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Topics for Friday, September 19, 2003

    1.  "Tits Up" - Elson Trinidad
    2.  new lp - Winston Walker
    3.  Regarding Level 42.... - Floydrose
    4.  Die hard fans, Steely Dan - Jackson, Lolita
    5.  re: mike lindup - ALLAN ROBERTSON
    6.  "Tits Up" for our American friends... - Nick Lauro
    7.  song query - Chris Lawless
    8.  + MARKETPLACE - Level 42 Digest
    9.  + WEB DIGEST SUMMARY - Level 42 Digest
    10.  Karma Killer - jt

1.  "Tits Up"
From: Elson Trinidad <elson @ westworld.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:12:43 -0700
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Pardon me for not understanding the euphemism, but round here, when tits are up, it's actually a good thing :) Elson As opposed to sagging down... >2ce819.jpg - 30 - : . elson trinidad, los angeles, california, usa : . elson [at] westworld [dot] com : www.westworld.com/~elson : . i create, you listen: : . [ e:trinity : ethnotronica music : www.e-trinity.org ] : . [ elson : acoustic soul : www.xanga.com/elsongs ]

2.  new lp
From: Winston Walker <winman42 @ comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 05:12:07 -0400
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Well, I don’t think anyone has personally spoken to the band and gotten

A definitive answer about an album, or recording being dead. All I have

Heard for sure is that Phil has stopped working, and the other 3 are

Carrying on.

 

I doubt anything is completed, because they have’nt really had much time,

With tour prep, etc, etc.

 

My guess is that if it really ends, Boon’s excellent site will update us all.

Until thattime, its just all rumours and speculation from various fans, not

Unlike this message.  ;-)

 

Win



3.  Regarding Level 42....
From: Floydrose <floydrose @ pacific.net.sg>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:27:33 +0800
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I love to listen to their demo version of "Free Yourself". This one's found in their remastered "True Colours" album. Wouldn't it be great to have it released, with or without lyrics?
 
Cheers....


4.  Die hard fans, Steely Dan
From: Jackson, Lolita <Lolita.Jackson @ morganstanley.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:19:32 -0400
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<Well, with Winston and Don both denouncing my logic, I'm questioning my mettle for this
debate. But for the sake of closure, perhaps I should qualify my opinion with the fact
that everyone I've ever met at a L42 show (that's 5 shows in the last few years) has
been a die-hard fan. Granted, they've nearly all been other Digesters, so maybe that's
a bias.>

Eric - I have two theories. The first is that the smaller places like The Jazz Cafe might attract many more diehards than the bigger spaces like Oxford Apollo or Hammersmith Odeon, and you likely [outside of the '99 shows] have only really seen them in venues like that. My other theory is that perhaps because you either have good tix or a good standing spot in a general admission place, most of those tickets/spots are often snatched up by die hard fans [hence the long queues at Jazz Cafe, for example] and you are thus surrounded by people just like you...

That being said, it seemed that the entire crowd at Saturday night's Steely Dan concert were diehards. During Don't Take Me Alive, the crowd was singing along so loudly that Donald Fagan literally stopped singing and gasped - we sang three lines without him while he exchanged awestruck looks with Walter.

BTW, the new drummer in Steely Dan is only 25 years old, not 30. I was floored because he was amazing. Whoever saw the show in Paso Robles, too bad your crowd made you feel too young. Ours definitely had a good mix agewise - as a matter of fact there were six kids in the front row with their various parents, and two teenage boys knew the words to most of the songs! It was very cool to see the cross generational mix. Also, the Steely Dan Digest had a huge Danfest so there were fans who flew in from all over the country and the world for the Roseland shows, thus a large portion of the people in the front knew all the lyrics and were dancing and bopping. That is likely why Walter made the comment that this was the best gig ever.

BTW - whoever asked if they should go see Steely Dan or not: DON'T MISS IT! It was the best show I've seen this year outside of Incognito.





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5.  re: mike lindup
From: ALLAN ROBERTSON <allanmrobertson @ mail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:54:25 -0500
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6.  "Tits Up" for our American friends...
From: Nick Lauro <thedrumdoctor @ nlauro.f9.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:50:52 +0100
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Yep, this is a Brit expression alright! "Tits", are UK slang for breasts.
The phrase "Tits up" is a visual analogy referring to when a woman
accidentally falls over, flat on her back, and her breasts point upwards
toward the sky! Unlikely, but it makes for a colourful expression to
describe when a situation falls over and goes wrong, hence, it "all goes
tits up".

Now for your next lesson in UK slang, ever heard of the phrase "it's
bollocksed!"?

thedrumdoctor

7.  song query
From: Chris Lawless <lawford42 @ juno.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:09:15 -0400
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Tim Wojton <tgwojton @ yahoo.com> wrote:
 
>P.S. - Wouldn't it be awesome if they incorporated the finished and mastered versions of "Fire" and "Free >You Soul" in this new album?  I love those two songs and wish that they were polished up.
 
 
And these are from where...?



