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Topics for Sunday, January 26, 2003

  1 - The Polydor business - ERICWHE01 @ aol.com
  2 - Off topic - Incognito stuff - Jackson, Lolita
  3 - Billy Cobham's Stratus - Lars-Ove Larsson
  4 - Romantic reaction ... - mikethepom
  5 - Disclaimers, addresses and other bollocks - mikethepom
  6 - Re: Useles Info - timeladyromana
  7 - Cover 42 - Chris Lawless
  8 - This and That... - Chris Lawless
  9 - Re: Her Big Mine, Worst song - AltoforHire @ aol.com
  10 - Non-Level 42 DJ mixes - Eric J. Hansen
  11 - Aww shucks - Brian Flint
  12 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 1/26/2003 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE

1 - The Polydor business
From: ERICWHE01 @ aol.com <ERICWHE01 @ aol.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:55:12 EST
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Loz, so you think that Polydor saw the writing on the wall when they saw Guaranteed or before the album was produced when the Gould's left ?

Was it Polydor, BMG or Warner Chappell who got Mark and Mike teamed up with George Green and Drew Barfield.... and imho managed to produce some of the biggest dross in the whole L42 repertoire. It seemed like an emergency act that backfired. The telling measure of all of this is the fact that few, if any, 'Guaranteed' tracks have been played at the live performances this last couple of years. I know it's only a personal opinion based on my rather bias anti-'Guaranteed' ravings, but to me there's only one decent song on the album and thats 'My Fathers Shoes' . The only other exception would be the title track but only in the  'wheel spin warriors mix' form. Most of the others would find it difficult to justify a b-side.

This argument is borne out by the fact that 'Forever Now' re-addressed the quality angle of the lyrics. One common denominator - Gould. But the damage had been done - Guaranteed was the band's albatross which eventually killed the band off.

Eric W

2 - Off topic - Incognito stuff
From: Jackson, Lolita <Lolita.Jackson @ morganstanley.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:04:11 -0500
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Someone asked me if I could get Incognito arrangements and tab from Bluey
for them. Well, the Incognito website forum is back up and running as of
this past week - it is set up very much like our web digest. One section is
actually called Tabs & Notes, and you can request anything you want there.
There are people on that site who are as fanatical as some Levelheads, so
I'm sure someone has transcribed anything you are looking for and will
gladly share it with you. The address is www.incognito.org.uk...

Lolita

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3 - Billy Cobham's Stratus
From: Lars-Ove Larsson <lazlar @ home.se>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:05:37 +0100
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Eric "digest-god" Hansen wrote:
>Anyways, I haven't had the pleasure of hearing Gary's trio, but I did see
>him with Billy Cobham last year. Gary played keyboards, and its safe to
>say that there was absolutely, positively NO recollection of anything
>even remotely Level 42. Of course, that being said (and tying in another
>current Digest thread), I'd like to hear Level 42 (with Gary on Drums)
>playing Cobham's STRATUS. Not sure how creative Mark or Gary could be
>beyond the original version, but it would be an interesting tour de force.
 
Funny you should mention this since Stratus was played at the Trigonstock gig with Phil Gould on drums and Al Slavik on bass. They did a pretty good version with outstanding drumming by Phil, and a great keyboard solo by Mike Lindup who also doubled the bassline on keyboards on a lot of the song to keep Al on track. Like Mike said at the end "A special prize to those of you who managed to keep dancing 'til the end."
 
I do hope that more stuff from this gig can be made available soon. It's Phil's recording and he has said previously that he would add some stuff to his own site when it gets on-line. That is bongosaloon.com.
 
The full track list from the Trigonstock gig is as follows:
 
1. Haunted House (Lee Oskar) (available at http://www.boongould.com/boontalk6.htm)
2. Mine (Boon Gould)
3. Love Is The Answer (Mike Lindup)
4. Stratus (Billy Cobham)
5. The Ghetto (Donny Hathaway)
6. Perfect Love (Phil Gould) with vocals by Berenice Scott (daughter to the founder of M)
7. Something About You (Th e fab four)
8. The Sun Goes Down (Ditto)
9. Danceable groove type jam
10. The Ghetto (space mix) (Donny Hathaway) 15-minute version with an temporary unintentional power failure induced acoustic section in the middle which features a great harmonica solo.
 
