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| Topics for Friday, February 28, 2003 1 - White Funky - Alex Bartman 2 - Waterfalling, Drunks and Carparks, Yamaha Adverts - Steve Randall 3 - What on earth is going on ere then!!! - Richie Gray 4 - level 42 live @ the ace club 1983 brixton on dvd - =?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20Esprit?= 5 - (no subject specified) - Stephen.Whyte @ lpc.tv 6 - oh to be a blobel ! - Winston Walker 7 - re: False Worship at the Altar of Mark King - paul scarratt 8 - my comments (questionable S/N ratio) - Eric J. Hansen 9 - Re: Dan Nesselroth - ALLAN ROBERTSON 10 - Tragedy and Mystery - EMIKATIE @ aol.com 11 - Its Carnival Time - Monique Williams 12 - Happy Birthday, Phil - Matthew T. Blackmon 13 - JT - Glenn Jones 14 - white funky - Veen, Willem van der 15 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE for 2/28/2003 - Level 42 Digest MARKETPLACE |
| 1 - White Funky |
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| From: | Alex Bartman <Alexb @ hhs.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:41:09 -0000 |
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| Can someone please let me know how I can get hold of a copy of The White Funky - I've been a digest member for as long as I can remember but have never put 2 and 2 together and got round to asking!! ... Is it still available? Could someone let me know please. Thanks v v much Alex | ||
| 2 - Waterfalling, Drunks and Carparks, Yamaha Adverts |
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| From: | Steve Randall <Steve.Randall @ mouchel.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:12:25 +0000 |
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| Dear All I enjoyed and agreed with the very sensible posting from Paul Scarrat yesterday. Going back to the early days and set lists, I used to hate it when they played Eyes Waterfalling. I'm not sure why I don't like that track. It could be that it is tense, and a great relief when the bridge comes. Maybe it is that it seems to get nowhere. But at least I have tried to explain why I don't like it. I don't just announce that its rubbish. But here you have an instance of somebody not liking one of the early classics, let alone tracks from the "lost in the wilderness" or "deaththrows" periods. Most pieces of music seem to get somewhere. Consider a piece of music like a drunk walking across a car par. He will enter one corner and leave by some other exit but meander around inside, in some sort of constructive way, aiming for his exit. Maybe the drunk falls asleep in Eyes Waterfalling after finding his bottle and sitting down at the bridge! In fact, it does sort of peter out at the end. A note on gigs. I always used to look forward to October / November, the time of L42 tours. Only a few people went to more than 2 or 3 gigs. Any more was costly and overkill. But then one would here nothing for the rest of the year as they have never really been played much on the radio. Re Mark being the band, I remember the master class, on which I thought he sounded like the band. Then I heard the Mike Lindup comercials for Yamaha. He sounded like Level 42 all on his own too, and not a hint of slappy old bass at all! Steve Randall The information in this e-mail is confidential and intended to be solely for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain copyright and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee) please e-mail us at postmaster @ mouchel.com and delete the message from your computer; copying, distribution, use or disclosure of its contents is strictly prohibited. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption no responsibility is accepted for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice contained in any e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. In addition, no liability or responsibility is accepted for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Please note that for business purposes, outgoing and incoming emails from and to the company may be monitored and recorded. Mouchel Consulting Ltd, Registered Office : West Hall, Parvis Road, West Byfleet, Surrey UK KT14 6EZ Registered No : 1686040 | ||
| 3 - What on earth is going on ere then!!! |
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| From: | Richie Gray <thegrays @ chezzobronx.fsnet.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:07:07 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) |
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| 4 - level 42 live @ the ace club 1983 brixton on dvd |
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| From: | =?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20Esprit?= <kevinesprit @ yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:56:42 +0000 (GMT) |
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| hi i've just recieved a copy of level live @ the ace club in brixton 1983 on dvd from a "contact" in the USA.he'd like me to spread the word on this dvd.as far as i know it's only available on the NTSC format.works ok if you have a multi region player.the quality is good.if anyone is interested,email me privatley. thanks kev kev __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com | ||
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| From: | Stephen.Whyte @ lpc.tv <Stephen.Whyte @ lpc.tv> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:50:01 +0000 |
