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Friday, January 31, 2003 |
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| Topics for Friday, January 31, 2003 1 - Dreams & Visions VCD - dean.osborn @ bt.com 2 - hard love/ true love XXX - jt 3 - Musings - dean.osborn @ bt.com 4 - Re: various artists - Adam Shearn 5 - all apologies - bunty omar 6 - The Gauntlet, Zender, TCW and law of averages - Eric J. Hansen 7 - RE: 5 - PHIL WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!! - Nick Lauro 8 - King, the King - tonydunne1 9 - Guaranteed - Dave Mock 10 - Roger And Me - Andrew Goodwin 11 - Trigonstock info - Nick Lauro 12 - RE: 5 - PHIL WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!! - Nick Lauro 13 - I'm right with ya Bob/tales from the USA - surfer411 14 - Misc. responses. - David Loundy 15 - Doug vs Mark - mikethepom 16 - Advice from my dad - mikethepom 17 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 1/31/2003 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE |
| 1 - Dreams & Visions VCD |
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| From: | dean.osborn @ bt.com <dean.osborn @ bt.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:06:45 -0000 |
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| Once again, if anyone in the UK does not yet have the DREAMS & VISIONS VCD, and would like a copy, please email me dean.osborn @ bt.com and I will tell you what to do to get a copy asap. thanks Dean | ||
| 2 - hard love/ true love XXX |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:39:54 -0800 (PST) |
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| Jennifer, > I’m not quite sure why this string of comments > struck me as offensive. I suppose this > makes me ponder the question: “What makes a > hardcore fan?” I agree with you, this weirdage of "hardcore" or better yet "true" fan is bizarre. It seems to more go along withe the actual full word, fanatic. >From what I can tell "hardcore" and "true" essentialy means: you are a mindless sloth who will suck, gobble and swallow up anything put in front of you because it has a certain name associated with it, or a certain musician, (writer, director, etc). One would think (but that _does_ take thinking) that a "true/hc" fan would use judgement and build (or have established) a line of critera in which the 'product' is deemed worthy of being a "fan" of. And if not, why? j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com | ||
| 3 - Musings |
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| From: | dean.osborn @ bt.com <dean.osborn @ bt.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:42:03 -0000 |
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| On yesterday's digest, EMIKATIE wrote " If you never listen to the music, did you still take a sale away? Did you still commit a crime? Did the record company lose anything if you never listen to it? Does the crime happen when you download the track or when you actually listen to the song without paying? " I could be wrong, but surely the mere act of downloading the song is the crime itself, not whether you actually listen to it or not. Since when was listening to music a crime ?? It's comparable to owning a TV and refusing to buy a licence on the grounds that you don't intend to watch the BBC channels. I'm sure that some people have tried that one before. and Loz wrote... " You remember 1994,1995, 96 96 98 99 etc, when we were here. We discussed a great band and its legacy and felt proud of just how good it was " Yes, it was somehow better then. In some ways I wish it had stayed that way. I'm looking forward more to Mike's new album than any new Cover 42 effort I have to say. BTW - was there ever a video made for WORLD MACHINE ? - since this was intended as a single at one point, and w/l promos were pressed ? Dean | ||
| 4 - Re: various artists |
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| From: | Adam Shearn <adam_shearn @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:19:40 -0000 |
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"You remember 1994,1995, 96 96 98 99 etc, when we were here. We discussed a
great band and its legacy and felt proud of just how good it was. Now, on the
web-digest ALL the discussion is on another band!"
Call me a whinging cynic (and many people do), but
surely there's only so much anybody can write about the old Level 42.
We've had a good ten years to get it out of our respective systems.
Without incessant ramblings about the current line-up's activities (real or
imagined), the digest would be limited to the usual merry go round of:
favourite/least favourite song/instrumental/other; Gould vs Husband;
reminiscing about obscure concerts in Holland that only 3 people went to; we all
hate RITF/Guaranteed/SATS; shame that Mark let his commercial interests get
in the way of his artistic ability etc etc
Actually perhaps we need two digests, one for the
old line-up and one for the new, just a thought.
