks on the RCA version, I'm drawn to Forever Now and All Over You, which, ironically were singles. They certainly don't spoil a classic album but there are better tracks which could have been put there. All in all I prefer the Resurgence version, but, let's be honest here, more and more these days, when I listen to the RCA version, I'm mainly waiting for One In A Million to come round, which is surely the highlight of the album. On the resurgence version there's too much quality, and no track really stands out from the others. Phil dragged Mark and Mike kicking a screaming out of the rut and they produced a classic.The roles were reversed at Trigonstock, where apparently Phil and Boon could not believe how good Mike had become on keys. L()Z Visit our web site at www.scottwilson.com Privilege and Confidentiality Notice. This e-mail and any attachments to it are intended only for the party to whom they are addressed. They may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete any digital copies and destroy any paper copies. Thank you. Scott Wilson Kirkpatrick & Co Ltd Registered in London: No. 880328 Registered office: Scott House, Basing View, Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG21 4JG. UK. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

2 - sitting v standing
From:	Stephen.Whyte @ lpc.tv <Stephen.Whyte @ lpc.tv>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:39:16 +0000	[top]
This is more like it folks - a good honest debate. I'm glad I brought this up now. >No, I wasn't. I hate being obliged to stand up, and I hate being told how I >should enjoy a concert, be it peer pressure from fellow audience members to >stand up or the band cajoling me to clap or sing along (to this day the name >George Benson brings me out in a cold sweat - but that's another story). >Just personal preferences, but you did ask. AG, I'm not telling you how to enjoy a concert, and i'm certainly not telling you to clap and sing along - I too hate the whole "I'll sing a bit and then you sing a bit" that lead singers sometimes attempt. You're right, it is just personal preference. As you said, many folk at Reading wouldn't have known a lot of the tracks - so yeah, if Mark wanted a DVD with a more enthusiastic crowd then he should've chosen a more "Level Best" friendly setlist. But I think Humph is also right - I'll bet there are plenty of folk who are too scared to stand up whilst everyone around them sits. And if you go to a George Benson concert then you get all you deserve... >I second those preferences,and frankly never >understood the whole getting up thing. Well guess what...? >I would be very surprised if MK gave >too much of a hell about seeing a sea of people >bouncing around before him I would seriously beg to differ. I'll bet Mark would rather see people stand and clap than sit and gently tap their finger on their knee. His comments towards the end of the DVD seem to confim this. Let's get this straight; when I talk about standing at a gig I'm not talking about a moshpit - Level 42 aren't the sort of band you can crowd surf to - and I'm not talking about dancing like a madman either. I just feel totally trapped when I'm sat down and there's a good funky beat being blasted at me - it's a natural reaction to stand up and move with it. The best L42 gigs I've attended are at places like Bournemouth and Exeter - small venues, no seats, everyone feeling the beat and having a good time. >Clearly some people go to concerts, these are the >people that apparently do not give a fig about what >the set list is, for "more" than just the music. This >is, aparently (oddly), as much a social event as it is >a concert. I love going to gigs. Some people like cars, some like computer games, some even like model trains, but I like to go see bands I may not even know, based on word of mouth from friends, music mags, radio play etc. Granted, some are poor, but I've discovered many great bands and different types of music in this way. How on earth do you think I discovered L42? And if a concert isn't a social event, then what the hell is it? >If one is to attend a concert and fels that they can not do >something (in this case stand) without the approval of >others, they must have a real hard time with reality. Oh please... >How tall are you? I know where you're going with this. If I'm a tall bloke and I stand then people behind me can't see cos they're short etc etc. Sorry to dissappoint, but I'm a short-arse: 5'9" - it's not difficult to see over my head. Humph has mentioned that Mark prefers standing venues, so let's hope he chooses venues where people can stand if they want while also offering seats at the back or a balcony for those who like to sit. Fair? Steve ************************************************************************* This email is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, you are in notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person: to do so could be a breach of confidence. Thank you for your co-operation. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of The RTL Group or its associated companies. Please contact our IT Helpdesk on +44 (0)20 7691 6996 or e-mail support.it @ fremantlemedia.com if you require further assistance. *************************************************************************