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I have to agree with AG regarding Dean's posting the other day. Dean, I think you hit the nail on the head with one of the most constructive posts i've read for a long time. At the same time, I would like say that if it wasn't for members like jt then this digest could become a boring read. I look forward to the digest popping into my inbox each morning to see who's written what. It'd be a shame if it lost it's edge. As long as postings don't become personal attacks on each other, then who's hurting? On a sarcastic note: Pete Devlin, I have three words I need to say to you mate: paragraphs, paragraphs, paragraphs. Matthew Areford wrote: >Top ten reasons why I am not a "hard core" fan - >10) Don't own "The White Funky" Matthew, "hardcore" or not, The White Funky is an essential part of any collection. I listen to it more often than A Physical Pressence and cannot reccomend it highly enough. Steve *************************************************************************** This email is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, you are in notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person: to do so could be a breach of confidence. Thank you for your co-operation. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of The RTL Group or its associated companies. Please contact our IT Helpdesk on +44 (0)20 7691 6996 or e-mail support.it @ fremantlemedia.com if you require further assistance. *************************************************************************** | ||
| 6 - oh to be a blobel ! |
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| From: | Winston Walker <winman42 @ comcast.net> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:00:10 -0500 |
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| Don, Jon Stewart didnt host because the Grammy folks decided to just let various 'ny voices' do the intro. And seeing how they only gave away 10 awards on the actual show, it didnt matter. They said they were concentrating on the live performances. I didnt see it anyway. ;-( Dan, i understand how u feel, but i just dont agree with you. Phil and Boon sold the rights to the name, such a LONG time ago, when they originally left the band. So if either of them had a problem, then was the time to speak up. They didnt have a problem with Mark and Mike continuing the band, so why should we? Any why is Level 42 a GOULD family band? I was always under the impression that the orig 4 got together to jam, when Mike set up a room for them at GUidhall? I didnt know it was already a GOULD band, and Mark & Mike joined. It was Boon and Mark who were really the friends i believe. I'm sorry folks, but i dont subscribe to this 'MK will sully the name' stuff. Regardless of what Mark, Mike, Phil, or Boon does in the future, it has NOTHING to do with what the original lineup achieved in the past. Those records are still on the shelf, and sound exactly the same to me. IN truth, i dont think many people who go to the shows give a damn. A huge portion of them dont even know all the bands names to begin with. The fact of the matter is this..MOST bands are gonna be known by the guy who sings the songs..regardless of what else they do.. which is why i think Mark and Mike were always gonna be in the spotlight. Obviously Mark's bass playing talent made the spotlight shine a little harder on himself, so he gets remembered a bit more than the others. I recall seeing DA LATA in Central PArk a few years ago, and 2 girls behind me recognized that it was 'that guy' from Level 42 playing the keyboards. (so the other members do get noticed as well) Marks solo albums were not the greatest in the world...i agree. Trash was unfinished demos, hence the name. One Man being compared to the other level 42 ouput is pointless, since it came sooo long after, and INFLUENCES was done so quickly. But i really like that album, but realize the jazz fusion flavor is not everyones cup of tea. For my money CHANGES is still the best thing to come from the band, as a solo effort. Having said that, listening to Mark's solo efforts doesnt mean that it's obvious that other band members were more responsible for the sound, than he was. It's a band, so i think all of them had a good deal on input. Lyrics are very important, but so is the melody, and i'd guess that Mark had more input in this area than any of the other band members. If you look at all of the credits on all of the songs, he had his hand in more songwriting credits than most. I really dont know how much any of these guys contributed, as we are not privy to the songwriting process, or what they did in the studio. Also, until Phil does something else, we might never know. If Phil releases a bunch of dud albums, are we to rethink his position in the band, and say 'hmmm, maybe it was the other guys after all'? My last point is regarding Mark's use of the name again. Lots of people just assume he aquired the rights, so he could make a ton of money on the name. Well, he didnt start using it right away, with the exception of 'level 42's mark king'. My understanding is that Mark's aquisition of the name, was only at the request of certian parties who were funding the tour. Which makes sense to me, if i'm putting up the cash, i want name recognition the band had, because even if people know mark king, they know the band name more than any members name. I still like the original band, and i think the current band is doing a good job, playing the old material. HOpefully if a new lp comes out, it will feature the new band, since the old band has no interest in reforming. BUt they are separate things, so i dont compare them to each other. just my opinons. Win | ||
| 7 - re: False Worship at the Altar of Mark King |
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| From: | paul scarratt <paulscarratt @ ntlworld.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:56:13 -0000 |
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What a load of cr*p! That message must have been posted in jest! Paul | ||
| 8 - my comments (questionable S/N ratio) |
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| From: | Eric J. Hansen <ehansen @ worldmachine.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:00:55 -0500 |
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I'm catching
up on my Digests for the past... err... week+, and I've got various
responses.