Adam | ||
| 5 - all apologies |
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| From: | bunty omar <bunty @ mac-email.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:06:30 -0500 |
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| "I'm lost to the meaningness of this? Wimbish is no stranger to the 'pop' world (Madonna, Annie Lenox, Mick Jagger/Rolling Stones). So I dont know where "snobbery" would fit in. " Jesus - why don't I just f&cking kill myself for asking such a dumb question? Wimbish is in my top 5 bass players, I was just wondering what he liked about MKs style? Is that a crime - or is everyone on this digest to assume that everything they say will be scrutinised and ousted with some high-handed remark if the circle doesn't fit your square? (aka web digest) * There is a snobbery towards the band; drop the name L42 into a conversation down the pub and see what kind of reaction you get - MK said as much himself years ago regarding press attitude. --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- Free eMail and Web Site for Macintosh Users http://www.applelinks.com/ ---------------------------------------------------- The "iClock" on at the Applelinks Store http://store.applelinks.com/ ---------------------------------------------------- Web Hosting http://hosting.applelinks.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- | ||
| 6 - The Gauntlet, Zender, TCW and law of averages |
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| From: | Eric J. Hansen <ehansen @ worldmachine.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:36:10 -0500 (EST) |
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| AG wrote: > Nothing against Britney Spears. Seriously. I'd rather have my > vacuum-packed record company puppets squeaky clean and standing up for > virginity than a) hanging their arses out like Christina Aguilera or b) > making hackneyed stances of rebellion like Marilyn Manson. What, you didn't like the video for Dirrrrrty? (did I spell that correctly?) Jay Traci wrote: > What _is_ Stuart Zender doing these days? I had heard he was working on a solo album, but last time I checked for it on Amazon.com, there was nothing. I think he also married one of the ladies from some Brit-girlband-du-jour and had a child, so that probably has something to do with the hiatus. Loz wrote: > To tell you the truth, I have VERY little interest in the entity now > known as 'Level 42' - that's just my personal preference. ...and then... > Now, on the web-digest ALL the discussion is on another band! A band > which, actually, I don't think comes ANYWHERE NEAR THAT BAND WE'VE > BEEN DISCUSSING HERE FOR 10 YEARS - in terms of musicianship, style, > finesse, success ...and THEN... <gasp!> > Tell you what, I'm so happy the digest is back. Those fellows on the > web-digest are no longer my kin-folk! I have to say, they bring the worst > out in me. I like Mark's new band - they're great. But I'm on this forum > mainly because of my love for the original line-up. Thank goodness a good > few here share my sentiments. Theres this one guy on the web-digest - > I don't know who he is - he just won't allow me to like Mark Mike Phil & > Boon? I don't even want to go there! Is it just me here, or does it sound like Loz is throwing down the gauntlet? Who is this clown on the Web Digest that won't allow you to like the old line-up? Lets go pound his a**! But seriously folks... actually, I am serious! But seriously seriously, people clearly have their own opinions, and you can't fault that. While it might initially seem that folks here, on the email Digest, prefer the old stuff, I would be surprised if this is actually the case. I think it probably comes down to specific individuals and personalities who feel strongly enough about their preferences so as to argue (vehemently) one way or another. Loz, you are one of these people (god bless you), and clearly there are others with equally strong but different views. I suppose this is what keeps things interesting and lively here after so many years of (basically) talking about the same stuff. ...and finally... > Chinese Way video. The polydor vaults do list a video for the chinese > way - no one-s seen it, but Boon once told me that he thought they threw > something together for what was a 'surprise hit' Huh. This is a surprise, because if someone actually did shoot/produce a video, then you would think (!) that *someone* has actually seen it. So I assume you mean that no one in the general public has seen it (no, I'm not talking about the ska band.) Well, I have to give Loz credit here, since more often than not, his "fringe evidence", shall we say, has proven to be true. Will wrote: > I have always thought the Allan Holdsworth solos on Guaranteed