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Thursday, March 27, 2003 |
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| Topics for Thursday, March 27, 2003 1 - Anyone for Dublin? - Alessandro 2 - Groups with new lead singers - Jackson, Lolita 3 - TRAVEL PACKAGES FOR LEVEL 42, INCLUDING TICKETS... (North America ONLY) - Michael Payne 4 - Phil n Mark - Laurence Green 5 - blemished materialismmmmmm - jt 6 - Tour and Fest Pictures Online - Daniel James 7 - Moving along.... - DonZipf @ aol.com 8 - Body Of Evidence - Andrew Goodwin 9 - Gary Husband, you insecure..bas...you know - Dan Nesselroth 10 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 3/27/2003 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE |
| 1 - Anyone for Dublin? |
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| From: | Alessandro <abollore @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:22:30 +0200 |
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| The Finno-Italian section of the Digest is considering Dublin. Should we have a "fossil reunion in there"? Mikey, not sure about cider but Guinness and Caffreys make the journey worth the monies... mac ---------------------- What a great way to start of the week with new dates from Level 42, no I mean, Mark King, wait, I mean Level 42! HUGE thanks and consideration to Mark for posting the dates early enough for the foreign fans to schedule flights and time off! I may do all the UK dates, cannot decide which town I want to visit yet! Which cities have the best cider? OH WAIT - no Jazz Cafe dates - I do not know whether to laugh or cry, I miss camera Nazi! MIKEY _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail | ||
| 2 - Groups with new lead singers |
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| From: | Jackson, Lolita <Lolita.Jackson @ morganstanley.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:27:11 -0500 |
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| I just got back from a conference for my firm, and they hired Kool & the Gang to entertain us. The lead singer was a guy who was no more than 25 years old, but sounded just like JT. It didn't really bother me that it wasn't JT, because all the old hits like Jungle Boogie and Hollywood Swingin' still had the original instrumentalists creating the groove [Kool Bell hasn't aged in 20 years!]. A successful group that comes to mind with or without the 'lead singer' is Incognito. He has always used a number of singers to mix it up, and even with Maysa gone [based on conversations with Bluey I would be surprised if she ever came back in a lead role with the band] they are great. The instrumentation of Incognito is what makes them fantastic, and to me Maysa was always icing on the cake. BTW, whoever slagged Walter Becker's solo CD - I disagree! I love that CD; Surf And/Or Die, Girlfriend - very cool songs. I actually like this CD better than Kamakiriad because it was more raw and less sterile. Lolita **** Important Notice to Recipients **** It is important that you do not use e-mail to request, authorize or effect the purchase or sale of any security or commodity, to send fund transfer instructions, or to effect any other transactions. Any such request, orders, or instructions that you send will not be accepted and will not be processed by Morgan Stanley. **************************************** | ||
| 3 - TRAVEL PACKAGES FOR LEVEL 42, INCLUDING TICKETS... (North America ONLY) |
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| From: | Michael Payne <michael @ journeyhouse.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:49:07 -0600 |
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Hello ALL, Forgive this minor plug here, but it is for a good cause. Those who have and haven't ever seen Mark King and the new Level 42 in concert before. I have been authorized, by my travel agency, to offer "special" travel packages to see the boys this year. All packages include consolidated round trip air, hotels, rail passes, and tickets to see the main man himself. I have packages for every date this year, including the UK, Denmark, and Indonesia, and any other gigs for this calendar year. If you would like to check out some prices e-mail me at the address above - with the subject line LEVEL 42 and I would be happy to work with you, even if you have other travel plans, I can check to make sure you are getting a 'good' deal! I have many happy customers on this forum from years past, so come join us this year - this could be your last chance! I hope to see some new faces out there this year.... MIKEY Michael T. Payne
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| 4 - Phil n Mark |
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| From: | Laurence Green <laurence.green @ scottwilson.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:55:49 -0000 |
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| Yes, Mark wrote the vast majority of the music for Level 42. But I VERY much feel that what Mark brought along was very much the 'raw materials' for the Level 42 machine to work with. He brings in the music, essentially finished, then it goes through the whole Levelification process. I think that basically without this Mark flounders a bit - he certainly doesn't achieve his best. I've said all along, although I think Phil is the kingpin of the Level 42 sound, that the Phil/Mark partnership is definitely an example of where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. And who needs hits - the question is, could a reformed original line-up write superb music and quench my thirst for Level 42 - yes. But it seems to me that, we'd get the same problems over again - Phil wanting to push at the boundaries of what they can achieve musically, and Mark (justifiably) wanting recognition and success and both of them winding each other up because of that. L()Z Visit our web site at www.scottwilson.com Privilege and Confidentiality Notice. This e-mail and any attachments to it are intended only for the party to whom they are addressed. They may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete any digital copies and destroy any paper copies. Thank you. Scott Wilson Kirkpatrick & Co Ltd Registered in London: No. 880328 Registered office: Scott House, Basing View, Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG21 4JG. UK. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. | ||
