Level 42 Digest for Wednesday, April 23, 2003

Wednesday, April 23, 2003

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Topics for Wednesday, April 23, 2003

  1 - 2003 Tour - Ricky Mullen
  2 - slanted gavins non-creation & other excretions with a side of "all" and "who" towrad mismanagment - jt
  3 - old and new - sandstorm and water - Jonas Wilhelmsson
  4 - Collectors - ERICWHE01 @ aol.com
  5 - welcome/vibe/bands & Iggy - Eric J. Hansen
  6 - re:love in a peaceful world - Monique Williams
  7 - Other favorites - JerryRehn @ aol.com
  8 - Love in a Proofread World - alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca
  9 - Other artists - DonZipf @ aol.com
  10 - Krys Mach - AltoforHire @ aol.com
  11 - New level 42 compilation ! - dean.osborn @ bt.com
  12 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 4/23/2003 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE

1 - 2003 Tour
From:	Ricky Mullen <RMullen @ motherwell.co.uk>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:25:13 +0100	[top]
Anybody know who the support is likely to be at Glasgow? Last years was all very well to look at but instantly forgettable talent-wise!! Cheers Ricky ******************************************************************** E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (including any attachments to it) contains information which is confidential. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error, please let us know by replying to the sender, and immediately delete it from your system. Please note, that in these circumstances, the use, disclosure, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. We apologise for any inconvenience that may have been caused to you. Motherwell College cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of this message as it has been transmitted over a public network. ********************************************************************

2 - slanted gavins non-creation & other excretions with a side of "all" and "who" towrad mismanagment
From:	jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:10:56 -0700 (PDT)	[top]
> Michael Payne > Thanks for that! First, my list was NOT limited, > geez it had 6 choices (A-F, if I remember) that were > vastly different, and NOT slanted at all! I agree. > Eric Johnson > What do you > guys think are the most popular 'other bands' we > listen to? Eric H and I dig Talk Talk, but yeah, Steely Dan would probably be the widest conjoined liking, although I have no desire for their new(er) stuff, so I place and * next to my vote. And AG and I have discovered we both have a fondness for...oh wait, that has nothing to do with music... alex.friesen > Anybody know > what he [gavin harrison] did with Level > 42? I think he was either in a video or 2, or he was on the Forever Now tour. Or both. Or neither. > of a performer, to _perform_! Being on stage in > front of an appreciative > audience is something for which there is no > substitute. > irreplaceable rush of playing live music that's his > prime motivator. Normally I would totally agree, but when someone is just running through the same tunes, essentially note for note, for less than 8% of the year I can't imagine this is one of those music for music's sake, creative for creativity's sake, et (or "soothing the inner beast") things. As I've said elsewhere, even his solos, when he takes them, show little to no creativity, 'look ma, I'm playing a few bars of "mr. pink" without the band!". > Catharsis in action. That would be nice (unless you are talking about vomiting...), but unfortunately it's not what I saw or have heard. > Rebuttals welcome. Would you like a receipt? ;) melodycool2001 @ yahoo.de > We all can be happy that > Level 42 are back on the road again with > (whoever)....(new material or old..) who cares?? Obviously some of us (still) have eardrums, let alone standards. So, consider me a "who" and one outside of your ring of "all". Monique Williams > Does anybody know what happened to > Paul Crockford? Is > he still managing or has he retired from the music > industry? M, was he EVER managing would be a mo' proper question, no? Laurence Green >Apparently Joe P's hat has bought the rights > to the name Joe P and is now touring on J Tracy > under the name Joe P :-) er, what? Undies, not hat. Veen, Willem van der >Couple of years i started this thread > but i never got a satisfied answer to it, Upon reading Don's reason(s) for MK whoring L42, I too will only answer questions when I am ready, not when YOU are ready. So settle down! What's a few years!! ;) As for your question, didn't you basically answer it yourself? j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

