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Monday, June 02, 2003 |
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| Topics for Monday, June 02, 2003 1. I've seen them live here in Germany!! - Sabs42 @ aol.com 2. RUSH.. - Martin Owen 3. whos moie? - SharminHall @ aol.com 4. Talk, talk; it's only talk - jt 5. Right JT - Dan Nesselroth 6. Three Days Of The Condor - Andrew Goodwin 7. Re:microkid or analog kid? - Nick Lauro 8. Re:Deep thoughts and the Fantastic Four: PW, AG, JT, KA - Nick Lauro 9. + MARKETPLACE - Level 42 Digest 10. + WEB DIGEST SUMMARY - Level 42 Digest 11. "It's Clobberin' Time" - jt |
| 1. I've seen them live here in Germany!! |
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| From: | Sabs42 @ aol.com <Sabs42 @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:04:49 EDT |
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| Hi you all....haven't posted for years, but now I've got to: wow - yesterday I've seen them again....for me it's almost three years ago, that I could visit a gig - London was too expensive for me...and last year I missed the two gigs here in Germany...what a shame. But WOW! - Yesterday!!!! Fantastic weather, fantastic place in the first row, fantastic open air show, fantastic band - FANTASTIC MarkyBaby!! Isn't he soooo great? To me it seemed that his voice, compared to the last gigs I've been to, was even better...soooo good....*hmmmm*.... :-)) ...."I can feel the teeeaars....running through the yeeeaars....".... I'm sitting here at my computer, smiling all over, and don't know how to say how much I loved it. But you all here know how this feels, don't you? I don't know if the Sax player joined the band last year as well...?....for me it was the first time since Mark performed solo again...and I must say I missed a saxophone before! :-) Brings another groovy element to the sound again. The set list brought almost no surprises - except (to me): "Dream Crazy" and "The Sun Bed Song" - AWESOME!! The first time, that I heard these two songs live....and wow....what a version of The Sun Bed Song. Thank you guys! Funny was when Mark said: "Ok, we are Level 42 and this is Dream Crazy...." ? Can't remember him saying who they are at any show...is that necessary?? :-)) Well....ok it was a City Festival where a lot of bands performed....but this was a little bit funny... Unfortunately Mark didn't appear to say "Hello" to a small bunch of fans waiting for him to get an autograph after the show. :-( "Only" Nathan and Lyndan appeared for a few seconds at the exit of the VIP area to sign some autographs...but not MarkyBaby. Only a car with black windows and the inscription "VIP shuttle" passed by. :-( - Strange feeling to smile at black windows. Ok Mark: you didn't want to have another kiss from me...ok, ok....but I send you one anyway via this way....*kiss*.....and a big hug from me! Thanks for coming, bringing this wonderful music to us again....and for making me smile, smile, smile.............. Hugs to all of you Sabine | ||
| 2. RUSH.. |
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| From: | Martin Owen <panzer86 @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:53:15 +0000 |
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| I'am not a hundred procent sure,Eric,but i think the "Signals" album were released back in 81(or perhaps in 82). If thats true it came out before "standing in the light". So you may be right about your theori. And Mikey,your'e quite right about that the recordcompany (polydor or whatever) keeps their fingers out,and for once let the bandmembers create the music without any commercial interests in the frontyard this time. (as it should be). They on the other hand are probably not that interested in the project this time. Mostly because time has changed a lot since the eightees,and these days the majority of the youngsters and the teenagers don't listen to that kind of music. They are mostly brainwashed with what MTV and the radiochannels play. Martin _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail | ||
| 3. whos moie? |
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| From: | SharminHall @ aol.com <SharminHall @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:49:25 EDT |
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| I read someone was asking if i was a supporter of JTs...i do like what he says and what AG has to say but as for a planted person of some sort...hmmmm, nope! I say what i say because i have some insight but because its my opinion and one that i hope you guys respect like i respect yours...thats all...as for me being in the buisness, yes i am and yes thanks for asking,even though no one bothered as such but i will tell you any way, YCBs album is one hell of a kick arse one as i was with the guys yesterday and boy, is there something special coming up... :) Best Sharmin x | ||
