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Friday, March 28, 2003 |
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| Topics for Friday, March 28, 2003 1 - lyrics / bands - Laurence Green 2 - 'mommy, mommy, the drummer (verbally) beat me up' - jt 3 - Yo Mac - Norman van den Wildenberg 4 - what the hell? - SharminHall @ aol.com 5 - Re: Gary Husband, you insecure..bas...you know - Terry_Arnett @ ryder.com 6 - FW: reply from Gary Husband - Eric J. Hansen 7 - LEVEL 42 VACATION PACKAGES - Michael Payne 8 - Dan the man - Joey Jowitt 9 - Level 42 tribute band - Christina Fordham 10 - Re: Kool & the Gang - AltoforHire @ aol.com 11 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 3/28/2003 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE |
| 1 - lyrics / bands |
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| From: | Laurence Green <laurence.green @ scottwilson.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:28:44 -0000 |
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| >Right then, I thought I would do something completely different and *not* >slag-off off nor defend the band since two months into the debate, I'm >just as bored with it as I was then. Here we go again, slagging off 'the band' - that's what I object to. 6 hours a week I spend listening to Level 42 albums and somehow, overnight because Mike signs a piece a paper - 'the band' becomes a few guys who tour for 8 weeks a year. No. 'The Band' who made these classic albums is MK, ML, PG, BG and I would NEVER slag them off. A LIVE band which tour playing the hit songs of THE band for a few weeks a year, cannot be considered THE BAND. I don't mind this live band being called 'Level 42' but when we (I) speak here about Level 42 - their back catalogue - their single releases, I'm clearly not talking about the current line-up. All I really object to is the surreptitious way that all Level 42's great achievements overnight become attributed to 3 other guys and that somehow because I might get the chance on a couple of occasions to watch these guys for 90 minutes twice a year then they're the real Level 42 and not the guys I'm listening to for 90 minutes every single day of they year. There has really only been two line-ups of Level - MK ML PG BG who had all the success, all the top 10 singles and albums - the rest of the line-ups just rode the wave created by that original 4 -I can't possibly see how this fact is deniable (except to add that a superb album was made without Boon [forever now]). I agree about Trash - Mark's lyrics on that album are way ahead of any of his other lyrical works -but in my opinion, way, way behind the talent of Phil and Boon in that department and even Mike. L()Z Visit our web site at www.scottwilson.com Privilege and Confidentiality Notice. This e-mail and any attachments to it are intended only for the party to whom they are addressed. They may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete any digital copies and destroy any paper copies. Thank you. Scott Wilson Kirkpatrick & Co Ltd Registered in London: No. 880328 Registered office: Scott House, Basing View, Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG21 4JG. UK. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. | ||
| 2 - 'mommy, mommy, the drummer (verbally) beat me up' |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Mar 2003 04:27:04 -0800 (PST) |
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| Dan, >What > kind of washed up, > third rate, stand in drummer for a has-been pop band > reads though > fan email lists to attack his critics? ????? aside from your first few bashings (I do agree with the water reference), I kinda doubt Gary "attacked" you. Even so, why not? If you're theories are founded on somethng solid, what better oppurtunity to chat about them with the source of your 'problem'? To me it's a shame that we do not have any interaction with anyone in the band. Some of the most enjoyable web sites are when occasionally some of the 'celebs' stop by, or at least answer questions. As Win 'said' before, it would be really nifty to find out some of this stuff we all speculate on. It would be a hell of a cool thing if Gary chimed in here from time to time. And Dan, no matter what GH did say to you, that is part of critque...say I called YOU a jerk-off (or anything else considered unkind) right now, you may very well fire off some "attack" toward me, no? >I > want the money I forked over for "Staring at the > Sun" and > "Garunteed" back! With interest. IF you're opinions are founded on solid knowledge, informed opinions; of which I can not really say I feel they are, then I will gladly PayPal you the money if this is your sole problem in life. I wouldn't want the lack of 30buck in your pocket keep you from bliss. > Gary, here is how it works in show business: You > don't attack your > critics, and you NEVER read your poor reviews. These are no rules or laws I have ever heard of. Free will is pretty phuckin' cool. Curiousity of what others think of work you place in the public, that's