sound > out of place, but then again you can't fault a band for experimenting > with their sound to move in new directions. Agreed. Its really only My Father's Shoes where he's got that wacky synth-axe solo thing that bugs me. Jennifer wrote: > Aren't all of us coming along for the ride? Ahh yes, and in reality, I seem to recall something called the FUNKY BUS. :) Steve wrote: > However, I must disagree with one of his subsequent statements "one out of > every two people you meet is below average." I will consider that here > he means intelligence, not height, musicianship, eye colour, or some > other variable. Perhaps this thread we might discuss later in the week. Steve, Steve.... Again, I'd expect this from AG... maybe even Loz... but... I think what David meant, more accurately, was "on average, 1 out of every 2 people you meet is below average." cheers, Eric | ||
| 7 - RE: 5 - PHIL WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!! |
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| From: | Nick Lauro <thedrumdoctor @ nlauro.f9.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:30:41 -0000 |
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| I pretty much agree with you on this one being a fan up to the point the Gould Bros departed. It just wasn't the same for me after that but having said that, there are plenty of satisfied customers post-Gould that have stayed loyal to Mark & Mike. Having recently finished reading the out-of-print Level 42 Bio, I think the direction of the band really couldn't have been safely put in the hands of the (3) Gould Brothers - as much as it galls me to say it - because they were both suffering from mental and physical health problems. There's no way anyone can go on in that sort of situation, where your reasons for actually playing an instrument in the first place are being challenged by the need to satisfy a record company's investment return ambitions. It's a catch-22 biting-the-hand-that-feeds scenario and despite how artistically strong willed and determined you may be, once that corporate machine starts picking up steam you cannot beat it. It will suck you in and spit you out if you don't willingly play its game. You simply cannot function in a touring/writing unit if all you feel is unhappiness - despite being commercially successful. Believe it or not, it is possible to get up on stage to a sell-out cheering audience and feel completely uncomfortable, if not physically sick. No doubt, Mark was the head-down-no-nonsense-determined driving force to take the unit to the level it needed to deliver what Polydor wanted, and nail a secure future. Mike seemed to be the piggy in the middle, Boon was on the verge of a nervous breakdown and Phil seemed to be the only person actively offering a challenge to Marks roller-coaster ride to corporate success. Something had to give. First it was Boons health and then it was Phil's. As much as Phil is a talented bugger, he's not a leader in the band sense. He may well need a certain amount of conflict to keep the creative juices flowing, but in the end it seemed like the negative side got the better of him. It was sad, because I reckon if they could have afforded to take a year off (no chance with Polydor snapping at their heels to keep the momentum going) they may well have been able to re-group and pick up, all a little older, all a little wiser. But it wasn't to be and despite Phil contributing to 'Forever Now', it seems that he and Mark have reached a point of no return as regards working together again. Everyone moves on in music and let's be thankful that we had the melting pot of 4 very talented musicians for an all but too short time. Until I read the Bio, I didn't realise just how talented a musician Mark King actually is. Tie this in with an almost aggressive and ambitious personality, there was no way he was going to lie back and let the possibility of world-wide record sales slip away - and you can't blame him. You really don't get many second chances in this game. I'm not fussed on the post-Gould brothers Level 42, or the latest 'Greatest hits' tour, but nevertheless, King has earned his place in the musicians hall of fame. It would be nice to see the other guys active again on regular touring basis, together or otherwise. Personally, I would really LOVE to see Phil out on the road again. It's time he came out to play and he'd be surprised how many drummers out there want to see his return to regular live playing. I live in hope... Nick | ||
| 8 - King, the King |
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| From: | tonydunne1 <tonydunne1 @ madasafish.com> |
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| Date: | Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:40:10 -0000 |