3 - Bits and Bobs from yesterday's digest
From:	dean.osborn @ bt.com <dean.osborn @ bt.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:53:46 -0000	[top]
>>I was at the Reading gig and I saw a couple of people who were up dancing >>being told by an usher to sit down or leave!!!??? Another little niggle - >>why is it only available on DVD? I'm a techno-phobe and only have a video. >>Very unfair of the powers that be to decide we all have DVD players! I would have thought that it would have been far costlier for MK to have to produce and mail out heavy brick-like vhs tapes, which BTW is a fast dying format anyway. Who wants crappy VHS when you can have it on digital media. >>The sound quality in the venue was absolute cr*p - could barely hear Mark's bass cut thro' the mix at all most of the >>time. Yes, go back and listen to early Level 42 gigs from 1983/84 and the bass is very throaty and at the front of the mix, the way it should be. >> therefore is making sure most of the 2003 tour will be standing Gulp ! - It's looking more and more like another Greatest Hits tour isn't it ? >>When the hell are we going to get some NEW material from Mark King, call me Level 42 now.? Mark, if you >>haven't retired yet - MAN, what is taking so long? Yes, even a mere word from the great man about this would be a start - at the moment the silence is deafening. >>"Are you retired, semi-retired, or is the fun ride over?" Give us some sort of clue, please, do we have something to >>look forward to, or do we just need to accept what we have received being thankful of course and move on? Well said Mikey ! - Time was we received regular updates every couple of months - now we've been well over a year without anything of any consequence. Is it too much to ask to say a couple of lines of " we hope to do this soon..., or we are working towards this.... " We haven't really had any new material since One Man - and that was 5 years ago. Dean

4 - Sanding and sitting
From:	Steve Randall <Steve.Randall @ mouchel.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:38:47 +0000	[top]
Being older than most of you, I often book tickets at a venue where I can get a seat. Although I love the band because they play dance music, I like to sit and let the music flood over me. I'm usually in tears anyway. In the old days, I used to dance and not bother to watch. It's gone a bit the other way now. If I buy a seat, it means I want to sit down. If I book a ticket at a standing gig, I know what to expect. I don't stand up when the LSO come on stage at the Albert Hall. There again, they don't do many stand up gigs. If you wanna stand, get a ticket at a standing gig. I know there are one or two who go to every gig but I'm afraid I dont need that sort of fix. Steve The information in this e-mail is confidential and intended to be solely for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain copyright and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee) please e-mail us at postmaster @ mouchel.com and delete the message from your computer; copying, distribution, use or disclosure of its contents is strictly prohibited. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption no responsibility is accepted for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice contained in any e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. In addition, no liability or responsibility is accepted for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Please note that for business purposes, outgoing and incoming emails from and to the company may be monitored and recorded. Mouchel Consulting Ltd, Registered Office : West Hall, Parvis Road, West Byfleet, Surrey UK KT14 6EZ Registered No : 1686040

5 - FN
From:	Laurence Green <laurence.green @ scottwilson.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:10:20 -0000	[top]
There IS a second, remastered Japanese version of Forever Now - I have it. The cat. number is different, as is the sash - apparently it says it's remastered, but it's in Japanese. (I have the original Japanese FN as well - and a FN CD from Mexico). Level Best was also recently reissue remastered in Japan (I have that - and the original Japanese). Early Tapes was reissue last year in the UK with a new artwork disc and remastered, I got that too. L()Z Visit our web site at www.scottwilson.com Privilege and Confidentiality Notice. This e-mail and any attachments to it are intended only for the party to whom they are addressed. They may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete any digital copies and destroy any paper copies. Thank you. Scott Wilson Kirkpatrick & Co Ltd Registered in London: No. 880328 Registered office: Scott House, Basing View, Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG21 4JG. UK. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

6 - In the audience
From:	mark.summers1 <mark.summers1 @ ntlworld.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:05:49 -1000	[top]
Are there any digesters who can clearly spot themselves in L42 DVD or video concerts? I'd like to put faces to names. I'd love to know the lady in light blue in the front row of the Isle of Wight DVD! ;o) Mark Summers :o)

7 - J - Lo
From:	DLabossiere @ ci.santa-ana.ca.us <DLabossiere @ ci.santa-ana.ca.us>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 08:09:03 -0800	[top]
> From: Jackson, Lolita > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:29:47 -0500 > They can play four dates in Indonesia and none in the US? Wow. I would argue that they likely have more fans here than there, but even if > that weren't the case, wouldn't it be a little cheaper to tour here than in Asia? I am dumbfounded...Lolita Well, Lo...all i can say is that i have a very dear friend who used to live in Jakarta, Indo, and when she found out I was into L42 she almost freaked!! She then went on a very long rant about how popular L42 was in Indonesia back in the day (she refers to THEN, since it's been a few years since she lived there, although she visits frequently). She went on and on about how her and her friends were ALL into L42. So, I don't technically know the answer to your arguments, however, I would say based on her comments that there is / was quite a large following there, at least at one time or another. > From: julie fleury > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:05:05 -0600 > The Dreams & Visions thing. I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to work. I requested 2 copies, a couple of weeks ago, but haven't heard a thing. > Am I doing something wrong? Can someone enlighten me? Jules Hey Julie, Seems like you're over here in the States, based on your comment regarding the N.O. Jazz Fest. I have been getting quite a number of the requests from folks here in the U.S. to get copies, however, I don't think I've received any forwarded emails from the D&V email account as I've been getting for all the others. Anyhow, water....bridge....send me a direct email and I'll hook you up!!

