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Monday, June 16, 2003 |
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| Topics for Monday, June 16, 2003 1. Casio Dan - Tom Foolery 2. The New Dan - Matthew Rice 3. Sherwood Forest - keith ashley 4. The Big Bus - Andrew Goodwin 5. on the level - Veen vd, Willem 6. + WEB DIGEST SUMMARY - Level 42 Digest 7. + MARKETPLACE - Level 42 Digest |
| 1. Casio Dan |
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| From: | Tom Foolery <grooveyardtom @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 15 Jun 2003 08:18:46 -0700 (PDT) |
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| Happy Father's Day, it's my first one!!! > And listen to Tom > Barney's work on Two Against Nature--if that ain't > showy bass wizardry, I don't know what is! this is blasphemy and an affront to all things Mark King. Time for jihad, or a fatwa at the very least. > I've begun > calling EMG "the Casio album", because the bass and > drums remind me of the canned auto-accompaniment > feature in Casio keyboards. ;o) I have not heard EMG, but truly this is for me at least the Achillies Paradox of Steely Dan - Great musicians? yes! Interesting ambiguous song subjectry? Yes! Innovative chord progressions? Yes! Better than 90% of the other music out there? Yes!!! All the sterility that a zillion dollar studio budget can deliver? Yes! And, some contemptuously unimaginative song endings? Yes - let's just allow the drum machine to run on a while then quit it . . . you know there are songs from Kamikyriad on that do this. How about a real ending? OK, also Mr. Fagen sometimes comes off through his lyrics as a bit of a elderly perv. Forgive me, but what is "Gaslighting Abbie" about? Let alone "Cousin Dupree," and others . . . OK, I like Level 42 better, and I'm jumping into nuclear shelter in my backyard to await the fallout. - Tom I can't do better: "http:www.emeraldsoul.com" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com | ||
| 2. The New Dan |
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| From: | Matthew Rice <rice @ geog.ucsb.edu> |
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| Date: | Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:10:53 -0700 (PDT) |
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>> But SD have never been about bass wizardry or extravagently overt >> instrumental showmanship. They probably (and rightly) would consider >> this kind of showmanship as distasteful and tacky. > Say what? Give Aja a listen. That album is famous for its expert > musicianship, which is played down quite a bit on this new album. Chuck > Rainey is considered one the world's greatest bass wizards, mostly due to > his work on Aja, and in fact Walter Becker states in the current issue of > Bass Player magazine that Chuck would still be doing their albums if he > still lived in NYC. And listen to Tom Barney's work on Two Against > Nature--if that ain't showy bass wizardry, I don't know what is! Hey Don, let's keep this going. Between you, I, AG, and others we can single-handedly transmogrify the Level 42 digest into Burrough's own. Now on the my rebuttal: Rainey's playing on Aja is tasteful and subtle. Barney's is tasteful as well on 2VN. It's quite a stretch to place either in the category I was describing, full of the dregs of heavy metal and rock and roll such as Eddie Van Halen -- guys who have chops but not restraint and the kind of musical prudence I find attractive. Wayne Shorter probably said it best when he described Miles Davis's advice to him. He said that Miles told him "don't give away too much" (Making of Aja DVD). Fagen and Becker had to negotiate with Rainey over the slapping in 'Peg', because they wanted it to be subtle. They knew he could cook, but they have always wanted subtlety. Check out the Aja DVD for a nice discussion of the matter. Fagen and Becker have always been about subtlety and clevel wit. In fact, Fagen and Becker often mention embarassment about some of their earlier work, which was much more overt and in your face, lacking the subtle craft in Aja and Gaucho. Any player who records and tours with the Dan (Larry Carlton included) knows the contraints they are expected to work under. Donald and Walter consistently get the best performances out of the best musicians in Rock and Roll, because they have the utmost respect of their peers and they have a long history of extremely successful songwriting and artful arranging, the likes of which place them in a unique category of their own. I don't doubt that you find EMG hard to stomach for some reason, but in my opinion EMG is the same story as Aja, Gaucho, and 2VN -- a successful, critically acclaimed album that will find it's rightful place in Rock and Roll History. The entire Steely Dan fan community is buzzing with excitement over the album (and they are a critical bunch to say the least -- JT and Nesselroth would fit right in). It's almost stupifying to hear a guy -- who I know has good taste in music and chops to spare -- giving such a great album such an unfairly cursory appraisal. Two weeks from now (and more listening), AG and I expect a complete and formal apology. :) Now back to Level 42 . . . --------------------------------------- Matt Rice, Graduate Student Geography Department University of California, Santa Barbara rice @ geog.ucsb.edu ---------------------------------------- | ||
| 3. Sherwood Forest |
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| From: | keith ashley <keith_stuart2 @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:12:11 +0000 |
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| So who out of the digest was at the Sherwood Forest gig? I did notice some guy near me on the front row with a Level 42 Digest shirt on. I got chatting to a girl who had come over from America just to see Level 42 play live.i could rant on for ages about the gig it was filled with top class Level fans who you could just tell the'd been to many many shows before. There was a nice moment when we all started singing happy birthday to Gary Husband. Anybody else at Sherwood saturday night? (Anyone thinking of re-quoting anything i've put and trashing it, their response is not welcome or clever.That includes you smart arse's who take the piss out of peoples grammar or for keeping the caps keys on,arrogance is not attractive and it doesnt make you right). Sorry it had to be said. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband | ||
| 4. The Big Bus |
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| From: | Andrew Goodwin <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:40:55 +0100 |
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| >2. More Dan Debate >From: DonZipf @ aol.com < DonZipf @ aol.com> > >Ok, Andrew, I respect your opinion on all matters Dan. But, please, treat >us to some specifics as to why you think so. But nebulous vagueness is this year's black. I'll happily go into specifics of why I think it's a great album when a) time permits and b) I've dealt with the irony that a Level 42 greatest hits tour of no interest to me passed a short bus ride away from here last November, and yet Steely Dan have opted to stay home this summer. AG _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband | ||
| 5. on the level |
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| From: | Veen vd, Willem <Willem.vd.Veen @ gazdefrance.nl> |
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| Date: | Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:54:19 +0200 |
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Dean
wrote"I've had 2 copies of this cd now - and both of them have become
virtually
unplayable due to distortion and crackle on certain tracks" I checled
my copy and its distorted ! I hadnt play it a couple of years
!
I looks
like the outside of the disc becomes yellow ?
What kind
of process is this; i never heard of a self distructing ceedee
!!
In the end
of days this ceedee is worthless?
willem
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