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| Hi there, Just in case anyone is interested, I went to a L42 gig late last year and Mr King has lost none of his talent. They did a 90 min set and it was AWESOME only a small gig (theatre) but the "sound" is there. Well worth catching if they are in your area. Tony | ||
| 9 - Guaranteed |
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| From: | Dave Mock <dfmock @ rocketmail.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:35:04 -0800 (PST) |
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| Hey, Micro-Kids: Re Angela Anderson's post on "Guaranteed:" There's a simple reason for the "Guaranteed" bashing: Much of it, with its rock flavour, glossy production and songwriting that's been questioned in a number of quarters (I cringe at "The Ape") is considered substandard L42. For many fans -- even those that got on board with "World Machine" -- the band they knew and loved "died" with that 1991 release. And there are a lot of hardcore fans on this Digest who cherish the roots of the band and who think "Guaranteed" sucks. Again -- I'm not that bothered by "Guaranteed," but if you want quintessential L42, that's found mostly in the early-mid 80s catalogue. I wouldn't be bothered by the slagging, though, Angela. If YOU know you love a song or album, there's not a damned thing that can be said here that can change what it means in your heart. That's what many of us keep in mind when some non-L42 fan bashes the band itself. TCOY, The Duke ===== "...brotherhood is not so wild a dream as those who profit by postponing it pretend." (Norman Corwin) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com | ||
| 10 - Roger And Me |
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| From: | Andrew Goodwin <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:13:53 +0000 |
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| >3 - various artists >From: Laurence Green < >laurence.green @ scottwilson.com> > >Let me be clearer - What's the purpose and approximate longevity of Mark >King's Level 42? A) to make money B) 5 years before they're playing holiday >camps. FIFTEEN YEARS AFTER THAT WE WON'T REMEMBER LEVEL 42 as Mark King, >Lydon Connah, Natan King et al. We'll talk about the real achievers! Laurence, much though I agree with you regarding current and previous line-ups, you're starting to sound more than a little mad here. Let's get this in perspective. In 20 years time I'll be astonished if there's more than about half a dozen of you left talking about Level 42. They were a decent enough band, but that's all – a pop band. >5 - The Allan Holdsworth Connection >From: Will Greer < >Will_Greer @ empowersolutions.com> > >I do think that while Gary Husband and some of the >later guitarists (Holdsworth, Murphy, Jakko, Topping) may have been more >accomplished players than Phil and Boon, the original foursome had a very >unique approach to writing and playing that was never matched thereafter. Indeed. I always thought that what Staring At The Sun and Guaranteed proved more than anything was that the original line-up was more than the sum of its parts. Without the Goulds, King and Lindup seemed to be searching for an identity. The other day somebody mentioned that nobody ever criticises Alan Murphy’s playing, and goodness knows why. His wretched caterwauling, marauding all over Staring At The Sun unchecked, was a most unpleasant surprise after the elegant understatement of Boon Gould. >7 - Hardcore Fan? >From: Jennifer Wilson < >jennifer @ thewilsonfamily.net> > >I’m not quite sure why this string of comments struck me as offensive. >I’ve removed other text between the sentences but these were the three >specific comments that struck me. I suppose this makes me ponder the >question: “What makes a hardcore fan?” Well said Jennifer. If there's one thing I loathe (and there isn't, on a good day there may only be a few hundred) it's the notion of the 'true' or 'hardcore' fan. "I slavishly and uncritically adore everything my idols produce therefore I am their biggest fan". If I were a performer I'd hate that. I'd go out of my way to make sure nobody in their right mind could like everything I did. A little while back I saw Question Time with Michael Moore from New York. After another speech of his criticising America’s policies, a member of the audience (an Englishman bizarrely) asked him why, if he 'hated' America so much, he didn't just go and live somewhere else. And his response was "Nothing is more patriotic than questioning my own government". >My question to everyone out there is, “What do *you* think makes a hardcore >Level 42 fan?” No such thing. As far as I'm concerned there are fans and non-fans and that's it. Ranking them