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Topics for Monday, June 23, 2003

    1.  yesterday evening - Norman van den Wildenberg
    2.  Mike Lindup Aussie CD - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Jeppesen?=
    3.  I'll Take "The Point" for $500 Alex - Colin Gupta
    4.  der Samstag - jt
    5.  der Sonntag - jt
    6.  More non-Level content - DonZipf @ aol.com
    7.  404 message for Level41.com - David A. Ratcliffe
    8.  WARNING: this post contains the word 'bollocks' - mikethepom
    9.  + WEB DIGEST SUMMARY - Level 42 Digest
    10.  + MARKETPLACE - Level 42 Digest

1.  yesterday evening
From: Norman van den Wildenberg <express @ hetnet.nl>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:50:35 +0200
[top]
Hi all,

yesterday's evening I was out with a couple of friends, and in the pub we
were played a great rock band: Takkedak
it took me about a minute to heat what a great bassplayer they had, and
what a supprise: it was an old fellow digester: Matthieu Cleijne

Matthieu, if you subscribed again, and read this: it was superb!!

Norman vd Wildenberg
norman @ xpress-mm.com
www.xpress-mm.tk
www.dalata.zzn.com
www.level42info.com
www.estherteugels.tk
www.francoshea.com
www.slov.nl
www.crazybert.tk
www.ernestranglin.com
www.lyricsweb.tk
www.vontherocks.tk

2.  Mike Lindup Aussie CD
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Jeppesen?= <Bjorn42 @ level42.dk>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:21:43 +0200
[top]
I find it very strange that this CD was sold for $142.50 on Ebay the other day. I didn't pay that much for mine at all. The only difference to the UK Polydor CD is the picture on the CD and that the sleeve is folded in another way. $142 is too much to pay for this one.
 
Cheers Bjorn.
 
 
 

 

The Danish Way



Visit my website!
Mail Bjørn
 
 

 
 
 

 


3.  I'll Take "The Point" for $500 Alex
From: Colin Gupta <thegoop @ sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:20:37 -0500
[top]
Don, given you made the following statement in respect of 2AN and EMG, it, taken literally, is not entirely accurate. 
 
"The last album was saved by great basslines from Tom Barney, but now he's gone too, replaced by Walter Becker who decided after all these years to go back to being the bass player."
 
I did not know who played bass on all the tracks, so I looked it up and reported back for our discussion.  While I agree that tracks 1, 8 & 9 have the most intriguing "wizard" like bass, the Becker tracks are awesome too. It's the "taste" vs "wizardry" thing surfacing again. To me, tracks 1, 8 & 9, do not at all "save" the album; they certainly contribute to it's brilliance. 
 
So, the point is, Tom was not "replaced" by Walter.  The point is, Tom did not "save" the last album.  The point is Walter did not "go back to being the bass player".  That, Don, is my point.
 
"Sure, it's a good album, but it doesn't rank with the others I've just mentioned, and the main reason is the lack of top-drawer talent in the bass and drum departments."
 
I find it difficult to compare SD albums to each other due to the differing styles of music and the eras they encompass. It's not quite as simple as comparing AC/DC before and after Bon Scott, or Van Halen before and after David Lee Roth. I have difficulty in establishing a basis for comparison of Pretzel Logic and Everything Must Go, except to say they are both excellent. 
 
Maybe for you, EMG is to Steely Dan what Guaranteed is to Level 42.
 
"...nothing beats the Chicago-like horn section in Caves of Altamira or the feel of Haitian Divorce. Or how about the great gospel-like background vocals of The Fez and The Royal Scam?"
 
I too love the horn arrangements on this album, which to me, set it apart from all the other rock of the ages. I really enjoy every song on album.  The guitars, keys, horns drums and bass are amazing, not to mention the lyrics. I'd have to agree, this is a masterpiece. I love the bass, piano and tambourine groove of Sign In Stranger.  "Turn up the Eagles the neighbors are listening."  The guitar on Don't Take Me Alive is so tasty.  Green Earrings is another fav with its powerful drums.  I also have to agree about that piano bit in Black Cow.
 
"...but if someone on here wants to sound off about similar posts like the rubbish he sometimes posts then they should have the freedom to do so."  And of course they do. I think though, that many thought the criticisms brought on Andrew where inaccurate, unnecessarily personal, hypocritical, empty,  etc.
 
Many of the responses where exactly what I was thinking, but I didn't want to offend or upset anyone. I am glad that people spoke up.
 
So is anyone ever going to post a biopsy of a current Level 42 gig for those of us who cannot make it to one? I'd like to know what others thought of the musicianship, the sound, the atmosphere (was it like an 80's Level 42 gig). How are Mark's vocals? Does Gary duplicate Phil or play his own interpretation? Is it mostly a younger crowd, or are there a lot of "mature" fans from the 80's?
 