| 4. Talk, talk; it's only talk |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 1 Jun 2003 07:36:59 -0700 (PDT) |
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| --Pete Willisssssss > whereas I cannot > understand over 90% of what you write! Say no more! (Shall I switch over to German, or maybe you should just hand the computer over to your “young” son…) > Judging by my inbox, plenty of the other > digesters seem to have the same opinion. May you continue with being the pied piper of the commonplace. And you also must think that all xxx [number] of fans here have your dilapidated way of thinking, I too get my share of 'I agree with you' type posts.... Well, one. (if I were real pepperhead I _could_ accuse you of "drumming up" all this support for yourself, but one would _really_ need to be at the proverbial 'end of the rope' to do such an inane thing...) >Can anyone verify if this sharmin is for real or is this jt drumming up some 'personal' >support for himself. (Oops, I spoke to soon!) You are really reaching now....(not too mention complimenting your powers of reading & retaining brilliantly.) -Mike Payne > Just trying to see if this > is wishful thinking on Boon's part - It's true. Although I think you're demeaning Boon a bit here, it's not like he was begging, pleading or waiting for this… > That reminds me (RANT)- has anybody noticed that the > only time that MK.com - sorry, L42.com is updated > (no offense to Morgan and Paul - I know you guys try > to do the best you can with what you get) is when > items are put up for SALE? Didn't I say that already?! (Watch out Mikey, you're gonna get people thinking you're not a "fan" or worse, that people "cannot understand you"...) > - where L42.com remains almost > life-less! [Deleted analogies here, as so not to seem too esoteric...] > Also - I know that I will be opening a "can of > worms" on this following statement - but I really > regard L42 as a mindset, Friesen, still have on your lava lamp? > the name of his current line-up to "Level 42 - > Reloaded" or "Level 42 - Revisited", even "Level 42 > - The Next Generation" Hmmmm "Mark King (Group, if your prefer)" has an honest ring to it... > AND - before someone decides to take my post "the > wrong way" I tried, but it wouldn't fit. >keith ashley > Don't bother replying to my e-mail i only want > conversations with Level 42 > fans. Keith, please, for the love of gawd, please give us your definition of "fan". I await with bated breathe, this is going to be stunning.... Also, stop trying to garner up support for this chucklehead.com that you are (clearly) so proud over. Embarrassed to be here, j __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com | ||
| 5. Right JT |
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| From: | Dan Nesselroth <dnesselroth @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:38:41 -0700 |
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| You are right Jt...the live shows will be second best because fundamentally they are not level 42 no matter what you call them, they are mark kings backing troupe. I guess suppose Gary was not invited to drum on the studio album because ummmmm......he's "not Phil". I'd be angry if I got sacked or nearly sacked each time Phil crawls out of his hole. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail | ||
| 6. Three Days Of The Condor |
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| From: | Andrew Goodwin <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:56:12 +0100 |
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| >1. Digest >From: Laurence Green < >laurence.green @ scottwilson.com> > >I've learned to stop mentioning the name 'L*vel 42' too many people are too >precious about it Physician, heal thyself. >And in just the same way that Mark's band had new material to perform live >after 'Trash' which they didn't write, they'll have new material to perform >at the next tour they didn't write - big deal. I can't imagine them being >remotely perturbed. I can imagine them being most perturbed. In effect that gives you Mark King saying 'Hey jobbing musician/mate, I don't think you're worthy of helping to record new material, but you can still come out with me and help me shift a few albums, thereby garnering profits of which you won't see a part.' Maybe they're happy about it, maybe not. I know I wouldn't be. >2. Metaphorical cannibalism >From: jt < jtraci @ yahoo.com> > >You shouldn't offend AG that way; aside from a variety >of differences he clearly is more coy Me coy, you carp. >4. collection dvd and caps >From: Winston Walker < winman42 @ comcast.net> > >And for the record AG, the random caps thing is the result >Of my email program. I cant be bothered to change it, but if >It really annoys