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Monday, March 31, 2003 |
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| Topics for Monday, March 31, 2003 1 - Ditto... - Ian Lovell 2 - My Perspective (for what it's worth) - TPM1024 @ aol.com 3 - less than two cents - Tom Foolery 4 - In my defence - Dan Nesselroth 5 - Phil, Boon, Mike have gone - Get over it!! - David A. Ratcliffe 6 - Gary Husband - RPERSAUD12 @ aol.com 7 - 42 sighting (trying to change the subject matter to something that was once F U N) - Monique Williams 8 - May I ask a favor, please? - Darlene Young 9 - various - Laurence Green 10 - The tosser and the tuor - Travis Baker 11 - The Grapes Of Wrath - Andrew Goodwin 12 - insert title here - jt 13 - sunday - jt 14 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 3/31/2003 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE |
| 1 - Ditto... |
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| From: | Ian Lovell <ian @ lovell-42.freeserve.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:19:24 +0100 |
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Well said, Mrs Pink! | ||
| 2 - My Perspective (for what it's worth) |
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| From: | TPM1024 @ aol.com <TPM1024 @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:11:17 EST |
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| Hello All, I think Eric should post Gary's picture in the upper left corner of the digest for a full week. Gary has been treated pretty rough. Have you ever had someone come to where you work and tell you that you're doing an OK job, BUT, the guy that was here before was soooo much more fantastic than you? In fact, we have decided to memorialize him for all eternity with a big statue in front of the building. I don't think I could stand to listen to it for long. I think Gary's doing a fine job behind the drums and seems to be an easy fellow to get along with. Two very important factors for bandmates. Gary may not have contributed to the creation of much of the Level 42 material, however he is more willing than Phil to play it these days. Phil and Gary likely did not listen to the exact same musical influences while developing their skills. Therefore their drumming styles will differ. Not one good and one bad, just different. You guys ought to try coming to the US where most concerts consist of some moron lip syncing and acting out their crappy videos on a stage with 20 dancers and no band for the low price of $75 a ticket. Trent | ||
| 3 - less than two cents |
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| From: | Tom Foolery <grooveyardtom @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:08:48 -0800 (PST) |
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| Hello still excellent list, Aren't fans funny sometimes? The relationship between artist and audience is always a peculiar one, even in the best of circumstances. Perhaps it's time to listen to Gould - Glenn Gould, that is. Some may be aware that the brilliant pianist quit giving concerts because he thought performing for an audience gave rise to an inequality he was uncomfortable with. Thankfully, many musicians don't agree, and perform anyway, as I hope Gary continues to do with Mark. This level of artist criticism is sad - as I've implied here before, any level of criticism offered by the fan to the artist begins from points of ignorance and assumption that the fan is largely blind to - therefore, criticise the composition, the venue, the clothing if you want, the set list choice, all the superfluous things - but if you are coming from a point of inequality, leave the talent alone. I feel that the community is still here, and will continue, so let's not make it worse by questioning our existence over it. Oh, the humanity! etc. I find that if you can't express your opinion concisely in about three paragraphs, then chances are VERY GOOD you are ranting, and need to stop. so I stop. have a peaceful day then, -TF __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com | ||
| 4 - In my defence |
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| From: | Dan Nesselroth <dnesselroth @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:52:17 -0800 |
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I am well aware that some of you are so blindly loyal to Level 42 that your critical thinking ability suffers. There is a differance between enjoying the music of a group and the psychological crutch building of obsessive fandom in which you respond to criticism the way a bible thumper responds to blasphemy. I cannot argue with brick walls, and there are many of you out there. Some of you have gotten your nose out of joint for any negative comment, and presume to speak of the purpose of the digest which is well beyond your capacity to understand it. This whole thing started when I made the comment that I don't feel like hearing Gary Husband "Brutally banging out Phil's parts". To me, this is what it sounds like and that is the opinion I am entitled to. I had assumed that the band members themselves rarely READ this digest, and that if they did they certainly had grown enough of a backbone through self confidence and experience. It was a MEMBER OF LEVEL 42 who wrote a fan a nasty email while drunk. No wonder I got angry and said the things I did. I could defend myself better by reposting the nasty things he privately emailed me, but I wont. Then he comes in here and insults YOU..yes, you the fans. Especially the fans who are not crazy about the idea of Grupo Mark King. He puts on an immature and exceedingly unprofessional display and the blindly loyal fans recoil in horror as if I had slapped the Pope. READ what he has written. I mean REALLY READ it. His comments read like the diary of an angry 15 year old. In anycase, this is a forum for discussion of things Level 42....this incident seems to fit perfectly! Imagine how boring it would be if it were nothing but "Love it, love it, love it!". This is NOT the Britney Spears fansite. And now you even have a minor band member coming out of the woodwork to show his true colours. The digest has NEVER been better than this. And to the person who posted the desert island question: Pursuit of Accidents would be my choice. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail | ||