pretty instinctive. And how does one know if a review is poor or not without reading it? >I > have heard it, > and am not astounded by it. I dont think I've ever purchased anything that guarantees that I will be "astounded" by it. Nor would I ever bitch about my loss of funds unless something was stated with a 'money back guarantee' [deleted closing rant in which you provide little worth commenting on] Dan, while I am certainly one of the harsher people on here, I do try to add some basis for my theories. I am also strong enough in my own opinions that is xx (be it band members or digesters) were to email me I would be very pleased and welcome any kind of debate. A few people, from time to time (just digesters), have emailed me questioning some of my beliefs and hopefully things get semi-clear. Others, kindly email me saying that,while they don't agree, they appreciate that I (try to) formulate my thoughts with foundation, and pepper it with some humour. Yes, I have some problems with what is now called L42, I think a few of the instrument-players are not fit for the job. But I am not gonna a) try to convert other people into some kind of powergame, or b) berate player for anything outside of what has to do with the workings of 'L42'. Breathe in, breathe out. Formulate your thoughts and we can have a 'conversation'. But come at me, or anyone,with arms flailing in the air and spouting nonsense...well, son, you're gonna go down, and go down hard. Now that's an "attack". Kinda, j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com | ||
| 3 - Yo Mac |
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| From: | Norman van den Wildenberg <express @ hetnet.nl> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:44:09 +0100 |
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| The Finno-Italian section of the Digest is considering Dublin. Should we have a "fossil reunion in there"? Mikey, not sure about cider but Guinness and Caffreys make the journey worth the monies... mac What, dublin...And when I was in Dublin, last December, you didn't even come over, though you were in Ireland!!! What about considdering the Netherlands in September ;-) you know why ;-) Norman vd Wildenberg norman @ xpress-mm.tk www.xpress-mm.tk www.dalata.zzn.com www.level42.tk www.estherteugels.tk www.francoshea.com www.slov.nl www.crazybert.tk www.ernestranglin.com www.lyricsweb.tk www.vontherocks.tk www.podix.tk | ||
| 4 - what the hell? |
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| From: | SharminHall @ aol.com <SharminHall @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:09:28 EST |
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| >Dan Nesselroth said.... >What kind of washed up, third rate, stand in drummer for a has-been pop band reads though fan email lists to attack his critics? He probably reads through it to look for his name to remind himself that for a brief period in 1988 he was part of Level 42's proverbial "shark jump". No wonder they let him write. I DONT NORMALLY MAIL HERE BUT THIS I CANT BELEIVE... GARY HAPPENS TO BE A SENSATIVE PERSON AND REMARKS LIKE YOURS ARE BEYOND BELIEF...I WOULD TAKE IT AS YOUR ONE OF THE TOSSERS THAT MAILS BAND MEMBERS TO INSULT THEM...DONT YOU HAVE A BRAIN MATE...SURELY YOU NEED TO CHECK YOURSELF BEFORE OPENING YOUR MOUTH...SO WHAT, IF GARYS PLAYING AND MAKING A LIVING FROM IT...ARE YOU REALLY THAT LOW TO FEEL JEALOUSY, AS YOU SAY, YOUR NOT A PROFFESIONAL!! YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT REALISE HOW MUCH WORK GOS INTO GIVING THE MASSES WHAT THEY WANT...SO KEEP IT QUIET UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY!!! >Apparently I hurt his feelings and he email's me to insult me...I want the money I forked over for "Staring at the Sun" and "Garunteed" back! With interest. SORRY, YOU DONT DESERVE THE MONEY BACK!!! AND YES YOU DO HURT HIS FEELINGS CAUSE ALL YOU ARE DOING IS THROWING CRAP THAT IS NOT DESERVED BY ANY BAND MEMBER, PAST OR PRESENT!!! BUT I TAKE IT YOU MAILED HIM AS YOU SAID TO INSULT HIM CAUSE YOU DONT 'APPROVE'...SO WHY SHOULD HE NOT RESPOND TO WHAT YOU HAVE SAID TO HIM...UNBELIVABLE!! >Gary, here is how it works in show business: You don't attack your critics, and you NEVER read your poor reviews. I am no professional critic, but I did pay for copies of your material. I have heard it, and am not astounded by it. No wonder Phil refuses to play it! And now that Ol' Mark King bought the rights to the brand you line up for the scraps. I will hang on to the old cd's thanks, because that is where the talent was. If you and the new Level 42 happen to get a gig better than opening for Ringo and his all star band, I might come to the show inbetween playing the slots and visiting Madame Taussauds. I THINK YOU ARE SO FAR UP YOUR BACK SIDE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR ON ABOUT...OH, BTW, WHY CRITISE A MUSO BECAUSE HE APPARENTLY ISNT MENT TO CRITISE YOU CAUSE YOUR A FAN? IDIOT SORRY TO SAY... WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HERE ON THE EMAIL DIGEST IF YOU REALLY