Sorry, I think I've "wasted" enough of my life for one day, communicating with you lot.
 
Colin 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


4.  der Samstag
From: jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
[top]
- Jackson, Lolita
>I basically lived Steely Dan for a
> year and a half as the lead singer of a
> Steely Dan cover band.

That’s cool, Lolita. I really dig covers with gender
switched vocals. I, at one time( back when playing
music was almost enjoyable), had our own L42’s “True
Believers” in the setlist, with female vocals.

-Colin Gupta
Nice post, Colin.
I think the social aspects of the gig are usually
mentioned of late because the setlist if continually
the same, and basically note-for-note (although GH is
a deviator, thankfully) with little to no changes from
the recordings (aside from) the now established
add-ons to, say, SAY.
As you’ve seen pictures (I imagine), MK is using a
very tacky “princess” bass, commercialism at it’s
finest, which will probably be for sale in stores at
some point. I think Trace Elliot is still the amp of
choice, although others follow this stuff far betta
than I. Don Z may have the answers, as he’ll probably
buy some more stuff off of MK (he’s loaded! Money
wise, booze, that’s a different story).

>JT, you slay me.

Sorry, I was simply trying to maim.

-Tom Foolery
>and Friesen and JT are into pvc -

(Blushing)...damn, secrets out, AF.

-Bilal42 @ aol.com
> Fact, Snoop keeps singing 'Theres Something About
> You' in his latest single
> Mark is much cooler though

Cooler, like how? Compare _any_ Snoop interview with
the whole spectrum of Mk interviews (or music videos
vs. music videos). Snoop, hands down.

-TPM1024 @ aol.com
>JT has responded to my posts more than
> anyone. He is frightengly quick with a comeback.

Just too much work. But t’anks for the nice words.

> Norman van den Wildenberg
> Hey does anyone know which version of
> changes it is that's on sale on mike
> lindups site??

I ferget, but someone one here did recently buy it,
maybe they’ll email you (the person that was keeping
the packing slip filled out by ML...)

j(ay)



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5.  der Sonntag
From: jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:35:10 -0700 (PDT)
[top]
-louie white
>Did anyone see that someone paid $142.50 for a mike
> lindup changes cd. Is anyone going to say something?

Um, (dramatic mode on), oh my golly, that’s 189.09 in
Swiss Francs!!!

-Pete Willis
well, well. Pete, while I appreciate you’ve got a
thing for me (I too have had crushes…), it would be
kinda cool if you, as they say, aired your laundry in
private. But as I have a 2-hour waiting period here at
work, let’s go over some life lessons…(apolgies to
those that have already had their daily fill of me,
feel free to save for later, or simply scroll-off)

1) I’m not sure how Eric came to my “defence”, as I
have merely a balcony and no yard. (Yes, it’s low to
knock ones spelling, and surely I run afoul on
occasion, but when one is _really_ trying to flex some
miniscule muscles, one should _really_ try to get
their poop together, no?)
If you meant my “defense” he merely did nothing of the
kind. He retorted to my askew humour. That is all.
(maybe you were hoping he’d spank me; I’m not certain
wherein your fetish with me runs.)
2) As stated before, anything I write in which you
“haven’t a clue” about, well, really, this is not a
proud thing to say about yourself. I am not running
the gamut of esoteric references, and I leave
Descartes out of it. Essentially a mailing list for an
ok pop band; I whittle my posts to fit within that
realm.

>I think jt's critisism of Mark King has been just
silly comments which are way
> over the top and certainly not constructive
critisism.

So why not defend them? Why not Mark defend them? Or
someone here that has had more run-ins with Mark than
I?
While sometimes what I say, or comment, about MK is
speculation (and it usually has “consecutive” form to
it), any damn person with a fair grasp of
people/humanity can see that there is a certain
pattern going on. And it’s criticism. But no, I’m not
up for “winding people up”
(I’m losing track of the numbering, so that will go to
the wayside)

Pete, dear. For the second time you quote me as saying
the Beatles are/were “talentless”. I never said such a
thing. (someone, a few days after my initial post came
up with that; sorry, I don’t recall the name.) I did,
however say that they are “overrated”, which is really
just a silly thing (albeit, true), and as I
constructively stated when I wrote that, I went into a
bit of diatribe about the word “overrated”, and then I
gave some of my beliefs as the to the reasoning behind
it; television being the big factor (just as, say, JFK
is a fantastically “overrated” President, thank you
television; this is all just historic fact, but feel
free to sideswipe it.)
And even if I (or anyone else) _did_ post such a
comment, is it no more outlandish/uninformed than,
“Level 42 is the Best Band EVER!!”, or “Mark King is
the Best bass player in the world!!!”? Comments of
which we have all seen more than a few times.
And why in Nietzsche’s name would you expect Eric to
“pass comment” on that, let alone anything/everything
written here? You’re a strange bird…

>Those posts [apparently the Beatles and slander of
MK] deserved my postings on here.