If you're still wondering what I'm on about some details surrounding the Trigonstock gig, also known as the 75% reunion, are available at http://www.boongould.com/boontalk6.htm)
 
And yes, Sklar plays on the original Cobham track, as does Tommy Bolin, later in Deep Purple and other bands.
 
Lars

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4 - Romantic reaction ...
From: mikethepom <mikethepom @ yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 04:24:48 -0800 (PST)
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Leveloonies ...

... I wore my lovely new Level 42 t-shirt to work the
other day - we were moving offices so the whistle &
flute got the day off. A girl I work with came up to
me and said, "Level 42 ... that's that pommy new
romantic band from the 80s isn't it?" Normally Aussies
simply struggle to name that elusive Level 42 song
title on the tip of their tongue, but new romantic ...
my arse. Although I do recall the lads being dressed
in completely inappropriate poncy clothes a la Spandau
Ballet one time (was Mark wearing a headband?) - maybe
my colleague saw a pic - what was that all about and
when?

After a Jungle Funk gig here in Sydney once, I made
Doug Wimbish promise he'd buy a copy of One Man when
he told me he liked Mark's playing.

Have any other readers had amusing, strange or
heartwarming reactions to the mention of Level 42? And
do I win a tenner?

Favourite quote from the old digest? Was it AG who
once remarked, in response to a female digester saying
Mark was cute, that he always looked like he had
mumps? I laughed my tits off when I read that. Sorry,
Mark.

That's it, there is no more.

Cheers ~ Mike (Sydney City Milkman)

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5 - Disclaimers, addresses and other bollocks
From: mikethepom <mikethepom @ yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 04:38:54 -0800 (PST)
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Hi again ...

... can I request that we cut all the disclaimers,
work addresses and other bollocks from the ends of our
posts? It's a pain in the arse wading through all this
crap looking for the real messages. Do any digesters
really care where we work or what our job titles are
or that our emails are intended solely for the
addressee?

Throw me a frickin' bone, people.

Cheers ~ Mike (Sydney City Milkman)

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[[ Digest Admin note from Eric: Mike, most of those
disclaimers are added automatically by peoples' outbound
mail systems. Look at your Yahoo signature, above - case in
point. Unfortunately the only way to really get rid of them
is for me to edit each Digest by hand, and I'm definitely
not up for that. I am, however, experimenting with ways
to automatically grey-out or "dim" the disclaimers (i.e.,
by using a grey font color.) You'll know if/when I get
this worked out. Cheers, Eric ]]

6 - Re: Useles Info
From: timeladyromana <timeladyromana @ supanet.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:32:05 -0000
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Hiya,
I do play Saxophone (alto) and Bass guitar. I'd like to chat about reeds and mouth pieces. Wow Bass trombone that sounds cool!
 
Ruth xx


7 - Cover 42
From: Chris Lawless <lawford42 @ juno.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:43:26 -0500
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In answer to the question about what songs would be interesting to hear
Level 42 cover-

1) 'Blue World' by The Moody Blues. Kind of a forgotten minor hit by
these guys back in the early 80's, but I think that Mark's vocals would
work well here.

2) 'Deacon Blues' by Steely Dan. I've recently rediscovered them, and
this track was always a personal favorite.

3) I don't know who did the original version, but there's a song called
'Jazzman' (it was on the episode of 'The Simpsons' where Bleeding Gums
Murphy died) that could be a lot of fun if performed in a live setting as
an encore. I know a few of you are probably rolling your eyes, but it's a
fun little tune in it's own right. And hey, at least I didn't suggest
'Scatman'...


Chris L.

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8 - This and That...
From: Chris Lawless <lawford42 @ juno.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:00:30 -0500
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Tom Foolery <grooveyardtom @ yahoo.com> wrote:
 
>my middlemost neutral song that I am the most
>ambivalent about is "Gresham Man" or whatever it's
>called. I don't care if it lives, dies, or wins a
>grammy - I'm so nonplussed as to not really be certain
>of its correct title, and far too disinterested to get up and check.
 
