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Thursday, January 30, 2003 |
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| Topics for Thursday, January 30, 2003 1 - Goldfinger - Andrew Goodwin 2 - random names - jt 3 - various artists - Laurence Green 4 - Stanley Clarke riff = Heathrow bassline - Jackson, Lolita 5 - The Allan Holdsworth Connection - Will Greer 6 - 1984 - alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca 7 - Hardcore Fan? - Jennifer Wilson 8 - Question for Mr Hansen the digest Meister - Laurence Green 9 - Favourite Songs? - David Buddy 10 - David Landry - attorney at law - EMIKATIE @ aol.com 11 - Just had to say somthing - Bob and Debra Deitrich 12 - Disclaimers, intellegence, Level42, basses, aliens,the universe and everything - Steve Randall 13 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 1/30/2003 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE |
| 1 - Goldfinger |
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| From: | Andrew Goodwin <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:46:16 +0000 |
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| >1 - random maus clickings >From: jt < jtraci @ yahoo.com> > >Whereas here, noone ever puts 'off topic' in their >subjects. I know, great isn’t it? >3 - Gresham Blues >From: HOLMAN, Stuart < >HOLMANS @ NORWICH-UNION.CO.UK> > >I know it sounds very depressing but in my "Last Will &Testament" I've >requested a cremation and Gresham Blues is to be played as my coffin goes >on >it's last journey through the curtain ... Now THIS is a topic worth pursuing, on the proviso that anybody who chooses what is apparently the most popular funeral tune of all these days – Whitney Houston's version of I Will Always Love You – is instantly barred. I’ve had mine set in place for years now – Keith Jarrett's The Wind from the Paris Concert, and Iain Ballamy's achingly tragic All I Ask Of You from Balloon Man. Not a dry eye in the house. A friend of mine wants This All Started With You by the much missed Harvey & The Wallbangers. It's a song about a bloke who starts getting through shoes at an alarming rate, which he blames on his girlfriend. What better send off could there be? >5 - would-be covers, JK/Jamiroquai and GOLD and/or SPAM >From: Eric J. Hansen < >ehansen @ worldmachine.com> > >calling David Landry...!? Do you mean David Loundy, cyberscurge of the electronic universe? If so, prepare to be sued for Encoded Nomenclature Defamation. >And I won't even start in with Britney... best to leave that one for AG. Nothing against Britney Spears. Seriously. I'd rather have my vacuum-packed record company puppets squeaky clean and standing up for virginity than a) hanging their arses out like Christina Aguilera or b) making hackneyed stances of rebellion like Marilyn Manson. >Marketplace/EBAY wrote: > > LEVEL 42 LP GOLD DISC > >Up to 180 UKP! Wow. And I haven't even bought the can of spray paint yet! >7 - Virtual Light >From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca < >alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca> > >Aw, gee shucks. See how she put those wee kisses right before my name? >Bet all you other guys are jealous! Welcome back, Lozzie! Er, yes… Whoever the hell she is. Just you wait until Laura Kelly and her imaginary husband get back. Then we'll see who's the Digest lothario. Incidentally, I can't figure out what my deadline for getting these in is. What is the cut-off time? It’s 11.38 am here now, so I guess I'll find out. AG **** Important Notice to Recipients **** The information in this e-mail is largely cobblers and intended to be forgotten practically as soon as read. If you are not the addressee one is bound to ask what the hell you are doing reading it, let alone all this drivel. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption, no responsibility is accepted for changes made to this message after it was sent. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. Furthermore, no liability or responsibility is accepted for viruses, technical malfunctions, Pop Idol, the decline of the British Empire, Adam Sandler or The Lighthouse Family. Please address any further queries regarding e-mail policy to Norman Stanley Fletcher. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk | ||
| 2 - random names |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 05:10:59 -0800 (PST) |