And you came up empty. And after a few months you
actually seem to be moving backwards. Keep working at
it.

> to want to be everybodys 'friend' you seem to be
> very selective in the people you do pick on but
> that's your perogative. jt may be your best buddy

Eric is not my “friend” (he doesn’t even like me,
aside from the one night stand), but when one works
all days and gains a certain level of intelligence,
one manages to joke around about things. That’s all
we’re doing, mate. This is a mailing list for a pop
band, not some faction trying to pull the wool over
your eyes or box you out of some special club.

> but if someone on here wants to sound off about
> similar posts like the rubbish he sometimes posts
> then they should have the freedom to do so.

“freedom” was not taken away. The post went though,
no? (a dictionary will help you these matters…)

> I concede though that he is now one of the main
> contributors to this digest whereas I rarely get the
> chance.

Um, while I may have a physical resemblance to the one
many call “jesus”, I by no means have ‘miraculous’
powers that let me interfere with your typing
something, nor in hitting the “send” icon. Thanks for
the credit, but your fixation is quite bizarre.
As for workload restricting you, I can’t really feel
empathy in the arena of hours worked (I haven’t had a
full day off in months; apparently the “re” in front
of “research” is there for a reason), and if it’s all
bottled up within you, obviously affecting you, maybe
shorten that lunch and pound the keyboard for one day.


>Great ammo for any future
> postings where he slams the next pop group!!

[onto AG now]. You seem to think debate, or
conversation is battle oriented. Curious…

Pete, yes, the Steely Dan convo was/is pretty good.
Sadly we are dealing with a band (l42) that while big
news is seemingly around, little is being discussed.
As others, I highly recommend you check out at least
the old stuff. But as you say, it didn’t quite grab
you at first, and while, yes, occasionally things need
a few listenings (Mahler, maybe, for eg), I do
understand the theory behind, ‘yeah it may be great
soup, and yeah there may be 3 canolini beans in there,
but I don’t want to have to search for them, bring me
a pizza (or the head of Alfredo Garcia)’. ["clue":
that was a movie reference]

Pete, I’d be happy to settle any ‘issues’ you have via
private email; I’m only slightly a bastard when you
get to know me….


- DonZipf @ aol.com
> And your point is...?

Man, I just love seeing Don all worked up! ;) (a
smiley for those that don’t know what humour is)

>[Becker on Rainey]If he still lived in New York, he'd
probably
> still be doing our records."

Has the invention known as the airplane not made it to
wherever CR _is_ living?
I agree DZ, to me the old SD stuff is…different. Kinda
magical. I would have felt a bit more confident in the
music if they just left the past alone and called
themselves Fagen/Becker (ala Page/Plant w/o JPJ and
(obviously) JB didn't, thankfully, use the LZ
moniker). Or another dildo reference, or something.
But this just a personal feeling.

Pardon the simple abuse of semi-colons herein,
j(ay)



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6.  More non-Level content
From: DonZipf @ aol.com <DonZipf @ aol.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:33:01 EDT
[top]
Pete Willis wrote:
> Also his statement of the Beatles being talentless etc. was one of the most stupid
> postings ever

Oh, slagging The Beatles off is just a popular baiting ploy around here.  Anyone who would accuse The Beatles of being talentless either is just tossing bombs or hasn't a clue who they are.

In fact, I've spent the past couple of evenings watching the Anthology documentary series on DVD.  If anyone doubts the magnitude of The Beatles' talent, they should watch the first couple of episodes, and see for themselves just how the lads blew past everyone else on the scene back then.  They really were something new and different, and their live performances were pretty impressive!

> I have put on Nightfly a time or two due to AG's recommendation and enjoyed it to a
> point but again it hasn't been an album I keep reaching for. Maybe its' a grower, and
> deserves a few more plays?

Pete, try Kamakiriad instead, which I believe is more likely to satisfy the average Level 42 fan.  They're both fantastic albums, of course, but where The Nightfly is jazzier, Kamakiriad is funkier--plus it has the advantage of being a long-form work (a "concept" album), which makes it more interesting, imho.

Z.



7.  404 message for Level41.com
From: David A. Ratcliffe <d.a.ratcliffe @ ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:26:57 +0100
[top]
I have been trying to access the Level 42 web site for nearly 24 hours but
get the HTTP 404 Not Found Message.
Has anybody else had this problem or entered the site ok?