anyone, I’ll give it a shot, If it only annoys >You, well..you can figure the rest out. ;-) No no, it makes your postings look like surreal attempts at poetry. And it's certainly no more annoying than the lamentable illiteracy which many of my countrymen produce. >2. Everything That Rises Must Converge >From: jt < jtraci @ yahoo.com> > >the cliff robertson line is, for those not familiar >with a nifty ol' 60s tele show called the Twilight >Zone, a ref to an episode called "The Dummy", where, >amazingly enough, CR was a ventriloquist to a >murdering 'dummy'. Michael Redgrave, Dead Of Night. Ealing Studios I believe. Certainly decades before Rod Serling ever pictured anything. >4. AG :- IS THE LOST CHUCKLE BROTHER! >From: keith ashley < >keith_stuart2 @ hotmail.com> > >You try to come across as intelligent and artistic but it doesn't work Well, you know, better that than trying to come across as a halfwit and succeeding. >7. Deep thoughts and the Fantasic Four: PW, AG, JT, KA >From: Eric Hansen < >ehansen @ worldmachine.com> > >AG writes: >[0001101001001110001010110100110101001001010110101010101010001000110111000101010100001011011100] Byte me. >But for the sake of argument, you'd have to think that the touring band can >and should understand that they weren't part of the original band's >success. And hey, its that past success (and hopefully continued studio >success) that gives the touring band their present jobs in the first place. What about Gary Husband? 'You were good enough then but not now'? >So, how many people would there be to buy the album(s) and attend the >shows? Are we talking about the selling 10,000 or 100,000 albums (or >fewer?) How much of a factor do you think these sales expectations played >in the lineup's decision to pursue a new release? Well, this is what intrigues me. On the one hand you'd be inclined to imagine there was a definite financial element behind the decision; but on the other hand, without pursuing an overtly commercial line (which surely has little appeal for at least two of them), how many can they seriously expect to shift? Anyone imagining that the turn-out for the Greatest Hits shows is an indicator of how many people would buy a new release is surely in for a shock. I'd bet a significant number of people who went to those shows only own one compilation album. Personally I hope that an album will see the light of day which has been put together for purely artistic reasons, with the expectation of selling in the tens of thousands at best. Because any other scenario is surely going to lead to tears. AG _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile | ||
| 7. Re:microkid or analog kid? |
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| From: | Nick Lauro <thedrumdoctor @ nlauro.f9.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:48:23 +0100 |
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| Well, "Signals" came out in 1983, same year as SITL so the Rush connection would on face value, appear entirely coincidental. I found my "Signals" tour programme the other day - can't decide whether to bin it or sell it! This isn't the only incidence of a song/concept coincidence between Level 42 and another band. I remember back in November '84 when they released "The chant has begun" and The Alarm released a song off their album during the same month named "The chant has just begun"! The Alarm got to No. 48 in the UK singles chart with their song, whilst Level 42 fared marginally better at No. 41. thedrumdoctor | ||
| 8. Re:Deep thoughts and the Fantastic Four: PW, AG, JT, KA |
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| From: | Nick Lauro <thedrumdoctor @ nlauro.f9.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:43:40 +0100 |
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| Eric, In answer to your last paragraph in your post about the commercial viability\promo etc for the new studio collaboration (should it ever see the light of the day), well here's the way I see it. First of all, they don't need a record company. Why? Well, that's simple enough, they don't need a loan from the "record company bank" to see the project through. No doubt, they have the studio facilities sorted between them - there's a big chunk of the budget a record company would normally loan you the money for in their (repayable) advance. Whether or not they are paying for Julian Mendelsohn's services is another matter. Producers fees are another ubiquitous chunk out of any bands recording costs, but maybe Julian's doing it for favour\friend\love of the project reasons, or even for a royalty split on the finished product. As he's had a nice career throughout the 80's & 90's as an "A list" producer, I somehow don't he needs the money. All we have then is CD\Artwork production costs and final mastering. You mentioned