| 5 - Phil, Boon, Mike have gone - Get over it!! |
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| From: | David A. Ratcliffe <d.a.ratcliffe @ ntlworld.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:17:46 +0100 |
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| I'm Looking forward to seeing Level 42 in concert at the Lowry Centre on the 9th of November because I want to hear all the old Level 42 songs played live by excellent musicians, and I count Garry Husband as one of them. So what, if it's only Level 10 1/2, or since Garry was a member of level 42 for as long as Phil, Level 21. It's all about the music and the live experience. If you want the first level 42 line up, listen to your old cd/lps How many people can say, they still have all the friends they had twenty odd years ago. So groups break up, get back together again, change personnel over time, NOTHING STAYS THE SAME, get over it! That's life. I dedicate this email on Mothers Day to the memory of my Mother who died a few weeks ago. The death of a loved one makes everything else pale into insignificance. | ||
| 6 - Gary Husband |
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| From: | RPERSAUD12 @ aol.com <RPERSAUD12 @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:36:21 EST |
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| All, I have been a Level 42 fan for many a year and I am basically sickened to the stomach with the sick and nasty comments pointed in the direction of Gary Husband. I will be cancelling my subscription to this digest shortly as I think that there are some very narrow minded people out there, who belong to this digest. I know who most of them are, and I personally have had the unfortunate pleasure of meeting some of them at the live shows. Does anyone with a brain realise what makes a good musician? If so, they would be thankful that such a talented musician as Gary, would have been asked on many occasion by MK to join Level 42. I have seen Gary in the Level 42 line-up and with other line-ups through out the years and to me personally the following sums up the talents of Gary Husband - AWESOME. So to people who dislike him and wish him bad, this is to you! BOLLOCKS TO YOU ALL! Regards Raymond | ||
| 7 - 42 sighting (trying to change the subject matter to something that was once F U N) |
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| From: | Monique Williams <mowllms @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:38:35 -0800 (PST) |
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| Night before last, I watched an old episode of the X-files. Mulder`s old apartment # was 42. Considering the current climate of the Digest and the current climate in the World lately, I thought i`d take us back to something we used to LIKE to trivially talk about. Okay Nightfly, this is where you enter (stage Left) and talk about my running sentences or lack of punctuation...^^^! Don`t let me down guys~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~p e a c e i n t h i s l o v e f i l l e d t i m e,mo __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com | ||
| 8 - May I ask a favor, please? |
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| From: | Darlene Young <lonelycozy @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:08:31 -0800 |
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| I have been a fan of Level 42 since 1981. I am subscribed to both the Digest and the Webdigest. I try to contribute as much as I can whenever a subject strikes some interest to me. But lately, all this bickering on here has made me have second thoughts to remaining a subscriber. I thought that we all have a right to our own opinions, and even though some have gotten out of hand lately, I enjoyed the dialogue. But might I ask that there be some sort of curb on the cussing that's been going on? Please, I'm not trying to be holier than thou, just that my kid reads this because she is a fan of Level 42, and I really don't want her to be exposed to the language that is so frequently used. Is there a possibility that it can be toned down abit? Please? thanks lc Deedee _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus | ||
| 9 - various |
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| From: | Laurence Green <laurence.green @ scottwilson.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:56:49 +0100 |