8 - AIRFARE & PACKAGE DEALS
From:	Michael Payne <michael @ journeyhouse.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:13:42 -0600	[top]
Being a travel agent, I received fare and package notices for the Summer 2003 today. There is a major SALE on (USA to EUROPE), including the UK, starting today, lasting until, well who knows. Fares have dropped significantly for Europe mainly due to the threat of war and lack of travel to Europe, mainly France and Germany. If anybody would like to me to check out some fares, (no cost for digesters of course, I waive my commission) for L42 UK summer dates or even Indonesia - I would be happy to find you something you can afford! MIKEY

9 - The Final Analysis
From:	Brian Flint <wolfbard @ hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:27:43 +0000	[top]
In Tolkien's now overly popular Lord of the Rings trilogy we find that Level 42 transcends all. BTW, I'm talking about the book not the movie. In The Two Towers during the battle at Helm's Deep, Gimli and Legolas are keeping a running total of their kills. In the end, Gimli has a grand total of 42. Obviously Tolkien was a Level 42 fan. Either that or Gimli was. Bri _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

10 - Personal registration number
From:	HOLMAN, Stuart <HOLMANS @ NORWICH-UNION.CO.UK>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:00:39 -0000	[top]
Has anyone got a L42 themed car registration number ? My choice would be L42 STU !!! According to DVLC that number isn't registered to a vehicle so I may make enquiries regarding the purchase of it - bet it'll be expensive though !! Stu. ******************************************************************** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ******************************************************************** Norwich Union Insurance Limited Registered Office: 8 Surrey Street, Norwich, NR1 3NG Registered in England Number 99122 Member of the General Insurance Standards Council Regulated by the Financial Services Authority For Further enquiries 01603 622200

11 - Speaking of Concerts
From:	Dan Nesselroth <dnesselroth @ hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:22:32 -0800	[top]
I am getting ready to enjoy seeing "Average White Band" playing here in Los Angeles on Thursday! Remember them? "Catch Me Before I have to Testify" and "Give it Up For Love"??? BRIT FUNK THAT PRE-DATES LEVEL 42!!! Actually, AWB are one of the few bands comprable to Level 42...at least EARLY level 42 in terms of jazz/funk. I remember seeing Level 42 in Toronto in 1987. This year was good for them...they really did reach a wider audience with their commercial success (sellouts!) of the time. The auditorium was huge, the show was sold out, and yet most people around me had no idea what a song was if it WASN'T on Running In The Family....I kept hearing whispers of "I don't know this one..." when a non RITF was played (and they only played a few) and constant cries of "Play LESSONS!!!!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

12 - Michael Payne's e Mail & Reading
From:	Dannymkavanagh @ aol.com <Dannymkavanagh @ aol.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:21:40 EST	[top]
Hallo all, I thoroughly enjoyed reading Mikes e Mail and he raised some very good points. I have to say that I wasn't aware how many of you in USA travelled back to UK to see gigs ....you guys are 'true fans' On the subject he raised on new material...yes it is wait and see but it will be interesting to see what 'style' will come out in other words will he go back to basics or will we be entertained with music sounding like the latter offerings? I have had a wry smile at the debate is to whether it should be done 'standing up' or 'sitting down'...watching Level 42 that is! I have been lucky enough to have been to 4 of their gigs where 2 of them were sitting down and 2 of them were standing up. In my opinion standing up is better there's nothing that beats a dancing to a Level 42 tune. 'Take care of yourselves' Danny

13 - Reading dvd,sitting on your backside.
From:	keith ashley <keith_stuart2 @ hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:02:28 +0000	[top]
Your right about them sitting on their backsides at the reading concert Stephen.I went to the Wolverhamton concert and as soon as Level 42 came on i stood up and this made everyone eles stand up too. By doing this everyone had a great time.Even Mark said that we were probably the best crowd on the tour. The remark Mark made on the dvd made my laugh and yes it does spoil the dvd with eveybody sitting down. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk

14 - Dont Flame (yea right)
From:	Monique Williams <mowllms @ yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:30:31 -0800 (PST)	[top]
1^Mikey please dont flame up!!Oklahoma is too far away to spray a hose at!!I agree 100% with the North Am.Touring situation!also when Lolita posted about the dates for the 3 arab countries(arent the UK and US preparing to go to war,maybe its just me but the timing is pretty BAD)its like deja vu.Mark ran this same course before pissing everyone off and those very dates were cancelled due to lack of ticket sales. peace^mo __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

15 - Plastic and Duct-tape
From:	Monique Williams <mowllms @ yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:39:14 -0800 (PST)	[top]
while you guys are laying plastic sheets and duct-taping your individual bomb shelters prepare to take Guaranteed,Staring At the Sun and Forever Now down under with you so you can re-evaluate.food for thought. peace in a lovefilled world mo __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

16 - Clue Me In
From:	Colin Gupta <thegoop @ sympatico.ca>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:39:52 -0600	[top]
So,_what's_up_with_these_? Sorry,_I_can't_do_those_little_faces_either. :+/ Colin

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