8.  WARNING: this post contains the word 'bollocks'
From: mikethepom <mikethepom @ yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
[top]
Learned Levelologists ...

... I've been out of the loop for a while and frankly
can't be arsed reading the last 30 Digests in my Inbox
... although I looked at the last three or four and
felt as though I was interrupting an argument! In the
words of Ric from The Young Ones: "Guys, look at us,
fighting, bickering, we never used to be like this..."
(No complaints please, I'm paraphrasing).

I just watched Dreams & Visions for the first time
after realising I could play it on my laptop. Apart
from the quality being a bit dodgy, I loved it. The
clip for My Father's Shoes gets me right here. On
Weave Your Spell and Bitter Moon, it says 'director
unknown' and I was curious as to why that is ...
anyone know? I was also reminded of our Mark's
reluctance to play his bass during video shoots.

And do I smell a new Level 42 album in the air? Can
someone enlighten mr as to whether this is kosher or
complete bollocks?

Anyone know if this German 'Ohne Filter' Mark King DVD
is worth getting? Can I play it in Australia? If my
German exchange student puts it on it should work,
right?

More BIG FAT apologies to Win and Loz - I'm really
sorry for the delay guys - I have to leave my house in
a hurry because the landlord has decided to reclaim it
and have had to pack everything up. The 'goods' are
here but in a box. I'll send them when I'm in the new
place next week, promise. This is most unlike me, as
others on the 'gest I've sent stuff to will attest.

Hands up who thinks Mark should tour Australia. He can
stay at my new place. And maybe he can tune my bass
while he's here.

Did you hear about the guy who was run over by a steam
train? He was chuffed to bits.

Thanks for listening ... fantastic crowd.

Cheers ~ Mike (Sydney City Milkman)

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9.  + WEB DIGEST SUMMARY
From: Level 42 Digest <level42-admin @ worldmachine.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:30:07 -0400
[top]

Don't miss a Level beat! The following is a list of messages posted to the Level 42 WEB Digest over the last day (not including off-topic and admin boards). Click on a heading to get the full content for any board or topic. Questions about this mailing list related service? Email us at level42-admin @ worldmachine . com. Have fun!


 Official Website Announcements
       1 new -- 2003 Ultimate Tour announced.
  by transferfunction
       2 new -- level42.com
  by PH, Bjorn42
 General Discussion
       1 new -- A Horse Called Love Games
  by dgezza
       3 new -- Best Level 42 track starting with the letter "T" 1
  by Ronald, Dan James, mtm_01
       1 new -- Best Level 42 track starting with the letter "T" 2
  by Ronald
       2 new -- Level42.com offline?
  by Feel the Width, Bjorn42
       1 new -- Mark King  vs  Victor Wooten  !!
  by powel
       2 new -- PLEASE READ...STATEMENT FROM GARY HUSBAND.
  by kamshaftreesycup, Loz
       5 new -- Play Me (use of French)
  by mini_cooper, Lisa_D, Stevie_Jay
       2 new -- The Ultimate Tour
  by Stevie_Jay, Lisa_D
       3 new -- Wally Badarou's 1st album Back to scales to-night
  by Robbie, Bjorn42, des
 International Levelfests
       1 new -- Level Forty Woo-Hoo!
  by KBproto5
 Buy, Sell & Trade
       1 new -- 1984 lives wanted
  by toetsenman
       1 new -- Mark King: Influences US CD
  by Bjorn42
       1 new -- Wanted: Hammersmith Odeon Dec '90 MP3/CD
  by dgezza
       1 new -- Who wand's to trade Bootlegs ?????
  by Christoph
       1 new -- level 42 live @ the town & country club
  by dgezza
 Fansite Announcements
       2 new -- MORE DELEGATION TRACKS featuring Mark King!
  by Robbie
 Musicians' Lounge
       1 new -- EBS!
  by P-funk
       1 new -- Status Question??
  by P-funk

Author Summary

4 messages:
     Bjorn42
3 messages:
     Lisa_D, Stevie_Jay, Robbie, dgezza
2 messages:
     P-funk, Ronald
1 messages:
     kamshaftreesycup, des, mtm_01, Christoph, transferfunction, powel, KBproto5, Loz, toetsenman, Dan James, Feel the Width, mini_cooper, PH

10.  + MARKETPLACE
From: Level 42 Digest <level42-admin @ worldmachine.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:48:04 -0400
[top]

Welcome to the Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE! Shopping for Level 42 items on the net? Let the Level 42 Digest be your sales associate! By scanning and publishing each day's sale items from various sources, the Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE helps keep you tuned in to what's available. As always, if you have any suggestions for improvements or additional content, please email us at level42-admin @ worldmachine . com. Happy shopping! :)

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Wally Badarou solo

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Mark King solo


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