8.  + MARKETPLACE
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:00:02 -0400
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9.  + WEB DIGEST SUMMARY
From: Level 42 Digest <level42-admin @ worldmachine.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:10:12 -0400
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Don't miss a Level beat! The following is a list of messages posted to the Level 42 WEB Digest over the last day (not including off-topic and admin boards). Click on a heading to get the full content for any board or topic. Questions about this mailing list related service? Email us at level42-admin @ worldmachine . com. Have fun!


 General Discussion
       1 new -- Any More on the "Original Four" collaboration ?
  by level4ever
       1 new -- Hammersmith Odeon Parking & Location
  by Kansas City Milkman
       1 new -- LEVEL 42.COM - HELP
  by Kansas City Milkman
       1 new -- Mike Lindup news !!!
  by Stephan Matauschek
       3 new -- Mike Lindup press release on www.forevernow.com
  by winman42, des, Kansas City Milkman
       8 new -- The LEVEL 42 word association game..
  by Animal on a Yamaha RTC, SteveR, REWind42, ernst, Quibus, T
       2 new -- Wedding Day suprise
  by JohnF, Jen_IOW
       1 new -- at last level 42 on top of the pops 2
  by simonpopp
 Buy, Sell & Trade
       1 new -- How much?!
  by Ed
       2 new -- Vinyl 4 Sale!
  by DOMINIC, Kansas City Milkman
 Fansite Announcements
       1 new -- Download section updated again on The Danish Way
  by Bjorn42
 Musicians' Lounge
       1 new -- If only i had the cash!
  by Frederick
       2 new -- Mark King Slap Bass Instuctional Video...
  by FustratedBassist, Essexboy

Author Summary

4 messages:
     Kansas City Milkman
2 messages:
     REWind42, T
1 messages:
     des, winman42, Ed, Jen_IOW, level4ever, FustratedBassist, Frederick, ernst, Bjorn42, DOMINIC, Quibus, Animal on a Yamaha RTC, JohnF, SteveR, Stephan Matauschek, simonpopp, Essexboy

10.  Karma Killer
From: jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:25:56 -0700 (PDT)
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Eric the H
>I disagree that the majority of Level 42's
concert->goers these days would be
>the greatest-hits-cd crowd, so this brings up an
>interesting point...

I think it’s probably a mish-mash, although outweighed
with the adjective fans, and this counter-balance will
increase as the flogging of the L42 dead-horse carries
on. The radio listeners (i.e. “hits fans”) or the
“isn’t 80s nostalgia grand?” peoples may have caught a
gig of the Greatest Hits Tour. But now that a lot of
the same venues will be played with a differently
titled tour, although the tunes will probably not be
too diverse (it IS plugging the Ultimate CD (and
moreso the single CD, as usually only the
adjective-fans will purchase double to triple CD
sets). [and to semi-clarify that there will be, as Win
estimates, a swapping of a few tunes, Terry did state
some time ago that Gary did say they had some
rehearsal time before the tour. But then again, things
have changed within the band since then…] and once a
set list is decided upon it will probably be laminated
and one could set their time piece to it….
 
>I'd wager that the crowd is predominantly die hard
>fans.
 
Getting moreso; while the occasional nostalgia fan
will surf in, some caught it on the ‘GH’ tour and I
kinda doubt that they will now feel nostalgic for…last
year. Maybe they’ll wait for next years Millennium
Collection Tour, or the following years Best of Tour…
And some of it is people that (oddly) consider a
concert a social event, too. Their neighborhoods
(seemingly) offer little to do, so might as well catch
a gig, hang with some people and drink some beer
(certainly sounds like an excised chapter from
_Inferno_)
…And let’s not get into “literacy”
…or whatever a ‘die hard’ fan is…does that mean
singing out loud at a concert? I just thought that
meant “asshead” -this kind of action would surely
result in a swift elbow to the jaw (although I would
first ask nicely and inform them I did not come to a
concert to hear _them_ sing)
 
>I mean, are you really that disgruntled as you're
hearing SAY played live?
 
It’s really only one of the few times I wish I were a
heroin addict…

Eric, I imagine the people you’ve met at shows
categorize themselves as ‘die hard’ cuz, at least with
General Admission venues (non-seating assigned) the
adjectives will show up early to get a better spot,
casuals will saunter in and grab a beer, but may be no
less a “fan”. The adjectives will be the ones hanging
out outside waiting to thank the boys for a so-so
performance, I would imagine. Head counts can be taken
then.
Recognition (louder crowd cheer) at some of the more
popular tunes doesn’t necessarily mean it’s just the
radio listeners, a great deal of the adjectives “love”
these tunes too and apparently find that not hearing
these/this tune(s) live is synonymous to oxygen
depletion.

Also, as for ‘mammaries upright’ (tits up) it doesn’t
take a wild stretch of the imagination to figure that
usually a dead body is pictured on its back (unless
one is haunted by thoughts of being face down in
Gloria Swanson’s pool)…and while the general consensus
is indeed the project is dead in the water, no talk of
them getting so far as the studio has been
established.

Apologies for the structure (although I think the
points are clean and sharp enough to penetrate, even
to those who seem to have a difficult time with some
of these things), but as I too find it annoying to
read my words, I just can’t bring myself to tidy this
up…

j(ay)



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