according to their level of devotion is asinine. >9 - Favourite Songs? >From: David Buddy < >davidbuddy @ blueyonder.co.uk> > >I’ve been reading some of the messages regarding ‘what’s your favourite’ >and ‘what’s your least favourite’. It’s funny listening to the music of, in >my opinion, the best band on the planet ever and trying to decide what I >like and what I dislike. I’m sorry folks but I don’t look at the music in >that way at all. But surely you're not suggesting you don't apply ANY quality criteria at all? It's all just one big mass of blissed-out wondrousness? >11 - Just had to say somthing >From: Bob and Debra Deitrich < >deitrich @ adelphia.net> > >Guaranteed wasn't so bad. No, really, it was. You can repeat the above four words until you're blue in the face, but eventually the true horror of it will rise to the surface. Once every couple of years I listen to it again to make sure I haven't misjudged it. Last time I even resolved not to skip tracks when I couldn't tolerate them any more. But I just couldn't make it. Perhaps it's time to dust it off and give it another attempt. AG _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk | ||
| 11 - Trigonstock info |
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| From: | Nick Lauro <thedrumdoctor @ nlauro.f9.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:13:40 -0000 |
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| "I don't know the reason for Mark not playing, but I suspect that since it was Phil's gig he simply didn't ask Mark." Apparently, something has happened between Phil and Mark that prevents them ever wanting to work with each other again. I don't have a clue what's happened, but I would guess it must have something to do with royalties or erm.....a woman problem? I favour the former scenario after the legal stuff that went on to secure the rights to the band name. This could have forced all sorts of stuff to be scrutinised, renegotiated and finalised, such as royalties, copyright etc, who knows.....but once music lawyers enter the fray then you can be sure that people are going to be hurt. They play to win for their client and maybe Phil was on the losing team? Nick | ||
| 12 - RE: 5 - PHIL WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!! |
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| From: | Nick Lauro <thedrumdoctor @ nlauro.f9.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:14:30 -0000 |
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| I pretty much agree with you on this one being a fan up to the point the Gould Bros departed. It just wasn't the same for me after that but having said that, there are plenty of satisfied customers post-Gould that have stayed loyal to Mark & Mike. Having recently finished reading the out-of-print Level 42 Bio, I think the direction of the band really couldn't have been safely put in the hands of the (3) Gould Brothers - as much as it galls me to say it - because they were both suffering from mental and physical health problems. There's no way anyone can go on in that sort of situation, where your reasons for actually playing an instrument in the first place are being challenged by the need to satisfy a record company's investment return ambitions. It's a catch-22 biting-the-hand-that-feeds scenario and despite how artistically strong willed and determined you may be, once that corporate machine starts picking up steam you cannot beat it. It will suck you in and spit you out if you don't willingly play its game. You simply cannot function in a touring/writing unit if all you feel is unhappiness - despite being commercially successful. Believe it or not, it is possible to get up on stage to a sell-out cheering audience and feel completely uncomfortable, if not physically sick. No doubt, Mark was the head-down-no-nonsense-determined driving force to take the unit to the level it needed to deliver what Polydor wanted, and nail a secure future. Mike seemed to be the piggy in the middle, Boon was on the verge of a nervous breakdown and Phil seemed to be the only person actively offering a challenge to Marks roller-coaster ride to corporate success. Something had to give. First it was Boons health and then it was Phil's. As much as Phil is a talented bugger, he's not a leader in the band sense. He may well need a certain amount of conflict to keep the creative juices flowing, but in the end it seemed like the negative side got the better of him. It was sad, because I reckon if they could have afforded to take a year off (no chance with Polydor snapping at their heels to keep the momentum going) they may well have been able to re-group and pick up, all a little older, all a little wiser. But it wasn't to be and despite Phil contributing to 'Forever