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Wednesday, December 25, 2002 |
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| Today's Topics 1 · objects in rearview mirror are larger than they appear · jt 2 · lineups · Stephen.Whyte @ lpc.tv 3 · hot water vs sandstorm · Veen, Willem van der 4 · Merry Christmas · Jason & Sherry 5 · A Christmas Carol · alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca 6 · Gary Vs Phil etc · mark.summers1 7 · LEVEL 42 LIVE IN HANOVER - 3 DECEMBER & OTHER STUFF · Dannymkavanagh @ aol.com 8 · new CD · MGechou @ t-online.de (Maria Gechou) 9 · Bullsh*t · DonZipf @ aol.com |
| 1 · objects in rearview mirror are larger than they appear |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:22:02 -0800 (PST) |
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> I have to say that I think the rants you hear about > "old vs. new", > "original linup vs. the new lineup", etc. all come > down to one thing: > fans thinking in the past, No, this comes from fans being critical at what is being offered to us TODAY. I am little to no use for rear-view mirrors. While some here obviously do, my judgemnet is strictly based in the hear (literally) and now. > Also, in my opinion, if we can't embrace the present > lineup, then we > don't really have any business complaining about 'no > new material', etc. I see no correlation between the two, except for the fact that one could be a result of the other. Cover42 may not inspire MK enough to push forward with new stuff, or "progress" as some seem to think the slogging of 'greatest hits' is... ciao, j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com | ||
| 2 · lineups |
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| From: | Stephen.Whyte @ lpc.tv <Stephen.Whyte @ lpc.tv> |
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| Date: | Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:03:44 +0000 |
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I've got to agree with Loz really. I find it hard to believe that Lyndon, Nathan and Gary have it in them to write an album of the quality of TPOA or SITL or TC or even WM. I like optimism, I want Mark and his new band to do well, but it takes more than a name and a reputation built on past achievements. Some bands can go through lineup changes and still survive and some can't. It really depends on the members who stay and the members who go. Some examples off the top of my head - Oasis have managed it, (new guitarist and bassist but still Oasis because it's Noel and Liam who count), while Guns 'n' Roses haven't, (Axl is not enough on his own - surely not the same without Slash, Duff etc). I'm sure you guys can think of other examples too. It's a fact that Mark alone was not/is not Level 42. Mark, Mike, Phil and Boon (and Wally) were a songwriting team who created some fantastic music that - let's face facts - is the reason we're on this digest. Looking to the future is all very well, but it's impossible to even consider Level 42 without involving the past, because it's why this digest exists. As I said, I'm an optomistic guy at heart, (the glass is always half full), but the current lineup is not Level 42, it's Grupo Mark King with a name change. The Jazz Cafe gigs were far better than the Greatest Hits tour because of this very reason - Mark King played Mark King material. Sure he played some old school Level 42 too, but he's allowed to, as are Mike, Phil and Boon. The way forward for the 'new' Level 42 is to write some new material, whenever that may be, and for us to judge them on it. But if they insist on using the band name, then comparisons are inevitable and wholly justified. I interpreted Marks message to us last year like this - new material would be written at some point, and it would involve original members where possible. Mark would then tour the new material with the current lineup - am I wrong? Anyway, hope you all have a good Christmas and I look forward to reading your responses in the new year. Steve *************************************************************************** This email is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, you are in notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person: to do so could be a breach of confidence. Thank you for your co-operation. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of The RTL Group or it's associated companies. Please contact our IT Helpdesk on +44 (0)20 7691 6996 or e-mail support.it @ fremantlemedia.com if you require further assistance. *************************************************************************** | ||
| 3 · hot water vs sandstorm |
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| From: | Veen, Willem van der <w.van_der_veen @ services.nedtrain.nl> |
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| Date: | Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:19:23 +0100 |
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If im correct Mike came up with the sequence in Hot Water. And old idea
wich was brought under the attention again.
The bassline is very similar to Sandstorm so this must be a very old line
then ?