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| Re lyrics and bad relationships. I think if you look through the songs guilty of that - there's every chance it's Boon who penned them. This digest is suffering from a serious bout of sycophancy. If I personally thought Gary's contribution to Level 42 was poor (which I don't) then why on earth, if that was my sincerely held view, should I not share that with other fans here? If I though Boon was a rubbish guitarist and thank goodness when Alan Murphy replaced him - what would be wrong in saying that? As long as there have been no personal insults banded around, if Dan Nesslewroth thinks Gary's no-good, I'd like to stand up and defend his right to say that - even though I don't agree with it. But with all this adulation and ego polishing going on, I'm on a serious hunt for the sick bag. L()Z Visit our web site at www.scottwilson.com Privilege and Confidentiality Notice. This e-mail and any attachments to it are intended only for the party to whom they are addressed. They may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete any digital copies and destroy any paper copies. Thank you. Scott Wilson Kirkpatrick & Co Ltd Registered in London: No. 880328 Registered office: Scott House, Basing View, Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG21 4JG. UK. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. | ||
| 10 - The tosser and the tuor |
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| From: | Travis Baker <t.baker @ lancsmail.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:28:48 +0100 |
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| that Dan is sure a tosser!!!! But now to busines, i'm sure glad to see that the band is tuoring again!!!! i only Wish that i could get to see them (ther'es not a Way that i can aford the ticket i think) but lets face it, the boys that we love and respect so much are backl on the road again and back in business!!! long live Level 42! If theyv'e produced so much good music over that past 20 years, imagine whats in store for us fans!!!!! Trav -------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email address at http://www.lancsmail.com/ | ||
| 11 - The Grapes Of Wrath |
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| From: | Andrew Goodwin <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:55:39 +0100 |
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| Well goodness me, hasn't it all got heated round here lately? Who'd have thought a band which will form surely no more than a minuscule footnote to the history of music could inspire such wrath? Way back when before this all got out of hand, Dan had a point which he was entitled to make. Unfortunately repeating it ad nauseam like an increasingly rabid dog tends to strain the sympathy of even the strongest advocates of free speech. And descending to the level of calling Gary a 'washed up, third rate, stand in drummer' is not only needlessly insulting but, by my reckoning, wrong on three counts. You were right about him being a drummer though, so well done on that part. As for Gary's response, maybe he'd have done better to sober up and then edit it down a little to remove some of the more bizarre moments. (Exactly who isn't supposed to line up for a chat after gigs? Anybody? Why would people who don't rate him want to chat with him? Or is he anticipating a slew of people wearing 'Level 42 1980 – 1987 RIP' T shirts?) But on balance, good luck to him. If people think they can spew out all kinds of ill-informed diatribes without any recourse, let them think again. >2 - subject >From: Colin Gupta <thegoop @ sympatico.ca> > >By the way, there was another singer on Can't Buy A Thrill, (at least >Dirty Work) I think in addition to Fagen. David Palmer, if memory serves me right. Jack Bauer did backing vocals. Incidentally, days ago some buffoon claimed that Kamakiriad was basically a Steely Dan album in all but name. At some point I will track down this individual and put them right. >4 - ultimate tour >From: Stephen.Whyte @ lpc.tv <Stephen.Whyte @ lpc.tv> > >I noticed on Ticketmaster that this tour is being labelled "The Ultimate >Tour." What on earth does this mean? Well taking it literally, the final tour. Get your tickets now folks, it's a farewell tour! You heard it here first! >If so, then surely it's just gonna be another GH tour. I'm confused. Another Gary Husband tour? Hold on a second while I call Dan Nesselroth. >ps: And I noticed it's 30 sheets a ticket for the Hammersmith Odeon - sorry, I mean Apollo. A bit steep, don't you think? In the sense that The Lighthouse Family are 'a bit' shite, yes. >13 - Sigh, Okay, this is a LONG one >From: Dan Nesselroth <dnesselroth @ hotmail.com> > >I definately wrote some harsh words in here. I am guilty of that, but at >the heart of it all Gary Husband, by responding as he has to me and on this >digest, may have isolated some fans and has displayed poor career >judgement. Do you think? I think precisely the opposite. The only people he’s going to have isolated are people who were already biased against him anyway. I would hazard a guess that plenty of people feel distinctly more sympathetic towards him than they ever did before. >I think Nick Rhodes of Duran Duran said it best Invoking the spirit of keyboards 'wizard' Nick 'Two Fingers' Rhodes doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your judgement Dan. As for listening to feedback from fan sites, heaven help us when musicians start following that trend. The music industry's already spiralling inwards without more artists only delivering what the consumers think they want. >SURE, AND HE MIGHT LIKE THAT HE CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO DO, UNLIKE PHIL. Dan, please. Come on now. >YOU ARE NOT KIDDING ANYONE, IMPLYING THAT YOU ARE IN IT ONLY FOR FUN. YOU >MIGHT BE HAVING FUN, BUT IT IS STEADY WORK AND YOU ARE A FREELANCE DRUMMER. I don't know what you were reading, but what I read conceded exactly that. Quote from Gary: "I am a working musician and outside of my own solo endeavours I take on "working musician work", because that's what I do!!" If that isn't saying I'll take the work where it presents itself, I don't know what is. I thought it was admirable that Gary DIDN'T try and make any claims for the current line-up as an artistically fulfilling venture. He just said it is what it is, take it or leave it. And he's spot on. This whole 'the current band are besmirching the name of former greats' thread is getting rather ludicrous. Even the estimable Laurence Green seems to be getting things out of proportion, and where Level 42 are concerned he LIVES out of proportion. Let's try and get this in perspective hey chaps? AG _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 | ||