| 5 - blemished materialismmmmmm |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:19:47 -0800 (PST) |
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| >spare a thought for Phil > (and Boon &Mark) Mike. >just because Mark changed the name of > his group, who's to say also that the 2000 strong > Level 42 web community also jumped ship overnight? Good points Loz. > I can't thinking that in term of an academic debate > about Level 42 - a contrived line-up playing the > same hits year after year is worth a small appendix > in the great history of the group. That said - yes, > these guys play well and it's fun to see them. I don't agree with yer last statement(s),but no doubt this IS a part of the what-will-be-history. > Hmm, gotta say I agree with AG for once on some of > this…J Now I'm confused...Win, you are the one that 'said' I was harping on the Lamintaed Set-List too much, which, as far as I'm concerned, highly qualifys as "material"...all the other stuff is, basically, an aside. Although I, for one, also question the way in which the material in played. [now off of personal reply to win] Also, please note, especially to all you that believe AG will send you 10 bucks if you agreee with him, that he states "all its blemishes". So now, all you 'agree-ers' will admit it, or not cry, or shout "slagger", at least. And I believe noone, aside from AG, that they would not get wet in the pants if they originals got together and played the same shit. You'll get all sticky for a medicore version, but now you may not go to see the originals guys. Something smells of deep, deep bullshit. > Reformed, UNLESS the totally embraced the new pop > stuff happening today. Hmmm, tatoos (well, that's kinda done with, hopefully), sweatbands, skateboards...I think they can do it!! > Ok, please give me some of this ‘body of > evidence’? I didn’t come into this Heard _One Man_ lately? ;) (yes, yes, I know, this was MK's 'mature departure'...) > [mk]I do think he was the catalyst for this band. I go with that. Still don't think that's an excuse to whore the name because this creative catalyst can't get a sell out on the shows he wants to. And I agree that his lyric writing is pretty lame. >Instead, I will be listening to Mark and a > group of SESSION musicians Hmmmm, well, aside from GH I wouldn't call these guys in for any sessions... >and some OTHER DUDE crushing his balls > between his legs to get Mikes > backing vocals out. oye, didn't notice that, but it does explain the off-keyness to it, plus that kind of pain (ouch!) could easily be provided as an excuse for the vapid solos... I think the photographer should capture that moment for the next tour program (even the tour program consists/ed of old stuff (!)...) > there was still an active variation of the band > "Yes" at the time! Herr Hanson, you are correct. Chris Squire was, I believe, "owning", "retaining" and all those other terms we use here, the "rights" to the name opposite of no. >The driving force here was Jon > Anderson Hmmmmmmm, while I stopped following them many a moon ago, I think Trevor Rabin had a big hand it making them nifty for Mtv, etc. > Either way, Fagan and Becker have way to much sense > (or they might say > they don't have enough) to attempt an iteration of > the Dan with only > one of the two. Very nice to see 2 (or any number) of guys have some backbone and not haggle over a name that would have certainly sold more albums/placed more ass in the seats... j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com | ||
| 6 - Tour and Fest Pictures Online |
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| From: | Daniel James <djames @ serv.net> |
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| Date: | Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:13:59 -0800 |
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| Right then, I thought I would do something completely different and *not* slag-off off nor defend the band since two months into the debate, I'm just as bored with it as I was then. Instead, I'll post some pictures :) I've just finally gotten around to putting together a web page with the pictures from Zak's gathering last month. There are several quicktime clips up there which you can tell from the thumbnails with a slider bar on them. http://www.level42webdigest.com/~djames/photo_albums/2003_zakfest/ Remember the slow connection though and be patient! Also, I kept holding off on posting these pictures because I hadn't finished filtering the bad images out and putting up captions but now that it's been almost eighteen months since the last Mark King tour at the Jazz Cafe, it seems rather obvious that I'm not going to finish. The Winter tour of 2001 pictures are now online at: http://www.level42webdigest.com/~djames/photo_albums/2001_europe/ Enjoy! | ||
| 7 - Moving along.... |
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| From: | DonZipf @ aol.com <DonZipf @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:24:18 EST |