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| > Even more interesting, I find, is that Alan > Holdsworth played on > Guaranteed. Yeah, pretty kookie. I would have to imagine that this was all due to Gary; therein lay the connection. >C'mon people, get a life, give up the > bad mouthing (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!) jezuz... > The gig was in Phil's garden in August 2000. Phil, > Mike and Boon were doing Thanks for the background, Lars. Cool. How's Phil's playing? Is it known that he continualy (still) practices? It would be stellar if he would put together a group, be in ex-Level42 or all new peoples... >I for one choose to come along for the ride. [guarateeeend bashing] As do we all, but that hardly means that the road we travel is (or will be) free of any bumpy-ness. > Unfortunately, people > really are ready to misattribute anything they can > to your employer, > even when to do so would be silly. And all the lawyers in the audience may now take a bow for causing these kinds of things. > Also, someone mentioned that Doug Wimbish liked MK's > style - > can you alaborate? > I'm suprised > someone from this stable would admit to it I'm lost to the meaningness of this? Wimbish is no stranger to the 'pop' world (Madonna, Annie Lenox, Mick Jagger/Rolling Stones). So I dont know where "snobbery" would fit in. > On the Jamiroquai thing - >unacrimonius splits amongst key members and What _is_ Stuart Zender doing these days? ok, j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com | ||
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| From: | Laurence Green <laurence.green @ scottwilson.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:40:39 -0000 |
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| Hi all, I don't want the Gould brothers 'back in Level 42'. To tell you the truth, I have VERY little interest in the entity now known as 'Level 42' - that's just my personal preference. I don't regard the band I saw recently as particularly any more relevant to the world of Level 42 than any of the other various tribute bands out there. I regard my 'Level 42' (and I'm not interested in the name) as the group that had a serious ideal, and serious quality, in terms of playing AND creating music. Maybe much of that came from youthful ambition. I see what's now known as 'Level 42' and I think more of dodgy 80s bands trying to carve out some kind of living. The two are worlds apart. I've spent a lot of time and effort on Level 42 - I wouldn't have spent any time and effort at all on the band I recently saw. They were good, enjoyable, but not deserving of intense examination. I'm perfectly happy with my current position - and everyone else's. You remember 1994,1995, 96 96 98 99 etc, when we were here. We discussed a great band and its legacy and felt proud of just how good it was. Now, on the web-digest ALL the discussion is on another band! A band which, actually, I don't think comes ANYWHERE NEAR THAT BAND WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING HERE FOR 10 YEARS - in terms of musicianship, style, finesse, success. But some people seem hell bent on getting me to say I enjoy Mark's new band just as much as Level 42 circas 1980 - 94. But let's say Mark sold the name to Mike - and he got his mates - the guys who played with him at Ascot, to be Level 42 - as he could have legitimately done. Would I then have had to like them as much as old Level 42? Let me be clearer - What's the purpose and approximate longevity of Mark King's Level 42? A) to make money B) 5 years before they're playing holiday camps. FIFTEEN YEARS AFTER THAT WE WON'T REMEMBER LEVEL 42 as Mark King, Lydon Connah, Natan King et al. We'll talk about the real achievers! I've gone too far - that shouldn't even have needed saying. But it does, because RESPECT for Mike Lindup, Boon Gould and Phil Gould is being chipped away. Chinese Way video. The polydor vaults do list a video for the chinese way - no one-s seen it, but Boon once told me that he thought they threw something together for what was a 'surprise hit' L()Z Visit our web site at www.scottwilson.com Privilege and Confidentiality Notice. This e-mail and any attachments to it are intended only for the party to whom they are addressed. They may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete any digital copies and destroy any paper copies. Thank you. Scott Wilson Kirkpatrick & Co Ltd Registered in London: No. 880328 Registered office: Scott House, Basing View, Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG21 4JG. UK. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. | ||
| 4 - Stanley Clarke riff = Heathrow bassline |
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| From: | Jackson, Lolita <Lolita.Jackson @ morganstanley.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:48:35 -0500 |