Mikey
Payne wrote:
If anybody would
like to me to check out some fares, (no cost for digesters of course, I waive my
commission) for L42 UK summer dates or even Indonesia - I would be happy to find
you something you can afford!
What a good
bloke! :) FYI I've worked with Mike before to get tix, and he does a
good job (consider this the BBB of the
Digest... that's Better Business Bureau for the non-US folks.)
Danny
wrote:
I thoroughly
enjoyed reading Mikes e Mail and he raised some very good points. I have
to say that I wasn't aware how many of you in USA traveled back to UK to see
gigs ....you guys are 'true fans'
...either true fans
or true suckers... you decide. But seriously, I would have to add
that if it weren't for the great social aspect at/around these shows, making the
cross-Atlantic trip would probably not be worth the effort. For me, its
the welcoming and hospitable vibe of the UK and European folks that really make
these trips worthwhile.
Monique
wrote:
And of course we'll
all add Fagan's Nightfly (has the double-incentive of reminding us of AG's more
pleasant posts.) Speaking of Nightfly, I just read the other day that they are
releasing (or already have) an HDCD version - that's high def CD, which far
greater clarity/quality than the standard CD. What are the chances that
we'll see a Level 42 reissue on HDCD?
Bill Miller
wrote:
Certainly the latter if you support
Oxford United especially when you can only force a draw to the team at the foot
of the table....hehe.
See, all it takes is a bit of sports talk to awaken
the great Bill Miller... :) hehehe. Hi Bill!
Winston wrote:
And MIkey...the audience sitting in the READING DVD doesn't spoil the gig
for me one bit.. I'm actually watching the
band on stage, not the people in the
audience. ;-)
For me (watching the
DVD), it makes it look like a meeting of the knitting club. If the cameras
were just fixed on the stage, it would be one thing, but they film the audience
many times, and you don't do that unless you are trying to capture and portray
the "live" aspect of the show. In this specific [DVD's] case, it detracts
from the sense of "live energy" that I sense while sitting in my living room
watching this show. Just kind of makes it a bit staid.
Jay Traci
wrote:
I don't agree
with that, frankly I find all 3 sub-par musicians. For them to get a record deal
of any kind would be _far_ harder than getting some cuts on a "Level 42"
release.
While I agree that
it would be nearly impossible for these guys to get a recording contract, I'd
argue it has little to do with their musicianship. Have you listened to the radio in the past, err, 10 years? Seems like chops have been replaced
with T&A as the main requirements for getting a recording contract (not
that I'm knocking T&A). My opinion is that these three guys are good
musicians... perfect, in fact, for the current lineup as a cover
band. I think they would be very suitable for a new MK-related studio
recording effort as well, particularly since this is probably less challenging
than playing live (although I don't have first hand studio experience to back up
this statement... someone will surely correct me here.) Doesn't it
really come down to the material more so than the mucianship? (or
actually, material and then musicianship are distant 2nd and 3rd requirements
after the T&A, as mentioned above.)
MIkey
wrote:
Antiquated,
perhaps - but at the end of the day if I have to fly to London every November
for the rest of my life to see L42 on stage - then so be it!
But Mike
(referencing my comments above), would you continue to do this if (a) you didn't
know anyone in the band, and/or (b) didn't know anyone else attending the show,
and/or (c) didn't have such an effervescent personality that enabled you to make
friends and have loads of fun if even at an insurance salesman's
conference.
Again, for me, the
draw to see the shows is at least 50% because of the surrounding social aspect
and events (I.e., we've coined this "Levelfest" stuff.) If it were just
me, attending the shows, with all of the incentive being "just the show", then I
couldn't possibly justify spending the time/$ to fly over. If there were
playing in downtown Boston (or even NYC), then I'd make the trip... but
otherwise I would probably wouldn't. Of course this all assumes "same old
stuff", no new material, etc. And of course no pyrotechnics at the
show... (sorry, off color joke here.)