HOLD SUCH DISREGARD FOR GARY AND PROBBABLY THE REST OF THE BAND!!! HANG ON MK ASKED GARY TO PLAY AND YOU DIDNT SO YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL SOMEONE THEY HAVE NO TALENT...YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND BUT TELL YOU THE TRUTH MANY WILL BE PISSED OF AT YOUR COMMENTS...WIND IT UP AND SOD OFF I SAY!!! >To the rest of you on the digest, if you want a member of Level 42 to email you, insult him. It seems to work. NOW WE KNOW WHO IT WAS ALL ALONG...YOU SEEM TO NEGLECT THE FACT, YOU ARNT MENT TO MAIL THE BAND AND OBVIOUSLY YOU SEEM TO THINK YOU ARE BEYOND THAT RULE...THINK AGAIN.. Sorry Eric, but i had to say...these kind of comments are really bang out of order and tell you the truth ones that hurt and embarress the true fan!!! | ||
| 5 - Re: Gary Husband, you insecure..bas...you know |
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| From: | Terry_Arnett @ ryder.com <Terry_Arnett @ ryder.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:19:02 +0000 |
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Dan Nesselroth <dnesselroth @ hotmail.com> wrote... DN ...You would think fame and fortune...well riding on the tail coats of it anyhow..would make someone pretty secure. What kind of washed up, third rate, stand in drummer for a has-been pop band reads though fan email lists to attack his critics? He probably reads through it to look for his name to remind himself that for a brief period in 1988 he was part of Level 42's proverbial "shark jump". No wonder they let him write... TA ...You are obvoiusly looking for a reply - so I'll give you one. How shallow minded you really are! I think if you ask Mark King, Billy Cobham, Allan Holdsworth, John McLaughlin, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta, Manu Katche, Tony Thompson, Mark Bzezicki, Simon Hanson, Tony Williams (if he was still alive), Chad Wackerman, Steve Gadd, Jim Mullen, Alan Skidmore, Narada Michael Walden, Jeff Berlin... need I go on..., ...if you ask these people - people who are very big names in the music industry - they will tell you how much they rate Gary. Not only as a drummer - but as a MUSICIAN. It strikes me that you can't be a musician yourself. If you are, you must be a God awful one. You have really no idea what the hell you are talking about, do you? DN ...Apparently I hurt his feelings and he email's me to insult me...I want the money I forked over for "Staring at the Sun" and "Garunteed" back! With interest... Gary, here is how it works in show business: You don't attack your critics, and you NEVER read your poor reviews. I am no professional critic, but I did pay for copies of your material. I have heard it, and am not astounded by it. No wonder Phil refuses to play it! And now that Ol' Mark King bought the rights to the brand you line up for the scraps. I will hang on to the old cd's thanks, because that is where the talent was. If you and the new Level 42 happen to get a gig better than opening for Ringo and his all star band, I might come to the show inbetween playing the slots and visiting Madame Taussauds. DN ...To the rest of you on the digest, if you want a member of Level 42 to you, insult him. It seems to work... TA... You are the fool who buys things without trialing them - then who is the idiot here? Not Gary. Gary's involvememt with Level 42 has been well document - please feel free to view my website... www.ghresource.co.uk if you want to know the "ins & outs" of what happened during the creation of SATS and Guaranteed (at least I can spell that right). Gary's solo stuff is very different to what he has done with Level 42 - but whatever... if that's not your bag, then so be it. You didn't have to bloody buy the things, did you? Or are you a complete numbskull? But, you cannot defame Gary for producing it. In fact, with his recent rework of AH stuff for piano, and his work on John McLaughlin's work on piano - both heavily acclaimed by both original creators - are wonderful pieces of work. Now I know who has been harrassing Gary, bombarding with with insulting e-mails. That is not on. PERIOD. To try to antagonise Gary - and other people - by creating crass e-mails just shows what a complete tosser you really are. As if doing things by e-mail provides you with some barrier of protection, making YOU think that you can get away with blue murder and write what only amounts as complete drivel. I will be mailing this Digest's administrator - as your last comment regarding e-mailing Gary to insult him is tantamount to public harrassment - and I for one will not stand for this. You haven't heard the last from me about this... Terry | ||
| 6 - FW: reply from Gary Husband |
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| From: | Eric J. Hansen <ehansen @ worldmachine.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:54:19 -0500 |
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This message was
sent to me by another Digest subscriber, who received the
email from
Gary
Husband. I'm posting it to the list at their request.