Now', it seems that he and Mark have reached a point of no return as regards working together again. Everyone moves on in music and let's be thankful that we had the melting pot of 4 very talented musicians for an all but too short time. Until I read the Bio, I didn't realise just how talented a musician Mark King actually is. Tie this in with an almost aggressive and ambitious personality, there was no way he was going to lie back and let the possibility of world-wide record sales slip away - and you can't blame him. You really don't get many second chances in this game. I'm not fussed on the post-Gould brothers Level 42, or the latest 'Greatest hits' tour, but nevertheless, King has earned his place in the musicians hall of fame. It would be nice to see the other guys active again on regular touring basis, together or otherwise. Personally, I would really LOVE to see Phil out on the road again. It's time he came out to play and he'd be surprised how many drummers out there want to see his return to regular live playing. I live in hope... Nick | ||
| 13 - I'm right with ya Bob/tales from the USA |
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| From: | surfer411 <surfer411 @ comcast.net> |
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| Date: | Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:41:27 -0500 |
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| I'm a new addition to the web digest and its been really cool seeing the L42 community so strongly represented. Reading Bob Deitrich's recent post about being a USA fan who never got to know anything current about the band was spot on. If you'll indulge me, I'll share what is probably a common story/theme among USA fans here back in the 80s when we simply couldn't get enough of the band no matter what we did. Something About You caught my ear in 85 as I was a teenager then. Great song. But it was me renting the Live At Wembly 87 video out of bored curiosity from the Blockbuster that (as Mark would understand) gave me the bottom jaw-dropping "DONG!" that sold me on the band. I was blown away at the musicianship and songs. It was like finding lost treasure. I watched that video COUNTLESS times, almost everyday. I kept it in my schoolbag and would watch it till the bell rang whenever a teacher had a VCR cart in their room and class finished early. I tried selling every kid I knew on L42, especially by showing them the bass solo. When college came, any musician from any band I befriended via my own band's activities I would pop that same video out to do the "No No No No... THIS is what Level 42 is actually about" and watch their mouths agape, especially watching Mark. Back to high school era though, I couldn't find out anything about the band, I signed up for the fan club, with which I would get those little fan club booklets about 9 months after they were current. I learned of Allan Murphy's death almost a year after it happened, and it was weirder since it took me forever to get the FAIT ACCOMPLI video. And what really took the cake was I missed seeing the SATS tour by 3 weeks near my hometown (Near Detroit, Michigan). I had no idea they were even touring (much less HERE) until I picked up a Rolling Stone that was sitting on my school teacher's desk for some weeks. I stared at that magazine for weeks thinking "I should browse that thing." Finally I do, see the listings of touring bands, and about put my head through the wall. I stopped getting fanclub stuff for some reason. Then one day I see 'Guaranteed' in the store, grab it, absorb it. I keep trying to find out more about L42, then see in a European music magazine my roommate owned that FN was coming out. I had my roommate buy it for me when he visited Spain one summer and then starting jamming FN. Not too long after that I hear in October of 94 they BROKE UP! AAAAAAGGGHHHHHH!!!! Oh well. All this frustration though wasn't too bad. I got to meet Gary and Allan Holdsworth when they played Ann Arbor Michigan in 92. What started as a shy attempt to get a fan letter I wrote to Gary via the soundguy ended up with me hanging out with them in the dressing room. Great guys. I ran across the street to buy a disposable camera, came back, took pictures with everyone in every combination, Allan even took one of Gary and I. Of course, none of them came out. The cheap camera didn't fare well in the dark lit club lighting. But I still have Gary's autograph. So I'm deciding (in order to keep my sanity) that all this happened because someday, karmicly, I'll meet or jam with all of them by sheer coincidence. Ha! But I when I visited London for the first time in 98, I spent my first 2 days tracking down Eagle Records to submit audition tapes to be Mark's drummer for his coming solo album/tour. I met a great guy named Joe Munz at Eagle who invited me to meet Mark at a lunch he was to have with him the following week, but I had to fly back home before then. Another close call. But on to Bob's comments; For me I agree that every album has numerous songs I love. Its about music plain and simple. I think Guaranteed's 'A Kinder Eye' is an incredible song, both musically and lyrically, and Allan's solo is just so passionate. Yes, 'The Ape' must have been created for the suits when they visited the studio that day to check on progress and radio potentials. But AKE is a wonderful example of hearing the great chemistry Allan and Gary share from their time and experience together. 