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:08:05 -0800 (PST) |
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| (Mdear) > . No-one in the current > line up (and that includes Mark) put so much into > their performance nd make > their mark on the show. Most certainly. >and I laways found him polite, > welcoming and always ready to > have a reasonable discussion. Again, most certainly. (Colin) >Wasn't Neil Pert the original drummer > on all Rush albums? I think someone suggested he > came on board later. That was me, no, NP was not the original. John Rutsey was with them and recorded the first (self-titled) album, left shortly after (with some illnes, I think). NP came in shortly after (~1974). (Stephen.Whyte) > I noticed on Ticketmaster that this tour is being > labelled "The Ultimate > Tour." What on earth does this mean? > Ultimate is _usualy_ meant as "last". But it has been revamped to kinda mean 'best'. Either way, a sorry choice. Although more marketable than The Nothing New Tour! (Don) >Well, I hope you stupid bastards are > happy now. What assholes you are! Don, why is this plural? (ALLAN ROBERTSON) > *** JT - I HAVE DISAGREED WITH WHAT U HAVE SAID IN > THE PAST BUT U ARE > RIGHT HERE ok, cool. Although I was right in the past, you just disagreed. ;P (Dan Nesselroth) >Gary Husband, by responding as he > has to me and on this > digest, may have isolated some fans and has > displayed poor career judgement. I see no poor judgement here. Who knows, kid; he may have gained some fans... >I responded, > and posted his email in here...but it was ALREADY > published on his website > for public consumption. Which he had more right to do than you in taking his words and submitting them elsewhere. > I am sure Mark would pull in your > leash really fast. Unneeded and silly comment. MK is the one more-so on a leash (albeit, self-made). You seem to think that GH _needs_ the L42 gig. You are very wrong. >If they [fans] don't > like something, they are probably right. a large stretch of the word "probably". Mozart had to rework his music for the audience. Is this tapering down of genius "right". The answer is simple: phuck no. >I cannot think of something Level > 42 has done which is quite as controversial as Marks > application of the name > Level 42 to this current band. What about The Mudshark Incident?!?!?! Oh wait, wrong band.... > and let Mark handle the fan-opinion side of things. hah! > Gary wrote me this morning. The tone of it reminds > me of an angry teenager > who storms out of the room. Give the guy a break, reaction is that. reaction. Sometimes we regret our actions. But sometimes they are needed. Dan, All of the above stuff you wrote was half-decently written, and I appreciate that you try to articulate yourself in a resonable manner. But then reading the comments that you INSERTED to GH's post, I see you splitting personality and show-boating, basically, 100% nonsense. SO I refrain from wasting all our times from commenting. You do seem to have a distorted persepctive, though. I'd have to say, bascially, GH is as much a 'leader' in this band than MK. More than likely tour dates are made AROUND GH, who, of course, has other (various) gigs. Who knows, the reason this current band exists, I feel (although have no informed opinion) has a great deal to do with the relationship between MK and GH. (Andrea Smith) > Don't get me wrong, I'm not an overly sentimental > person and I love a heartbreaking love song as much > as the next person, but am I the only person that's > noticed this? "I dont know why i love you like I do but baby I love you you know I always will" (something like that) is more in 1 song than anyone should write in a career. Bring on the bitter and hatred!!! ;) j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com | ||
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:23:43 -0800 (PST) |
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| > (Bruceowens) >(I like Neal's [Peart's] playing > for what it is, but can he play Jazz? The two Burning For Buddy (that's as in Buddy Rich) prove that he is a fair jazz player (although has a bit of trouble 'swinging'). If you are a drummer and do not own these CDs/videos: go get them. (Don) > Personally, I am not interested in a band that only > panders to the audience in the creation of its > material. I agree with you Which is why L42 sank downhill, striving for that World Machine suck-sess. > A drummers role in any musical situation is to > simply, make time live and > breathe. If you can't fulfil that simple task, then > you don't get the gig. yeah, I once heard Lenny White say (something very close to), 'any drummer keeping the beat/time is a "good" drummer'. I do think there's a bit more to it, but that is the gist (jist?) of it...but I'll still leave you with a Miles Davis quote: "Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." Which is why GH is the only 'mf-er' in this band I respect, cuz MK sits on the note, and that's it. GH gives it 'attitude'. j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com | ||
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