thanks,
Eric
[from Gary Husband]
Unfortunately, some cretin has been forwarding
me copies, since late last
year, of any amount of people writing letters to forums,
basically just to
slag me off - time after time after time again. According
to the vast
majority of these people, apparently, my efforts in Level
42 and input into
this band, past or present, either in a playing capacity
or a writing
capacity isn't worth a piece of bird crap on the
pavement.
Occasionally, I get foolishly motivated to check into
these sites, just to
see what all this stuff being said is exactly. After doing
so I realise this
thread is the general opinion of many. Stupidly enough,
this latest splurge
of bigoted, puritanical hatred of me stretched my
(generally pretty even)
tolerance level, and I played around on the computer
inventing a little
imaginary piece back to him, in response - just to vent my
anger, and not
intending in the least to post the thing. Unfortunately,
my finger pressed
"send now" and not "delete"!!!! I had drunk too much wine,
and the moron got
his response!! Ha ha.
Well, you know, never in 25 years of playing have I ever
been subjected to
the kind of abuse and disrespect I've received from people
who follow this
band - whether it's the original band from years ago, the
later edition i was
involved in or right through to the present situation. I
play in this current
touring thing because I have a good friend in Mark, and I
like to play with
him! I am a working musician and outside of my own solo
endeavours I take on
"working musician work", because that's what I do!! I also
do it because Mark
repeatedly asks me to it! What's more, Mark started asking
me to do it as far
back as 1985/6!!! I guess he likes the way I
play!
I'm generally myself concerned with new music development,
whether I'm
working in other people's projects or the ones I pursue on my own, under my
own name. This what my usual priority is. Not for anybody
else would I really
consider, (out of preference) playing old music.
Particularly music written,
performed and made famous by other people and
contributors. This is the
extent of my feeling for Mark, and quite honestly for the
other musicians
currently involved in this thing, because they, to me, all
play very, very
well for this thing, are totally committed performers,
consummate
professionals and altogether good people too.
This is the only Goddamned retrospective thing I do. It
takes up maybe 15% of
my year, and I do it out of a good working relationship with people I like
and care for. None of us are doing it to move any new air
especially -
there's no new music involved, so nobody's kidding
themselves here, and none
of us are under any illusions. We are doing it because
MARK FEELS LIKE
PLAYING (!) and, (apparently!) the benefit is felt by a
lot of people who
enjoy hearing this line-up play, people who quite like
hearing those hits
again, and for a lot of younger people who are getting a
buzz out of hearing
this stuff for the first time and who dig five committed
musicians get a buzz
going on-stage! It's no "deeper" than this. Certainly not
for me ... and I
certainly don't NEED it as a way (as some clown suggested)
for me to able to
get on-stage or get work!!!
Nobody's pretending to be anybody here, or masquerading
under anybody's name
to get anywhere. We are just doing what we do: PLAY! It's
playing specific
stuff, yes - stuff other people wrote and made famous. In
order to be true to
it there's a lot of effort involved to kind of make it
sound authentic, while
not trying to be identical. Kind of like when I used to
play in big bands and
was required (to a degree) to evoke the original versions of hits other
people played on.
It's the only "retro" thing I do, and I have been panned
into the ground by
these die-hard "original band" fans until I can virtually
sing that tired old
song along with them! Oh well, it's a drag I guess for
them. No, I'm not Phil
Gould, and no I wasn't ever required or asked to be!
Certainly not would I
desire to be either! He was a fine drummer, and very
original. I liked his
playing very much. I guess, over the years, I seem to have
generated a pretty
fair standing of my own as a drummer, (unless people like
Allan Holdsworth or
Billy Cobham or John McLaughlin really have no idea of
what they're talking
about either!)
To all those people concerned reading this, basically,
sorry I don't seem to
make it for you "particularly"!! OK!!!
When I first started working on an original new band with
Allan Holdsworth
back in 1980 we recorded all the definitive versions of
many of his well
known compositions - stuff he's still playing even now.