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| The Stanley Clarke riff that Mark admitted he used to make another song turned into the bassline for Heathrow. I have no proof, but the first time I heard the tune Lopsy Lu from Vulcan Princess, I immediately thought of Heathrow. During the brief time period I played bass, I taught myself Lopsy Lu so I used to hear it all the time, and I think I'm right on this. Anybody else concur **** Important Notice to Recipients **** It is important that you do not use e-mail to request, authorize or effect the purchase or sale of any security or commodity, to send fund transfer instructions, or to effect any other transactions. Any such request, orders, or instructions that you send will not be accepted and will not be processed by Morgan Stanley. **************************************** | ||
| 5 - The Allan Holdsworth Connection |
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| From: | Will Greer <Will_Greer @ empowersolutions.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:51:35 -0700 |
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| <<Even more interesting, I find, is that Alan Holdsworth played on Guaranteed. If you've heard any other Holdsworth, you'll know that this is indeed an extremely bizarre choice for a match-making with a Level 42 vacancy.>> Mark King had his eye on Gary Husband as a drummer for quite a while. Gary happened to be available at the time Phil left the band, and it’s told that Mark brought him in immediately without really auditioning anyone else. Gary, of course, had played on several Allan Holdsworth records, so there is the connection. Notably, they also hired Alan Murphy at the same time (again sight unseen, so I’ve read), which is either an admission that Allan would make a poor rhythm guitarist or would not be available to tour (or both). I imagine the addition of Holdsworth provided a dram of credibility with the jazz fusion crowd that the guys in Level 42 felt couldn’t hurt them any. I have always thought the Allan Holdsworth solos on Guaranteed sound out of place, but then again you can’t fault a band for experimenting with their sound to move in new directions. I’m normally not a “I only like their old stuff” guy – in fact my favorite Rush CD is Presto – but I do think that while Gary Husband and some of the later guitarists (Holdsworth, Murphy, Jakko, Topping) may have been more accomplished players than Phil and Boon, the original foursome had a very unique approach to writing and playing that was never matched thereafter. -Will ======================= Will Greer Empower Solutions (404) 995-3822 www.empowersolutions.com ======================= | ||
| 6 - 1984 |
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| From: | alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca <alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:40:49 -0500 |
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>> From: David Loundy There is nothing like being warned that you shouldn't have read the message you just finished reading as an attempt to preserve the confidentiality of the message you just read...[etc.] << Hilarious _and_ educational! Who'd a thunk we'd get both of those at once from a lawyer?! ...Alex... The information in this e-mail is confidential and is not intended for you. If you are reading this, you should immediately fold, spindle, and mutilate your screen so as to prevent further disclosure of its contents to unauthorized persons. Anything you dislike in this posting was caused by the data corruption which is so rampant on today's Internet. Moocher's Consulting Ltd, Registered Office: East Corridor, South Sprocket Road, West Bytavern, Soupy UK KT14 6EZ Registered No : 1880042 | ||
| 7 - Hardcore Fan? |
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| From: | Jennifer Wilson <jennifer @ thewilsonfamily.net> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:48:23 -0800 |
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angela armstrong <angl42lover @ yahoo.com> wrote:
It seems like when L42 changed their sound they lost some fans along the way...I guess I'm just a hardcore fan…I for one choose to come along for the ride.”
I’m not quite sure why this string of comments struck me as offensive. I’ve removed other text between the sentences but these were the three specific comments that struck me. I suppose this makes me ponder the question: “What makes a hardcore fan?”
Does liking Guaranteed and Forever Now make you hardcore? Personally, I prefer the older albums, and Guaranteed and FN are my least favorite of the bunch. Does that make me less of a fan? I hardly think so. Do I own both albums? Of course I do, although I rarely listen to those two anymore (except when my husband is listening to them). My question to everyone out there is, “What do *you* think makes a hardcore Level 42 fan?”