Let's go with an
idea that Carl Mueller has been throwing around for what seems like forevernow -
getting all the digest fans together and fundraise (get the $$$$$$) and make a
US appearance happen - that may be the only way! I am willing to put
my money where my big mouth is! Let the "BRING MK TO AMERICA CAMPAIGN
BEGIN!!!!!!!!!"
Oh, groan,
yawn.... I think the cost-per-attendee for this would exceed that of just
traveling to the UK (or India for that f*ing matter!)
Matt B aka Zaphod
wrote:
I wanted to take
a moment to let the persons on the list who know me know that as of 8:33 AM
Wednesday, 19 February, I am the proud father of a wonderful baby girl- Mya
Sonali Blackmon
Congratulations,
Matt!
Jay Traci
wrote:
I'm waiting for
the Deluxe Limited Edition signed by Herr Hanson hard cover edition. Any "true"
fan would...
Finally, my ship has
come in! Anyone interested in this limited edition please send me your CD
+ US$100 for prompt service.... or wait for the eBay edition, soon to
be selling for $200.
FYI I've got to say
that nothing interests me more (on the Digest) than some good old fashioned
difference of opinion.
Re: Jennifer
Norwood's "What Makes A Great Level 42 Song"... great
list/criteria! Now all you need to do is go through their entire back
catalog and rate every song... :) Then we can once and for all
"rate" their albums best-to-worst. And also, you could probably come up
with a similar set of criteria for live shows... I.e., % of audience
standing vs. sitting, thickness (mm) of set list lamination, etc. [ed
note: am I being sarcastic here... or not? You
decide.]
Dean O
wrote:
As we head
towards another pointless war it's healthy to debate all this stuff, it's what
we gather on the digest for every day, it keeps us sane , takes our mind off
things and it's fun. It;s also good to keep it all in context and not take it
too seriously really. I guess each and every person here ought to question what
Level 42 and it's music really means to them, and what, to them also, is most
important in respect of what I've mentioned above. We will all have differing
opinions that's for sure, and I'm glad it's that way, there would be no digest
if we all agreed all the time.
AMEN!
Lolita wrote:
(re: 'Cog shows in March)
Eric are you
still trying to come?
I *want* to go, and
am looking for travel deals, but at this time I'm still
uncommitted.
David Buddy
wrote:
In case anybody
hasn’t noticed, he’s still touring and TRYING to please the rather impatient
fan-base he’s built up over the last twenty odd years. So for Christ sake folks,
get off the guy’s back and give him a break eh!
Lets differentiate
"trying to please" and "trying to placate" (while making a buck in the
process).
If people are
yearning for new material (which is clearly the case), then I think MK needs to
be motivated to produce some.
Two very powerful
motivators for taking action, I.e., to produce new material:
1) anger (at
comments appearing on this Digest)
2) disgust (over the
realization that he's been playing the same-old-stuff the same-old-way for years
now)
Two significant
reason why people fail to act (again, in the context of MK producing new
material):
1) fear (people
won't like it, won't buy it, and I'll lose my money and
fame...)
2) apathy (what's in
it for me? I can't see the obvious upside... $ or
otherwise)
So, who wants to
start a wager pool about when/if new material will surface?
Oh and before
anyone immediately starts dissecting this e-mail and replying with their own
brand of wit, you know who you are. I didn’t write it to upset anyone, or to
have a particular go at anyone. It was just to add a neutral train of thought to
it all, honest.
Neutral schmeutral. Lets get it on! Witness how
many people come out of the woodwork to write thoughtful, interesting content
when they read something that they really dis/agree with (myself
included.)