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| Winston wrote: > I my opinion I think Mark’s weak area might be in the lyric writing, as he > Always had the Goulds, and he continues to work with Boon. I don't really agree with that bit. I think maybe Mark has never had enough confidence in his own lyric-writing ability. Personally, I like the lyrics he wrote for the Trash songs better than a lot of the stuff the Goulds have written (which isn't to say that they haven't written some good ones). Eric Hansen wrote: > Hypothetically, though, what would the Dan be like with only Fagan? > Probably like Fagan's solo stuff, which is great Of course, he only did the one solo album without Walter. The second one, for all intents and purposes, is really a Steely Dan album without the name. Cheers - Z. | ||
| 8 - Body Of Evidence |
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| From: | Andrew Goodwin <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:17:04 +0000 |
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| >4 - oldnewyoungold >From: Winston Walker < winman42 @ comcast.net> > >Ok, please give me some of this ‘body of evidence’? Well, the fact that when Phil Gould left they made a mediocre album followed by a dreadful album without him, and when he re-joined they made their best album for just under a decade. I didn't want to spell that out before for fear of another cycle of 'the merits of SATS/G/FN'. I can wait a good few months for that particular chestnut to come out for roasting again. >So I’m not a super fan of mark king, when I say that I think he WAS the defining creative spark... Mark King is listed as composer quite a bit more than any other band member. He had his hand in more songs than any of the other members, and by a LARGE margin I might add. He is listed as main writer quite more than any other. King was unquestionably the main contributor, I'm not disputing that. My point is not what Phil Gould wrote himself, rather that he made the contributions of the others more interesting. He certainly seems to have brought the best out of Mark King. The collaborative process is a curious beast. >I my opinion I think Mark’s weak area might be in the lyric writing You don't find 'Pamela' a work of wit and nuance? >7 - the general scratches his belly and thinks... >From: Eric J. Hansen < >ehansen @ worldmachine.com> > >I'm also trying to think if Steely Dan fits into this discussion at all... It's a stretch. A long stretch. Maybe pre-1980 vs post-1980 with the entirely differing coteries. >Hypothetically, though, what would the Dan be like with only Fagan? It's Fagen, Hansan. >Probably like Fagan's solo stuff, which is great (AG, comment?) It's crap. Cursory listenings of The Nightfly give the impression of a straightforward continuation of the Steely Dan sound, but that's a specious assessment. As Kamakiriad went on to suggest, Fagen apparently needs a defined concept around which to place his lyrics. As a solo artist he also employs much less cynicism than SD, and is less character driven. And there is almost none of the morbid humour which runs through the SD oeuvre, which is odd since in interviews he's even drier and more evasive than Becker. Two Against Nature, an astonishingly strong album after a 20 year hiatus, showed how much they benefit from writing together. >8 - Same old debate (cont.) >From: DonZipf @ aol.com < DonZipf @ aol.com> > >The point is, just as with our debate over Level 42 line-ups, every band >that undergoes a personnel change has both fans who are happy about it and >fans who are pissed off. You want to try being on the Haircut 100 Digest. Three of us arguing these last 20 years about the merits of the Paint & Paint album made without Nick Heyward. A positive band line-up switch? Squeeze happily waved goodbye to Jools Holland and welcomed aboard Paul Carrack, whose sublime vocal and organ work helped create one of the half dozen greatest pop songs ever ('Tempted'). A negative band line-up switch? Squeeze reformed after the critically acclaimed but commercially disastrous Difford & Tilbrook album with one Jools Holland aboard, thereby condemning every piano solo, no matter what the nature of the song, to boogie woogie hell. AG _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger | ||
| 9 - Gary Husband, you insecure..bas...you know |
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| From: | Dan Nesselroth <dnesselroth @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:22:46 -0800 |
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You would think fame and fortune...well riding on the tail coats of it anyhow..would make someone pretty secure. What kind of washed up, third rate, stand in drummer for a has-been pop band reads though fan email lists to attack his critics? He probably reads through it to look for his name to remind himself that for a brief period in 1988 he was part of Level 42's proverbial "shark jump". No wonder they let him write. Apparently I hurt his feelings and he email's me to insult me...I want the money I forked over for "Staring at the Sun" and "Garunteed" back! With interest. Gary, here is how it works in show business: You don't attack your critics, and you NEVER read your poor reviews. I am no professional critic, but I did pay for copies of your material. I have heard it, and am not astounded by it. No wonder Phil refuses to play it! And now that Ol' Mark King bought the rights to the brand you line up for the scraps. I will hang on to the old cd's thanks, because that is where the talent was. If you and the new Level 42 happen to get a gig better than opening for Ringo and his all star band, I might come to the show inbetween playing the slots and visiting Madame Taussauds. To the rest of you on the digest, if you want a member of Level 42 to email you, insult him. It seems to work. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail | ||
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