3 - old and new - sandstorm and water
From:	Jonas Wilhelmsson <jonas.wilhelmsson @ drutt.com>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:43:29 +0200	[top]
L()Z wrote: ---------------------------- "Mark's doubled his shares in Level 42 recently and has called his band Level 42. Frankly I don't mind what he's called it - it's just as good as it was before he renamed it and it's still not Level 42 TO ME. Enough. (Still good enough for me to go and see them though)" hmm. couldn't agree more. being a die-hard fan ever since the early tapes, I'm of course sad that the original L42 is no more. those were the days. a unique blend of live performances beyond reality and musical cleverness that made most other bands appear mainstream - harmonically and lyric wise. (it's just as frustrating to have missed the digest all these years; it must have been a blast back in the days when a reunion could have happened - at least in theory). I remember a gig they did in gothenburg, sweden 1987. a journalist friend of mine was doing the interview for the local paper and I was allowed to sit in. only mike came (they had stopped full-band interviews) and appeared not too inspired. the gig was also the least energetic of the 6 shows I've seen here in sweden - quite far off the stunts from 3-4 years earlier. I don't think I'll make it to the 2003 tour, but can only hope that MK and the (semi)- new crew can re-ignite some of the old sparks. that should be fun to see. however, they could never, never, be Level 42 to me. willem wrote: ---------------------------- "The bassline from hot water was according to interviews a line which was created on keys and mike came up with the line at one point. As you know the riff is almost the same as in sandstorm. Wich was first Sand or Water ?? if you think the answer is sandstorm because this was recorded earlier then you are probably wrong (imo). The hot water line sounds to me like a simple version of Sandstorm. Therefore my gues is Hot water was first. Playing the line on the bass for a while, adding some 'fashion-tricks" sandstrom was born" anyone's guess is probably as good. looking at phil's website, it looks as if the riff had been there for ages. it's not uncommon that you (re)use phrases, chord-turns or riffs in more than one situation. (hell, some bands even make a living of writing the same song over and over again....) this is what phil says about hot water (taken from the Q/A secion at www.philgould.com): "The song that really saved our career,šHot Waterš, was really a 20 minute jam on a riff Mark had knocking about for a few years. One weekend Mike, Wally and I re-arranged the bits into a song format , I stayed up all night writing the lyrics, and , later, Mark & ken did this major re-mix from which the single version was culled and, hey presto, we had ourselves a career saving hit." cheers, jonte

4 - Collectors
From:	ERICWHE01 @ aol.com <ERICWHE01 @ aol.com>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:10:58 EDT	[top]
For all those 'Completeists' out there, Spectrum have cobbled together another compilation album of Level 42 at their usual price of Ł6.99. The album is called 'Level 42 - the Collection' It has 17 tracks which include (all Polydor !) : 1.something about you 2.the sun goes down (living it up) 3.leaving me now 4.starchild 5.Tracie 6.it's over 7.to be with you again 8.micro Kid 9.the chant has begun 10.the return of the rugged handsome man 11.love games (live) 12.almost there 13.dance on heavy weather 14.two hearts collide 15.hot water 16.shapeshifter 17.dune tune It'll be available from 5th May - now, who said bandwagons weren't for jumping on ??? Eric W

5 - welcome/vibe/bands & Iggy
From:	Eric J. Hansen <ehansen @ worldmachine.com>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:26:59 -0400	[top]
Bunch of stuff to write about today! welcomes First off, welcome back Takeo! That's a blast from the past, for sure. It does seem like "they're all crawling out of the woodwork" these days... Whatever became of Pat Flanagan? I correspond with him every so (long) often, but I think he's just lost interest. Lump him in with past alums like Tucker Haas, Dan Lloyd, Elson Trinidad, Vince Mora, and Laz Nibble. Digest vibe Mikey also wrote about the passing of the golden age of the Digest. A growing sentiment seems to be that things aren't like they used to be. More "bickering", less agreement, not much to discuss, etc. Sounds like "community marriage." Everyone has a theory on this, so of course I have to offer not one but three (keeping consistent with Mike's typical posts ;) a) First theory is that this is just the maturing of the Internet - i.e., people getting used to the technology. Certainly people are more comfortable with email now than they were in 1997. In 1997 (which I pick as an arbitrary benchmark), most folks were just getting their first AOL accounts, emailing their friends about the weather, and figuring out for the first time what an "email digest list" was all about. I liken it to having just gotten your driver's license when you're both thrilled and apprehensive to be behind the wheel. A few years later (again with the driver's license), you're king of the road, you go where you damn well please, and when someone cuts you off, its F-YOU, <HONK>, flip the bird, etc.... (even if you were the one at fault!) Ok, maybe my example is a bit extreme, but the point is that it takes time for people to adapt to new technology. During this phase, behavior is shaped by inexperience, apprehension, and the tendency to not want to rock the boat. So "these days" on the Digest, I think people are more likely to show their previously-suppressed criticism about anything/everything because they are comfortable with the medium. b) Another theory might be that these are just different times. Economy, war, SARS, etc. Plenty for people to be on edge about. Add to that some controversey about Gary Husband and you have a formula for outright antisocial behavior (sorry AG, behaviour.) c) "The natives are restless". Not much new in Level 42 land lately? While this is debatable, there is definitely reserved optimisim that MK will release some new material. But until that happens, on the Digest, we're left to cannibalize old discussion topics in hopes of finding some unexplored areas (which, as Loz pointed out the other day, are few and far between...) d) I know I said three, but the fourth (and probable) explanation is that its a combination of many factors, including 1-3, above. other bands* Eric Johnson asked about other bands... always of my favorite Level 42 topics. :) Over the years, I think there have been a number of other bands/musicians that we have compared & discussed favorably on the Digest. A few of those include Incognito, Jamiroquai, Steely Dan and Nik Kershaw. I myself was turned on to Incognito purely out of recommendations made on the Digest. All told, I probably communicate (individually) with Digest members more frequently about other bands than I do about Level 42! Go figure. By the way, I really liked Eric Johnson's first album. :) Gavin & Iggy Alex mentioned that Gavin Harrison had been written up in Modern Drummer, and that he had played with Iggy Pop. Wow. That's a good one for a Level 42 "six degrees" quiz... :) -Eric