cheers,
Eric | ||
| 9 - Re: Dan Nesselroth |
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| From: | ALLAN ROBERTSON <allanmrobertson @ mail.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:16:47 -0500 |
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>BECAUSE LEVEL 42 ARE THE GOULD BROS AND BADAROU!!! Just because >Mark King was the lead singer many of you feel he is the CORE of >the band, it's main spirit. THis is untrue. The band is a Gould >family creation, and although Marks contribution is massive, MARK >KING SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHTS TO THE BRAND NAME LEVEL 42!! But where are the gould brothers & wally now? Phil has made it clear he does not like touring - so its getting less likely each year that they will reform with mark. Mark is entitled to use the name whether he "secured","purchased", whatever, as the rest have shown no interest in obtaining the name and good luck to mark. Surely if the current lineup carries on, its better than nothing. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup | ||
| 10 - Tragedy and Mystery |
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| From: | EMIKATIE @ aol.com <EMIKATIE @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:58:53 EST |
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| Can anyone explain why Jon Stewart didn't host as he was supposed to? Perhaps I can. When he learned Norah Jones (should that be Snore-a-Jones)? was going to win all those Grammy's he decided he just didn't want to be part of the show. I don't care if she is Ravi Shankar's daughter, she puts me to sleep. If she's the '"best" current music has to offer in all those categories, we're all in trouble. Sweet little Avril was at least a breath of fresh air and I believe she either writes or co-writes her material to boot!! Same with John Mayer. The record companies decry lost CD sales and then put up for the world to see just how terrible the current popular music scene is via the Grammy Award winners. Stewart tried to disassociate himself from that mockery. I've recently heard rumors that someday Bono hopes to be as big as Eminem is. (whew - now I feel better) JM | ||
| 11 - Its Carnival Time |
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| From: | Monique Williams <mowllms @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:07:54 -0800 (PST) |
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| Hey there fellow Digesters?I was wondering if any of you guys were coming to MARDI GRAS in NEW ORLEANS? After All,As the song goesAW BECAUSE ITS CARNIVAL TIME and EVERYBODIES HAVING FUN!!! PEACE and GOOD CHEER TO ALL^MO P.S. What are YOU giving up for Lent? --- jessicanue @ hotmail.com <jessicanue @ hotmail.com> wrote: > Okay, these are pictures from my oldest brothers birthday (Hugo). I gave him nerd glasses for his birthday, and well......he thought it would be funny to greet the rest of the family this way....my mother just about passed out! So, no, he doesnt look like that in real life. Although, it sure was funny! > The next few pictures are my sister-in-law Yoshiko and their baby Kalina. Kalina is now 6 1/2 months old. Talk about cute! She even gave her dad a PUHLEASE look when he wore the glasses. > Enjoy! - J MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ | ||
| 12 - Happy Birthday, Phil |
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| From: | Matthew T. Blackmon <segoy @ firesermon.com> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:31:13 -0500 |
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Just a quick note to
the list:
Mr. Phil Gould- have
a happy birthday chap!
Regards,
Matthew
Blackmon | ||
| 13 - JT |
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| From: | Glenn Jones <GlennWJones @ bigpond.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:02:02 +1100 |
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| >>Opinions are fine jt but the rubbish you are sending to the digest at the moment is just irritating and with no >>substance of well backed up reasoning. >>Maybe your time would be better used studying what 'kiddie pop' really is and getting back to us all in a few >>months with your findings. Have to agree with this, his comments seem to be deliberately aggressive and argumentative.We are all of course entitled to our own opinions, just a shame that some folks can't be a little more friendly and constructive in the process. If you want to talk about " Kiddie pop ", take a look at the UK charts at the moment, not Mark King's band ! [Glenn Jones] Deliberately aggressive and argumentative seem to be the words I've been looking for for ages now. I dare say he will not let any of us have the last word though, he never usually does. I would suggest some councelling, or reading a few chapters of his blessed Freud which he harps on about in his usual condasending, holier than thou, I am better than all you lot put together, manner. And que JT ...... | ||
| 14 - white funky |
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| From: | Veen, Willem van der <w.van_der_veen @ services.nedtrain.nl> |
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| Date: | Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:01:01 +0100 |
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Many moons ago my neighbour
worked for a tv-company.
He once asked me to step in for
a business-runningevent as his partner was ill. So i decided to ran the lungs
out of my body and finished my 10 kilometer in a sharp 38 minutes. ( i won
gold ;-) )
After the event we had some
drinks ( read; beers!) and were dicussing music. he told me he knew a guy who
had a list of cd-bootlegs
He instantly phoned him to ask
if there was any boot of L42 on the list and gues what; the white funky was on
it. He ordered it, and a week later i got from him as a gift for my input at the
running event.
Now i dont know how many copys
are made but does anyone know who were involved in this ?
And if there are no so many
copies; what would it be worth ? ( or what would you pay for it
?)
cheers
Willem.
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