I'm guessing you mean 'Gresham Blues'? Regardless, it's one of my least favorites as well. Completely goes against the grain of the entire rest of the album, and is especially horrible following 'Man', which has to be one of my all time favorites. Musically and lyrically, it's a very sophisticated track.
 
Dave Mock <dfmock @ rocketmail.com> wrote:
 
>I have to say "Gresham Blues" is a moving
>instrumental, almost like the "SNL" closing music.
 
Speaking of bad music (and a painfully unfunny program still on so many years after it's 'Sell By' date)
 
 
In addition to 'Gresham' (which would also fall under the category of sounding the LEAST like Level 42), I'd add 'Leaving Me Now' and 'It's Over' to my list of least favorite tracks. Hate that overly mushy, sentimental, sad crap. And the video for 'It's Over' also get's my vote for worst L42 video as the visual content had absolutely NOTHING to do with the lyrics.
 
Favorite tracks: Man, At This Great Distance, I Sleep On My Heart, Children Say, Sleepwalkers, A Kinder Eye, Romance, Overtime (to name but a few).
 
Not sure I have a favorite album, though EARLY TAPES comes closest. I also once recorded on tape what I referred to as the ultimate WORLD MACHINE. I based it on the running order of the U.S. version, but after 'Physical Presence' on Side 1, I added 'I Sleep On My Heart', Dream Crazy',  the instrumental version of 'Coup D'Etat', then 'Leaving Me Now'. Side 2 ran the same for the first four tracks, but then I put in the vocal version of 'Coup D'Etat, and the Shep Pettibone remixes of 'World Machine' and 'Something About You' after 'Lying Still'. So in that sense it's one of my favorite L42 albums as well, but it's my version of their album.
 
BTW, does anyone know why two tracks from TRUE COLORS made it onto the U.S. version of WORLD MACHINE, and why 'I Sleep...' and 'Dream Crazy' were dropped? Always wondered about that one...
 
 
Chris L.


9 - Re: Her Big Mine, Worst song
From: AltoforHire @ aol.com <AltoforHire @ aol.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:42:31 EST
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My vote for worst/least sounds like Level42 song would be:

Time Will Heal

The song is ALWAYS skipped.  The end gets a little better but waiting through the sap is torturous.  Anyone agree?

Also, I think Bunty was talking about "If You Were Mine" when he was talking about violence towards women.  So which doesn't he like?  Her Big Day or IYWM?

Angel

Girl in 204

10 - Non-Level 42 DJ mixes
From: Eric J. Hansen <ehansen @ worldmachine.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:14:00 -0500
[top]
Ok, you knew it had to be me starting in with the pure non-Level 42 content.  :)
Due to "popular" demand (i.e., all of 3 people have asked me), here's the link
to download my "Lakeside" mix that a handful of other folks have heard:
 
http://www.swcp.com/vson/
 
Click on the "lakeside" mix, which is a WMA file, about 70mb / 71 minutes.  The
style is electrolouge and deep house.  You won't hear any Level 42, but some of
you may dig it... there is a healthy dose of retro jazzfunk and vocals,
as well as some smooth atmospheric beats. FYI this is a straight-through
mix put together purely from MP3 sources, digitally assembled and edited.
 
 
cheers,
Eric
 


11 - Aww shucks
From: Brian Flint <wolfbard @ hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:56:22 -0800
[top]
Well played Andrew. If only I proof read this crap before sending it off, you'd have less to comment on. My bad.
 
The Chinese Way is the best track from Live at Wembley, the song (Studio version) sucks. But jeez, can they wail at the end.
 
  Anyhoo.....
 
    Level 42's style is dead....so anyone wanting to here something nostalgic or even reminiscent for that matter, only hopes for the further decline of Mark et al.
 
    I vote for something new, inspired, fresh, and non fat.
 
    A ToFu, Soy based lump of seaweed. That's what we want from the boys.
 
 
    Bri


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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 05:50:41 -0500
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