I suppose I make a large assumption that most people who were a part of the original email digest are hardcore fans - even lurkers, like me. I’ve made great life-long friends through the original digest and even met and married the love of my life because of it.
Aren’t all of us coming along for the ride? J
Take care, Jennifer (Reddin) Wilson
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| 8 - Question for Mr Hansen the digest Meister |
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| From: | Laurence Green <laurence.green @ scottwilson.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:51:08 -0000 |
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| Eric, Some people are nicking my witty and intuitive posts off the digest and pasting them into the web-digest? That's not on in my opinion - if you want to discuss things said here electronically then this should be the place. Is it legal? Tell you what, I'm so happy the digest is back. Those fellows on the web-digest are no longer my kin-folk! I have to say, they bring the worst out in me. I like Mark's new band - they're great. But I'm on this forum mainly because of my love for the original line-up. Thank goodness a good few here share my sentiments. Theres this one guy on the web-digest - I don't know who he is - he just won't allow me to like Mark Mike Phil & Boon? I don't even want to go there! What Mark does with the Level 42 name is mildly interesting, but banding the name about is no guarantee that we will, at some time in the future, get a decent fix of 42. If we had any sense here, we'd work on getting Mike, Phil and Boon together (I only omit Mark because I feel it's unrealistic to expect him and Phil to work together). Let's get Trigonstock OUT THERE and let's beg Phil Gould to release some solo material - which - I am sure - will blow our minds!!!!!!!!!!! L()Z Visit our web site at www.scottwilson.com Privilege and Confidentiality Notice. This e-mail and any attachments to it are intended only for the party to whom they are addressed. They may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete any digital copies and destroy any paper copies. Thank you. Scott Wilson Kirkpatrick & Co Ltd Registered in London: No. 880328 Registered office: Scott House, Basing View, Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG21 4JG. UK. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. | ||
| 9 - Favourite Songs? |
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| From: | David Buddy <davidbuddy @ blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:07:44 -0000 |
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Hi folks, I’ve been reading some of the messages regarding ‘what’s your favourite’ and ‘what’s your least favourite’. It’s funny listening to the music of, in my opinion, the best band on the planet ever and trying to decide what I like and what I dislike. I’m sorry folks but I don’t look at the music in that way at all. I can put on ‘Pursuit of Accidents’ or even ‘The Early Tapes’ then play the Trash album and feel quite at home with the whole lot. Let’s be honest, the music spans over 20 years, but to me it’s as fresh as ever.
I dabble in the bass a bit, and over the years I’ve learned to really appreciate just what Mr King does. So from a Muso point of view, where would we be without the music of Level 42.
Just thought I’d have my say. The digest is great guy’s, keep up the good work! Davy
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| 10 - David Landry - attorney at law |
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| From: | EMIKATIE @ aol.com <EMIKATIE @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:55:34 EST |
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| When the music companies come looking for me for my illegal downloading of music, I'm definitely going to ask David Landry to represent me. Me thinks he knows his stuff. Excellent analysis David!! Here's something to ponder...you download the latest album from a current one-hit wonder group. You've taken away a sale from the record company (their primary complaint). You've committed a crime. If you never listen to the music, did you still take a sale away? Did you still commit a crime? Did the record company lose anything if you never listen to it? Does the crime happen when you download the track or when you actually listen to the song without paying? If you do the honorable thing and delete the tracks and they still reside somewhere on your hard drive, can they still lock you up? How do libraries get away with distributing media. Why don't the publishers clamp down on them? Why don't they make everyone that wants to read a book actually buy a copy? Oh, the humanity!!! | ||
| 11 - Just had to say somthing |
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| From: | Bob and Debra Deitrich <deitrich @ adelphia.net> |
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| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:51:54 -0500 |
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Too much lurking makes Johnny a dull
boy.
Hey All in the Level 42 community.
Guaranteed wasn't so bad. When I discovered
it I was just glad to know the band was still around. You see, here in the
southeastern USA, unless you had a computer back then, you knew little or
nothing about the band. I would find used CDs and tapes in record stores
and rejoice every time.