Since those years I
must have witnessed around as many as eight different
drummers
interpretations on those pieces from that first album. Am
I disturbed by
that? Even though I pretty much formed and composed the
drum parts concerned
myself? NO you idiots! I was proud of that work, and I
feel proud many of my
colleagues and contemporaries have come along and lent their own
interpretation to what I did!
It's only music ...........OK!!! Not something so
precious, never to be
touched again by anyone other than the original creators
or contributors!
Music can stay ALIVE with fresh breath and energy running
through it's veins
and it's structure. What IS it with you people!!!!???
I'd like to extend a wish towards all those concerned -
those who mail me,
slag me off and pan me, and all the rest of it. Please
don't any of you
attempt to line up outside the stage door on future
concert performances with
an idea about saying hello or chewing the fat again. I
really have nothing to
say to any of you. In fact, I basically advise you to stay
home and grow old
with all your original level 42 CDs! There are plenty of
people who DO want
to come and hear this thing, (for however long it lasts,
or for however long
I find myself involved) who have a little bit of
perspective, sense, and last
but not least, some manners and some
respect!!!
Get over it!!!
B.T.W. Dan Nesselroth, Neil Peart apparently seems to be a
fan of mine!
Wow!
Sincerely, Gary Husband
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| 7 - LEVEL 42 VACATION PACKAGES |
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| From: | Michael Payne <michael @ journeyhouse.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:21:13 -0600 |
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WOW, I went to open up my e-mail this morning, and BANG! I had over 27 e-mails so far today, you guys & gals are just simply amazing, already sold 3 packages before lunch! A majority of e-mails I received are looking towards the end of the tour, than the beginning, I have to say that possibly more US fans from the digest may be traveling over this tour, which is f-n brilliant! For those of you who may be new to this forum, I have done this in the past for fans (although this is the first time I was able to have L42 All-Inclusive packages), I am a certified travel agent, but when it comes to Level 42, I do not charge commission fees, just at our cost, as I know that every little bit helps, especially in this great economy we find ourselves in! Anyway, this could be a great tour with tons of Yanks + 2 Canadians in the audience....... MIKEY | ||
| 8 - Dan the man |
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| From: | Joey Jowitt <joeyjowitt @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:37:13 +0000 |
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| Dan,you're a twat.But the good thing is, we won't be seeing you at any more shows.Go and catch Phil playing somewhere or other,i've heard he's still very good. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile/mobilehotmail | ||
| 9 - Level 42 tribute band |
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| From: | Christina Fordham <christinaf @ blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:32:00 -0000 |
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| We would be very grateful if you could advertise some of our upcoming dates on your website. Its great that we have this opportunity thanks to yourself and all the dedicated 42 funkateers who visit your site. Level 24, Bristol based 5 piece tribute, we have a string of gigs beginning in April as follows: Saturday 12th April - Fleece and Firkin, St Thomas Street, Bristol Saturday 31st May - Fiddlers, Willway Street, Bedminster, Bristol Saturday 28th June - Riffs Bar, Swindon (this could be moved to a later date) Saturday 19th July - The Prom, Gloucester Road, Bristol Saturday 23 August - Folk House, Park Street, Bristol For bass enthusiasts particularly the bass lines are authentically pumped out on Status, Jaydee and Alembic basses....... Oh and another very special Jaydee! Hehe! Aprils set will include Level 42's live arrangements of Mr Pink, Heaven In My Hands, Sun goes Down, Fashion Fever, Hot Water, Lessons In Love, Running In The Family, The Chinese Way, 43 and of course FOREVER NOW!! (and many many more, as the cliché goes!) We look forward to seeing as many of you guys at the gigs as possible for the groove, the crack, and some self indulgent 42 chit chat! Thanks in advance for your help. Steenareens (aka Christina - keyboard player, Level 24) | ||
| 10 - Re: Kool & the Gang |
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| From: | AltoforHire @ aol.com <AltoforHire @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:05:49 EST |
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In a message dated 3/27/2003 4:10:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, level42 @ worldmachine.com writes:just got back from a conference for my firm, and they hired Kool &the Hey Lolita, How cool of your firm to hire a groovin' band like that! I actually met some guys this past Sunday who were in town from Oklahoma to audition as new singers for Kool and the Gang. I guess the 25-year-old is on his way out. The guys I met are in their 30s. Small world. Angel Girl in 204 | ||
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