'Overtime' is great pop. Lasso the Moon is splendid with a great lyrical vision. And with SATS, the title song, Gresham, Over There,... hell its musically a very valid and legit album. Compared to the beginning catalog? WAY different. But hey, a library with all the same books by the same authors written the same way would truly be a letdown and sad. What I find fun personally is listening to the various L42 albums and listening through the varying production glosses to still hear the consistent musical personalities (but with new traits of evolution) still inside the playing. I'm ordering the Reading DVD just to see this current lineup. I wanna see Mr. Pink live. I wanna see SOMETHING. Anything. I don't care, just give us U.S. guys something to see and enjoy. Which I'm we will. Because really, its all good. As long as any of the guys are playing and having a good time, then that's fine. Its about having a good time in the end, enjoying the moment(s), the interaction, the spirit of the musiking. Its the only thing they, or anyone, doing music can really, truly control. And with the internet, the artist can control so much more of their own work and product and also get it to the serious fans. And as we have seen (at least from this side of the pond), Mark has been doing this with the Trash demos and such. I hope the new material created by the current lineup comes soon and is full of vigor, conviction, passion, fun, and is creatively fulfilling for all involved. (And some seriously sweet funky chops thrown in wouldn't annoy any of us I'm sure either. ;) Cheers to all you L42 fans. Seriously, its very gratifying see your presence on the web after all these years feeling a lone fan, differing opinions or not. It boils down to that everyone really cares about the music... all of it... and the guys who made it. Sincerely, David Below | ||
| 14 - Misc. responses. |
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| From: | David Loundy <David @ Loundy.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:40:07 -0600 |
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| At 6:23 AM -0500 1/30/03, Level 42 Digest wrote: > >From: Andrew Goodwin <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com> >Do you mean David Loundy, cyberscurge of the electronic universe? If so, >prepare to be sued for Encoded Nomenclature Defamation. Mr. Goodwin, to remind you, you created a whole new verb for me. From Digest V99 #85: I have to say that I am getting a malevolent vicarious thrill from David's efforts, imagining the enormous hassle Ms Bowles has brought on herself just by being such a snotty, supercilious cow. Her original response was tantamount to saying "Yeah? What are you going to do about it?" To which David's response has been "Give you more grief than you dreamed possible could emanate from one man". One imagines she now wishes that several weeks ago she'd just agreed to sell the damn CD at 8.99. Excellent stuff. Next time someone pursues me to the point of insanity I shall consider myself soundly Loudied. >From: jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> > > Unfortunately, people >> really are ready to misattribute anything they can >> to your employer, >> even when to do so would be silly. > >And all the lawyers in the audience may now take a bow >for causing these kinds of things. I've never sued anyone. I can't say the same thing for some of my clients... >From: >alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca <alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca> >Hilarious _and_ educational! Who'd a thunk we'd get both of those at once >from a lawyer?! An accident, I assure you. As any of my former students can attest, those are two terms that are perhaps not the first they would choose to apply to me... (Don't believe me? Glutton for punishment? Experience it first hand-- http://www.qksrv.net/click-675341-42121?isbn=0890891109) >From: EMIKATIE @ aol.com <EMIKATIE @ aol.com> >Here's something to ponder...you download the latest album from a >current one-hit wonder group. You've taken