I have to say that Chinese Way kind of annoys the
heck out of me. To me its a mediocre song that for some reason the band
felt compelled to put on about every record they ever made.
I can most definitely find a song or three off of
each album that I just love no matter what the bands line up happened to
be.
I'm glad to hear Mark is working under the Level 42
banner again and I look forward to new songs for years to come!
Thanks Mark.
Bob from VA | ||
| 12 - Disclaimers, intellegence, Level42, basses, aliens,the universe and everything |
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| From: | Steve Randall <Steve.Randall @ mouchel.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:52:33 +0000 |
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| DANGER - ONLY 2% LEVEL 42 CONTENT DANGER - ONLY 2% LEVEL 42 CONTENT I was interested in David Loundy's comments re employer's disclaimers. Yes most of them do appear to be b*****ks to me also. However, I must disagree with one of his subsequent statements "one out of every two people you meet is below average." I will consider that here he means intelligence, not height, musicianship, eye colour, or some other variable. Perhaps this thread we might discuss later in the week. While it may be correct to observe that people with two legs possess a number of legs, which is above average, his statement might only possibly apply when one generally meets people who are below average. One could easily walk into say, a country music venue or Lighthouse Family gig (if they are still going), and meet three, four dullards in a row. Conversely at a Level42 gig, 5 or 6 above average, might present themselves, one after another. Let us assume that Mr Loundy means the average intelligence of any two persons he has just met consecutively. Unless they are of equal intelligence, one will be less intelligent than the other. Therefore David's original statement is correct. But let us suppose there are three. If one is of average intelligence, then unless he meets the one of greater intelligence first, the statement still holds true. If he meets him last then it does not. This then extrapolates to that, in a crowd of intelligent people, that unless he meets the dullard first, the statement is false. Of course, in all this, one assumes that the average intelligence we are talking about is that of the whole population of the planet. If it is the universe being referred to, then of course, other beings come into the equation. In fact the proven discovery of aliens would probably be more likely to render the original statement correct, as they are likely to be more intelligent than humans, thus anyone you met here would be below average, assuming that most of the aliens lived off world. Actually this is not strictly true. If we discovered aliens elsewhere, it might be that they were less intelligent, having not reached our technical level. Perhaps, however, they would have reached our tech levels and not want to know us, meaning they were more intelligent. If they discover us, then their tech level would be higher than ours would, and they would just look down on us as some primitive sub-specie - like drummers. An interesting permutation of David's original statement might be "one out of every two people you meet at a Level 42 concert owns an above average number of bass guitars". I haven't even thought about this yet, so I'll see if anybody else would like to offer suggestions. But for background, I have two basses, Adz, Morgan and Roussell have at least three and God knows how many Don has. Of course Mark has loads, but you are lucky to meet him, unless you get into the bar afterwards. Over to you guys. Going back to disclaimers, of course David is totally correct in the fact that my views are not those of Mouchel Consulting. Being in the business of infrastructure maintenance, Mouchel Consulting do not officially give a tupppeny damn about Level42, whether they are boardroom favourites or not. As a final gesture of goodwill, I was sending this from home so that there was no disclaimer, which is what set me off in the first place. However, it came back saying I was not subscribed from there, so here is the disclamer!! Steve Randall The information in this e-mail is confidential and intended to be solely for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain copyright and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee) please e-mail us at postmaster @ mouchel.com and delete the message from your computer; copying, distribution, use or disclosure of its contents is strictly prohibited. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption no responsibility is accepted for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice contained in any e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. In addition, no liability or responsibility is accepted for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Please note that for business purposes, outgoing and incoming emails from and to the company may be monitored and recorded. Mouchel Consulting Ltd, Registered Office : West Hall, Parvis Road, West Byfleet, Surrey UK KT14 6EZ Registered No : 1686040 | ||
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