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Topics for Sunday, February 23, 2003

  1 - Experts! - Pete Willis
  2 - SV: Level 42 Digest - Saturday, February 22, 2003 - Lars-Ove Larsson
  3 - The Christopher Cross-Level 42 Connection - Will Greer
  4 - JT - FYI - Mr David F Jacobs
  5 - Re: In agreement...mostly - Sean D. Green
  6 - Cross Of Iron - Andrew Goodwin
  7 - (no subject specified) - Pete Devlin
  8 - re:Lady In The Light Blue - Monique Williams
  9 - Faulty Towers - Monique Williams
  10 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 2/23/2003 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE

1 - Experts!
From: Pete Willis <peteburywillis @ hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:30:50 -0000
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Hi
 
Just wanted to know if 'jt' is a professional musician after yesterdays scathing comments on the current line up?
 
Also what is 'kiddie pop'? Guess it's an insult!!!! Although aimed at the band it's also aimed at anyone who likes that song so thanks for those comments. Speaking of kiddies i'm seeing a match with your comments here! 
 
Why can't people give an opinion without being so condescending etc.
 
I get really hacked off when I go a watch my football team Bury play and there are a group of so called 'suporters' hurling abuse at our own players and manager from the start. They say they are entitled to their opinion and pay their money but imagine what effect that has on the team trying to play to the best of their ability.
By the way, this a team challenging near the top of the Division for promotion and having a skeleton staff of mainly youth players and free transfers! I can't imagine what I'd be hearing if we were having a bad season!!
 
I just hope none of the band bother reading this digest at times. I'm sure they have no problem people expressing why they don't like this song/album or that one for whatever reason but some of the stuff on here must be really demoralising for them. Sure some of them may not be the best musicians in the world but my football team doesn't have the best players in the world either and I go to watch them knowing that and judging them on that basis.
 
I'll say again when I went to the show before Christmas the whole band on that stage gave a great performance and I'd be happy with just a little bit of that ability on anyone of those instruments.
 
Mention of Christopher Cross caught my eye also yesterday as I picked that album up when out in the States with my parents when it came out. Great album and great memories of my trip whenever I play it. Also like the follow up Another Page though not really got into anything of his since those two.
 
Enjoy the music, whatever you choose to listen too!
 
cheers
 
Pete
 
 
www.PETEWILLISMUSIC.co.uk
 
 


2 - SV: Level 42 Digest - Saturday, February 22, 2003
From: Lars-Ove Larsson <lazlar @ home.se>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:31:55 +0100
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Yesterday Matt Rice wrote: 
> Let's see if anyone can connect Christopher Cross to
 > Level 42, either with the above hints or in some other
 > way.
 
Well, if Jay Graydon played on CC's album, and Graydon wrote 'After The Love has Gone' for Earth Wind & Fire, then 'Standing in the Light' is the last piece of that puzzle. 
 
Lars

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3 - The Christopher Cross-Level 42 Connection
From: Will Greer <Will_Greer @ empowersolutions.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:34:11 -0700
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<<<Let's see if anyone can connect Christopher Cross to

Level 42, either with the above hints or in some other

way.>>>

 

OK, get this…

 

I used to be in the University of Texas Jazz program at the same time as Chris Maresh.  Chris plays bass with Eric Johnson now.  Eric is the guitarist in much of Christopher Cross’ early 80’s work. 

 

Now, in order for this to work, we somehow have to connect me to Level 42.  I’m not sure that is credibly possible, but it’s a creative try nonetheless.  I used to sit in with Extreme Heat in Austin to play Hot Water – how’s that.

 

-Will

 

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4 - JT - FYI
From: Mr David F Jacobs <man_of_funk @ hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:43:14 -0000
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>>I don't agree with that, frankly I find all 3 sub-par musicians. For them to get a record deal of any kind would be _far_ harder than getting some cuts on a
>>"Level 42" release. I would imagine all 3 would be pleased as punch to be involved, so I further imagine that the creative stifling is within MK. This may be
>>one thing when you're alone, but when you get together in a group, let alone for many a year, and dont out-put anything, that says alot.
 
JT, I'm sorry but I cannot agree with this kind of comment, which you may find amusing - but I don't.  It's actually quite offensive to me, as I don't feel it is based on anything factual.  The three players you are slagging off are very talented musicians and are more than capable of delivering the product as well as those that have done so before.
 
What we are talking about here is who will contribute to the writing.  Gary was writing for L42 during Guaranteed, so it is possible he will do so again - and I have every confidence in him.  Lyndon has written and played for many people, and is one of the most skilled and varied keyboard players in the business.  He is also a very accomplished drummer, and a top geezer!  I can't comment on Sean apart from what I've seen live, but find him to be technically very good, and I like what how he is playing the stuff.
 
I don't think your viewpoint is valid as it is not based on anything factual.  You seem to vent an obvious dislike of new "members" taking the old seats, as it were.  Granted we would all like to see the old line up play as L42 again, but I think you've got more chance of Tony Blair growing breasts at the moment.
 
If they are prepared to write as L42 good on them, I'll buy the records and go to the gigs.  If it's crap, i'd say so - but I would have more respect than to just slag them off.  Criticism is great if it is constructive as we can all learn from it, but saying people are sub-standard when they are clearly NOT, is just silly. 
 
Regards
 
 
 
DJ
 


5 - Re: In agreement...mostly
From: Sean D. Green <seandgreen @ earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:55:59 -0600
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Dear All,

After reading JT's scratching, I would certainly have to say that I
agree a great deal as to his position about all this. Yes, we're here
because we are all fans of L42, present tense band included, but we must
all face some harsh realities that commonly go with this sort of
dedication.