promotion. Well, we're not talking about trying to find the funding to break a brand new band onto the world-wide pop market. So there ain't going to be a whole floor of people in a record company working flat out on pluggers\promoters\press etc. My best guess is that in order to even get these guys recording stuff together in the first place, it's got to be for artistic rather than commercial pursuits. Let's not forget that we have an already established artist here with an old fan base (30+ CD buying market) who will buy over the Internet without too much persuasion. In the UK, it won't be too hard to get daytime airplay from the likes of BBC Radio 2 and if this line-up did choose to play together again for a TV promo, they would no doubt find the door open to Jools Holland's "Later" BBC music programme. In a nutshell, I don't believe that they would have to try too hard to gain access to the usual publicity channels. In fact, it may even be the case in the UK at least, that certain parts of the media would come knocking on their door. As for sales\financial returns, well they've done themselves the biggest favour they could by cutting out the middle-man (shark) in the form of a record company. Therefore, they don't owe anyone anything so the profit margins will be well healthier than a band who've got to pay back advance monies from sales before they see a penny themselves. In fact, this is a most desirable position to be in. They'll probably need to set up a distribution deal of some sort if they want to get the product physically into record shops, but they could test the water over the Internet for pretty much free! I think we're looking at an artistic release here, where the monetary stakes aren't really at risk as much as the "critical acclaim" aspects are. thedrumdoctor | ||
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| Date: | Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:30:08 -0400 |
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| 11. "It's Clobberin' Time" |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 2 Jun 2003 01:46:50 -0700 (PDT) |
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| --Nick Lauro > Thanks for that one Bjorn, [Danish Way website] yes, very nice job, there is also another great fansite by a young chap named Christoph, however, I forget the address. (this ties in with Mikey’s thing about the official site(s), I do not recall any “official” site ever (I’m talking for music, books, etc) being better than a fansite. -- Eric Johnson > anyone know which came out first: Standing In The > Light or Signals?. both 1982, I believe. --ALLAN ROBERTSON > they could drop lyndons vocals completely. Oh, wow. Somewhere in there is a small example of "heaven".... > Perhaps u want the job JT ?..... oye, no thanks, I prefer a better paying/non-cover-band gig. --Tom Foolery > Just wanted to share my hope that the > new L42 studio venture comes to pass, and that it's >an artistic masterpiece At least you're seeing things reasonable and not setting the bar too high. > it's likely > we'll see them break new ground. At least you're seeing things reasonable...oh, I guess I already said that... > And if you want to be pessimistic Realism is always kinda nifty. --Deep thoughts and the Fantasic Four: PW, AG, JT, --- Eric Hansen < Can I be The Thing? This would then make Eric The Silver Surfer; Friesen, Herbie the Robot; and, certainly, Loz is Galactus, and...and...and > man, talk about bickering... I guess this is what > happens when the Digest, like a ripening marriage, > turns 10 years old...! I think we've outlived most marriages/relationships. >But for the sake of argument, you'd have to think >that the touring band can and should understand I don't see it with this angle, using Gary's own term that he posted here (or had Terry post, I fergit) the touring band was a "nostalgia" act. They were to perform old tunes. You know this going in, there can be no real disassociation. Now that the name "level42" is to be dusted off and pimped to the Modern Times, that's a wholllleee other story. > I guess I'm saying > that "wouldn't the touring band all be pissed at > Mark!" is shallow speculation. speculation, maybe, not so shallow insomuch that it actually takes a little perspective and thinking to think about. So no, not shallow. Wrong? possibly, but with MK being the usually fount of information, alllll we's got is speculation. > How much of a factor do > you think these sales expectations played in the > lineup's decision to pursue a new release? sales expectations equals money/delusion of grandeur. So I'd say the factor for MK is 100%, the rest of the guys 15-35%. >From the Baxter Building, Shars...I mean, j __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com |
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