6 - re:love in a peaceful world
From:	Monique Williams <mowllms @ yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT)	[top]
--- I agree until you have actually performed you don`t know about the rush that sweeps over you. It is pretty satisfying (sp.) and mindblowing! peace,mo __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

7 - Other favorites
From:	JerryRehn @ aol.com <JerryRehn @ aol.com>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:58:02 EDT	[top]
Eric johnson wrote: "...bands such as Steely Dan, Yes, Pat Metheny Group, etc. What do you guys think are the most popular 'other bands' we listen to? i would guess they AREN'T bands such as The Grateful Dead etc..." Excellent choices, Eric! As far as my other favorites, when I heard Pat Metheny for the first time, I never looked back. Pat has become the single most influential musician in my life by far. Second place isn't even close. Level 42 has always been a favorite pop act, but in terms of what music is really about - Metheny (either solo or with Pat Metheny Group) is what it is all about. I saw him for the first time live with the PMG in Feb 1998 and it literally changed my expectations of what a live performance should be. I saw him twice at the beginning of last year and he lived up to every minute of those expectations and then some. I HIGHLY recommend him in a group setting live for everyone reading this post. Steely Dan is another excellent band that covers a lot of ground musically and makes it all work extremely well. A definite favorite. Other favorites: Al Di Meola, Toto (yes, I said Toto - especially since the addition of Simon Phillips on Drums), Tears for Fears (from Sowing the Seeds to present) and Dave Matthews Band. Speaking of DMB, they segue nicely into your point about the Grateful Dead. They have been compared to the Dead for their jamming primarily and the fact that they had a serious grass roots following long before they were signed. But in my opinion, NO band in the world EVER needs two drummers. (I'm a drummer and I see no use for it at all.) The main difference for me is that the Dead and their followers are primarily washed up drug addicts who bathe on a rare occasion and the a large number of the women couldn't identify a razor with a gun to their head. They are everything I disagree with in life on just about every aspect - with the exception of the importance of music. The Dead are probably one of the most overrated groups in the history of music. They have done absolutely NOTHING relevant. Ever.

8 - Love in a Proofread World
From:	alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca <alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:53:39 -0400	[top]
I know, I know, I should proof read. Leaving out a negation does tend to change the thought, n'est pas? Here's what I meant to submit yesterday: *********** As for Mark's motives for gigging, I'd say his reasons are exactly the same as mine: to make some money, which helps when you have pastimes such as eating and clothing children, and, more importantly from the point of view of a performer, to _perform_! Being on stage in front of an appreciative audience is something for which there is no substitute. All that other stuff about milking the 1980s or the name Level 42 is valid to a point, but it will take some major persuasion to convince me that it's anything OTHER THAN the irreplaceable rush of playing live music that's his prime motivator. That's why people--and I mean real musicians, not pop shiesters--go into music: it's fun to play! You don't become a musician to make vast amounts of money. Okay, so maybe you might feel that way at first, but it doesn't take long to realize that it's pretty unlikely that mega-fame and fortune will come your way. People play music to sooth the inner beast. People play music to communicate in a way that words just can't replace. People play music to take their pent-up emotion and display it to the world in a way that lets other people, on a really low-level animalistic way, release _their_ inner turmoil. Catharsis in action. Rebuttals welcome. ...Alex...

9 - Other artists
From:	DonZipf @ aol.com <DonZipf @ aol.com>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:11:18 EDT	[top]
> What do you guys think are the most popular 'other bands' we listen to? I can only speak for myself, of course. Besides Level 42, I'm into Steely Dan, Sting, John Mayer, and Alanis Morissette. Also, today I was listening to Louis Armstrong's greatest hits. There are many others, as I have widely ecclectic tastes. Z.

10 - Krys Mach
From:	AltoforHire @ aol.com <AltoforHire @ aol.com>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:42:17 EDT	[top]
In a message dated 4/22/2003 3:31:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, level42 @ worldmachine.com writes: What is Krys Mach up to also? Has he joined with another band or done anything solo?peace,mo I met Krys a few years ago at a jazz club called Jax. He was living in the Los Angeles area. He still plays there with his quartet every so often. It's around the corner from my house in Glendale. Angel

11 - New level 42 compilation !
From:	dean.osborn @ bt.com <dean.osborn @ bt.com>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:45:19 +0100	[top]
I see there is a brand new compilation coming out on 5th May 2003. It's called Level 42:The Collection, and here is the tracklisting :- .something about you 2.the sun goes down (living it up) 3.leaving me now 4.starchild 5.Tracie 6.it's over 7.to be with you again 8.micro Kid 9.the chant has begun 10.the return of the rugged handsome man 11.love games (live) 12.almost there 13.dance on heavy weather 14.two hearts collide 15.hot water 16.shapeshifter 17.dune tune Good stuff eh ? - nice to see some different tunes on a level 42 comp instead of the same old same old. Nice picture on the sleeve too, you can see it here..... http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=243708 Dean

12 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 4/23/2003

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