Perhaps I'll just cast in my two-cents worth here. (Flames are
approved, but only if done with tact, mind you.) :)

I loved the original line-up, no question, and I don't believe they ever
recovered well after RITF for obvious reasons. With the Gould Bros.
gone, the music shifted into a different direction. The hard-core fans
still obliged to purchase and support the group, and a few new ones were
made in the process. 'Nuff said. Once again changing the tire for
Guaranteed, per se, and we saw a completely new transition of the music
once again. Many just decided to accept it in a way, but others were
pissed because the music turned kind of "sour but acceptable because
hey, it IS Level 42 though, isn't it?" [Can't say I'll ever put that
one in my CD player on my trip to the moon though.] Then, many thought
Forever Now was going to be the standard of the "New Level 42," and
things just died from there. Band gone -- RIP.

We're all pretty aware, albeit for different reasons, why L42 broke
apart, and certainly is reason for why they will never "truly" return.
Admittedly, we should just coin it "Mark King's - Level 42." and leave
it at that. Mark's solo album had both good and bad qualities, although
I preferred much of the stuff that was on Trash over the company
release. Now, Mark's beating the old 42 horse again and bringing the
same old music, with new performers, to rekindle the old flame of
die-hard fans. Let us not forget the finances of this endeavor -- the
guy still has to make a living!! Duh.

I can't help but think about Level 42 in the way that "Spinal Tap" were
identified in one segment of the movie. I just remember the part where
they are lounging around in the hotel room -- a gig on the roster for
that night, and they hear one of their old tunes on the radio.
Believing it is going to be props for their gig that night, the
announcer ends with "yeah...that's a great old tune by Spinal Tap among
the 'where are they now?' groups....etc." Bummer. I kind of see this
identified commonly with regard to Level 42. People ask "who's your
favorite band?" With my common answer given, it is often me with
"Who?" In attempts to gain some sort of alliance with the gods of
musical criticism, I remind them of the big US hit (SAY), but usually
have to admit the fact that they 'broke up' long ago. A common reaction
to this is often met with an inkling of shame, and I put my tail between
my legs once again. Yet, I'm a die-hard fan all the same.

Now don't get me wrong. Sure, I'd love to see the band like anyone
else, but I don't expect it'll ever be here in the US, and I'm just not
going to hold my breath. Personally, I wouldn't even bitch about what
they did or did not play, because for me it would just be the experience
of seeing them again. (Saw them the first time on the RITF tour in
Dallas, Texas.) However, for them to come here now is just unbelievably
expensive, far more than most could fathom to think or assume. So don't
count on it -- despite financial support. (Maybe I'll eat my own hat
for saying that, but if so, then I'll be glad to do it in front of an
audience.)

Sometimes I just wish for the things that we all would like to see
happen, and sure, I hope that they do just the same. However, I could
just as well reside in the notion that it will "never happen," if Mark
or whoever says so. At least then, I could just go on with 'life
without L42," and let that be that. I could just look forward to what
Mark was going to do individually, or Mike for that matter, and not
worry about a rumored regathering of threads in order to make an album
or tour.

Stressful indeed.

Take care you all!!

~Sean

6 - Cross Of Iron
From: Andrew Goodwin <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:24:49 +0000
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>6 - Christopher Cross
>From: Matthew Rice < rice @ geog.ucsb.edu>
>
>The album is very tight, with an
>assortment of excellent LA session musicians (Larry
>Carlton, Victor Feldman, Michael McDonald, Jay Graydon,
>Tom Scott, Michael Omartian, Greg Phillanganes) -- at this
>point AG should be perking up and taking notice.

Can't say I ever heard anything by Christopher Cross except Arthur's Theme,
which never interested me enough to go out and pursue him further. The
musicians you list have played on some of the greatest albums ever made, but
also on some of the most perfunctory, so the fact that they appear isn't
necessarily a guarantee of imaginative composition.

Speaking of session men and inconsistency, Michael Franks has been mentioned
here recently. To those who don't know him, at his best his compositions are
musically sublime (alas they're usually lyrically banal, but you can't have
everything), with chord sequences which are as imaginative and unexpected as
Steely Dan - and that's not a compliment I throw around lightly. He even has
a Fagenesque 'I can't actually sing but dammit I will anyway' voice. I was
reminded of his qualities seeing Natalie Cole perform a lovely version of
Tell Me All About It the other night. Unfortunately, at his worst Franks
belongs on The Best Lift Music In The World... Ever!

AG


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7 - (no subject specified)
From: Pete Devlin <tazbad @ madasafish.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:37:31 -0000
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Mikey, I'd go to the States if MK and crew were to go. Love it there, I've
seen mainly West Coast (Does that make me a man?) Anywhere would be cool.
California though, I could dump the wife off with family & drag my cousin
along to show him just what the hell I've been banging on about all this
time - any good venues in Merced ??? Didn't think so!!! Sorry, Win,
Lol...... ;-). Wait till after the next conscript is born though (Sept).
Furthest I've been was Frankfurt Oct 16th 1988 & a silly old sausage I was
for getting lost there..
Cheers!

8 - re:Lady In The Light Blue
From: Monique Williams <mowllms @ yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:11:47 -0800 (PST)
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OKAY DUDESS! You borrowed that killer outfit many
moons ago !Then you told me that it was autograghed
and hanging on your wall!!Now I am offering the new
owner of my outfit an opening offer of 80lbs.{you do
the math}. love and laughter*mo

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9 - Faulty Towers
From: Monique Williams <mowllms @ yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 01:55:24 -0800 (PST)
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Heres a new thread to go onto:Anyone into Faulty
Towers?{Basil,Manuel,Polly,chef and Basils wife} At
the moment im doing a marathon!Totally
Overdose-ing!!GOTTA LOVE IT!!! peace~mo

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10 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 2/23/2003
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 05:50:40 -0500
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