away a sale from the >record company (their primary complaint). You've committed a >crime. If you never listen to the music, did you still take a sale >away? Did you still commit a crime? Did the record company lose >anything if you never listen to it? Does the crime happen when you >download the track or when you actually listen to the song without >paying? If you do the honorable thing and delete the tracks and >they still reside somewhere on your hard drive, can they still lock >you up? How do libraries get away with distributing media. Why >don't the publishers clamp down on them? Why don't they make >everyone that wants to read a book actually buy a copy? Oh, the >humanity!!! Yes. Yes. Yes. Download. Perhaps. The First sale doctrine or the equivalent. They can't. They'd like to. Copyright law is about control, not profit. Lost sales are relevant, but not determinant. At issue with MP3 distribution is the reproduction right. Absent an exemption of some sort, it is violated regardless of whether or not you listen to the files. At least in the U.S., criminal copyright infringement requires a sufficient volume of infringement, and it is the government that comes after you, not the RIAA. The RIAA can take away all your money, but it can't throw you in jail. Under the U.S. Copyright Act, a copyright holder has the right to make the first sale of a work, but not subsequent sales. This is why we have libraries and used book stores. You can't photocopy a whole library book, but you can lend it at will. Some countries have a lending right which results in taxes on library lending. Beware of digital rights management-- it allows copyright holders to license works (and charge for every viewing) rather than sell copies which can be later lent out. >From: Steve >Randall <Steve.Randall @ mouchel.com> > >I was interested in David Loundy's comments re employer's disclaimers. >Yes most of them do appear to be b*****ks to me also. > >However, I must disagree with one of his subsequent statements "one out >of every two people you meet is below average." I will consider that >here he means intelligence, not height, musicianship, eye colour, or >some other variable. Perhaps this thread we might discuss later in the >week. Yes. Part of the full saying I left out. In its unedited form, I should have said "remember, statistically speaking, one out of every two people you meet is below average. The problem is, they tend to cluster." --David-- -- _____________________________________________________________________ The Law Office of | WWW: http://www.Loundy.com/ | E-Mail: David @ Loundy.com David J. Loundy | Phone: (847) 242-0943 | 299 Vernon Ave., Glencoe, IL 60022 _____________________________________________________________________ | ||
| 15 - Doug vs Mark |
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| From: | mikethepom <mikethepom @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:45:11 -0800 (PST) |
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| >> Also, someone mentioned that Doug Wimbish liked MK's style - can you alaborate? I'm suprised someone from this stable would admit to it << That would be me. I was lining up to get his autograph on my Jungle Funk CD after a gig at the Basement here in Sydney and we had an exchange. I asked his opinion on Mark King and he said "Oh, he's a pretty good player - don't think he's done anything lately though." I told him he'd just released a solo album called One Man and Doug replied "Really? Cool, I'll have to check it out." Someone from 'this' stable? What stable's that then? I respect but strongly disagree with your opinion that Doug exists in some superior dimension to Mark but why would you assume that he wouldn't admit to liking someone with Mark's playing ability and style? I agree that Doug's a class act, but he'd be fuck all without his 57 effects boxes and daft expressions. And how many hit singles has he written? Cheers ~ Mike (Sydney City Milkman) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com | ||
| 16 - Advice from my dad |
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| From: | mikethepom <mikethepom @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:57:29 -0800 (PST) |
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| >>Bob and Debra Deitrich <deitrich @ adelphia.net><< My dad only ever gave me three bits of advice: 1. Never eat anything you can't pronounce; 2. Ignore people who wear sunglasses indoors; 3. Never trust anyone with a 'coupley' email address. Sorry Bob from VA. Cheers ~ Mike (Sydney City Milkman) Level 42 content? Okay ... um ... which of their albums made Mark's arse look the biggest? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com | ||
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