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Tuesday, July 22, 2003 |
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| Topics for Tuesday, July 22, 2003 1. "jazz" and oh my gawd: level 42 talk!! - jt 2. Mark King's First Solo Album - RightAgainstLeft @ aol.com 3. The Secret Agent - Andrew Goodwin 4. + WEB DIGEST SUMMARY - Level 42 Digest 5. + MARKETPLACE - Level 42 Digest |
| 1. "jazz" and oh my gawd: level 42 talk!! |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:35:41 -0700 (PDT) |
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| -Colin Gupta Welcome back from holiday, CG. >Aren't the most popular jazz albums Take Five and >Breezin'? What's that saying for Jazz? Scary. I figure the sales of these albums are always from the people that need a ‘coffee table’ cd; the trendy ‘cats’ that can put a “jazz” cd on when that oh-so eclectic company comes over. Although Miles’ _Kind of Blue_ is, rightfully so, fairly high ranked as “popular” >Chet Baker for example was considered by one as a "footnote to jazz". Please. Gotta dig a Chet reference. >but Oyo Como Va is one of the ten coolest songs of all time. It's the taste thing again. Hmmm, that’s one of those tunes that, when hearing it, I curse electricity… >The point being, in regard to level 42 as jazz >capable, the level of talent required to play jazz is >varied. I believe all four >original players could >competently play jazz and that one should not form an >opinion of capability based on released >material. Well, true, but I think a fair amount of people bunting around talk on this have heard all of the released (and, at the time, unreleased) material and probably numerous live recordings (if one has trouble soloing, one can not “jazz”). So yeah, in the sense that complete wankers, like Phil Collins having a big band play “su-su-sudio” equals “jazz”, and ‘sirs’ Paul McCartney and Elton John can score “classical” music, yeah, L42 could’ve made adequate “jazz”. (intermission) Something curious going about, as some of you know there was a chap writing a book about L42, his silly title was _The Dog’s Bullocks_, or something. Now I don’t know the past story, but I guess at times he’s mentioned (on the Web Digest, I guess) that he is abandoning the project. Seemingly it was in ‘on’ mode when last week he made a post that he is now dropping the project because of things he found out –of course not mentioning them, of course, cuz of “legal” stuff. He is also dumping all his L42 stuff. Now the admin on the Web Digest, after also finding out stuff that can not be disclosed cuz, you guessed it, “legal” stuff, has made a disclaimer that they (the Web Digest/Forever Now site) are not/were not endorsers of the book (nor have ever been)[nor should anyone able to read have thought them to be, IMO] and that all past talk of the book is wiped from the site, and, I imagine, further talk on it is highly discouraged. While I am not even going to go the route of ‘what is censorship’, and such, I find it utterly fascinating that any time we get some news, it is never really highly discussed. If this isn’t a thing worth talking about, I don’t know what the hell is. Something curious is going on. Level 42, to me, hold little to no musical value any more. When I look at the band I see chaos and psychological weirdness that I have seldom seen in any professional field. Almost to a comical level (picture Crockford here). We are dealing with a band that when one asks a basic FAQ, “how did they get their name?” we have a handful of quotes with different answers. Pretty bloody chaotic. We’ve got a band leader (here I'm being generous and calling Cover42 "l42") that has different dates booked for a gig than the drummer; and then the whole thing gets cancelled with no word! (Indonesia gig(s) from earlier this year). So what kind of tyrannical behavior could get this guy to stop writing his book? Anyone with perspective and perception on/toward human nature knows MK can be a git. So it can’t be that. .. So until Eric tells us “legally” we shant rap about this; let’s get at it. Just cuz I wrote about things here doesn’t mean I “endorse” ‘em. Of course. (well, aside form Miles and Chet)… Oddly, j(ay) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com | ||
| 2. Mark King's First Solo Album |
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| From: | RightAgainstLeft @ aol.com <RightAgainstLeft @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:42:39 EDT |
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| I ordered Mark King's first solo album 'Influences' from Amazon the other day. What is the general opinion from Level 42 fans on this album? I know his Level bandmates lended their support with this one and that it was produced in 1984, supposedly because M.K. needed a downpayment on a house. Aric | ||
| 3. The Secret Agent |
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| From: | Andrew Goodwin <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:46:45 +0100 |
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| >1. Jazz >From: Colin Gupta < thegoop @ sympatico.ca> > >Jazz has and always will be an alternate or even underground genre. The >masses are no more musically illiterate today than they have ever been. >Isn't that like believing all people are generally stupid? But all people ARE generally stupid. Incredibly stupid. You’re knocking down your own case here. >Aren't the most popular jazz albums Take Five and Breezin'? What's that >saying for Jazz? I don’t know, what is it saying? I don’t follow your point here. If you’re saying Brubeck isn’t worthy of being revered as a jazz great, I disagree. Perhaps you meant something else though. >The point being, in regard to level 42 as jazz capable, the level of talent >required to play jazz is varied. I believe all four original players could >competently play jazz and that one should not form an opinion of capability >based on released material. One should not form an opinion of capability based on released material? On what should one base it then? Should I ascribe to Jeffrey Archer the ability to be a new Joseph Conrad if he only put his mind to it? How do we know Nick Rhodes isn’t a latterday Oscar Peterson, simply because he’s failed to demonstrate it these last 20 years? And if it isn’t on released material, then on what is your belief that all four original members were capable of playing jazz based? And how many inadvertently irascible sounding questions can one paragraph contain? If you’re saying studio recordings don’t necessarily showcase a player’s range of ability then I concur, but that’s why I specifically mentioned A Physical Presence as highlighting shortcomings. There are solos on that album which clearly demonstrate a lack of proficiency in improvising. >And by the way, after hours upon hours of listening to EMG, I must say, >hats off to Andrew. It has really grown on me and I can't wait to see the >show. Bah, shut up. I’m not jealous. I can go and see Level 42 and Scrappy Doo play hits of yesteryear any time I like. AG _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger | ||
| 4. + WEB DIGEST SUMMARY |
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| From: | Level 42 Digest <level42-admin @ worldmachine.com> |
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| Date: | Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:10:10 -0400 |
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Don't miss a Level beat! The following is a list of messages posted to the Level 42 WEB Digest over the last day (not including off-topic and admin boards). Click on a heading to get the full content for any board or topic. Questions about this mailing list related service? Email us at level42-admin @ worldmachine . com. Have fun!
Author Summary 18 messages: Bassgirl 3 messages: kamshaftreesycup, SteveR 2 messages: paulwaller42 1 messages: SGT_BARNES, Mrs Pink, Sharmin H, WorldMachine, Stevie_Jay, Arjan-M, Bjorn42, nikbj68 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 5. + MARKETPLACE |
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| From: | Level 42 Digest <level42-admin @ worldmachine.com> |
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| Date: | Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:28:08 -0400 |
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