I was thinking that someone once had this great thread about the one man
lyrics, about that Winetoo qetsoquetel or whatever the words are. Maybe that
post is saved to any hhd ? I thought it was quite interesting; considering
the fact that he spent a couple of minutes to it and came up with this huge
story !!!
Btw have a merry christmas.
Willem.
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| 4 · Merry Christmas |
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| From: | Jason & Sherry <jasonandsherry @ earthlink.net> |
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| Date: | Tue, 24 Dec 2002 05:55:29 -0800 |
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"Merry Christmas, y'all!" Jason & Sherry :-) | ||
| 5 · A Christmas Carol |
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| From: | alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca <alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca> |
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| Date: | Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:05:18 -0500 |
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>From: the LozMan > >The web-digest is over-run by Mark King fans and I am now finding it >hard to fit in. Mike Phil and Boon receive all the respect expected for >musicians who 'once played with Mark' - it's sad. Loz! Well said! The man can be eloquent when he's passionate. (Ooh, er.) And I liked your list of players: >Allan Holdsworth >Neil Conti >Frank Tonto >Gavin Harrison >Dominic Miller >Danny Bloom >Lyndon COnnah >Nathan King >Gary Barnacle >Kris Mach >Steve Topping >Sean Freeman >Annie McCaig but, I'm afraid to admit, I can't say I know who Frank Tonto is. Give us a hint. Winman42 wrote: >i went to the man >him self with the question. According to the leader >of the band, the only thing they ever did was have >some specially recorded backing vox used on some of >the choruses, to fatten the sound. Never any instruments. I must be missing something here, 'cause we _know_ that's not true. There are keyboards a-plenty happening during many songs, and clearly there is no on-stage human playing the parts. Eric, the most fabulous master of this digest, wrote: >Also (just for arguments sake ;), if you had grown up hearing Level >42 all along with Lyndon, Gary, and Nathan as the "original" lineup, >and then only just recently heard the band with Phil, Boon and Mike, >which lineup would you have preferred?? That's easy: the Gould-ful lineup. All the post-Gould players range from good to un-freaking-believably great players, but the original line-up was full of drummers, and that's what gave it the rhythmic intricacy and groove that grabbed me way back in the day. ...Alex... | ||
| 6 · Gary Vs Phil etc |
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| From: | mark.summers1 <mark.summers1 @ ntlworld.com> |
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| Date: | Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:05:55 -1000 |
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| My two pence worth on the Gary v Phil debate. One held back and played economically otherwise the sound would be too cluttered and the other tries to out do King in a competition on who can cram the most notes in. Give me Phil anyday. Simple but effective. For me, maybe wrongly, I always considered Level 42 to be Mark King. All the others could leave and be replaced (as they did) and the band could continue but if Mark left he couldn't be replaced and they could never carry on. I'm probably being ignorant but I am a die harder, into them from day one(ish). | ||
| 7 · LEVEL 42 LIVE IN HANOVER - 3 DECEMBER & OTHER STUFF |
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| From: | Dannymkavanagh @ aol.com <Dannymkavanagh @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:07:30 EST |
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| Believe me when I say that watching Level 42 in Hanover, Germany (audience approx. 300 hard-core german fans) and with the greatest hits being played I was in 7th heaven. It was fantastic to meet the group after the show and the autographs I received and the moments I had speaking with the band afterwards will be moments I will treasure forever. I am already disappointed with some of the comments I have seen posted here already....Yes it is fact that the original line up was the band at its best. IMO I also believe that their early albums up to and including World Machine was their best music but if it wasn't for Mark taking the Level 42 'name' on the road we wouldn't have had the opportunity to relish music of a bygone age. I have now seen the band live 4 times. 1983, 1984, 1988 and 2002. I have never been disappointed at any of the concerts no matter what the line up was. I grew up with their music and continue to do so. Mark..... just keep on rocking and the rest of you...stop 'knocking' the new line up. Danny | ||
| 8 · new CD |
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| From: | MGechou @ t-online.de (Maria Gechou) <MGechou @ t-online.de (Maria Gechou)> |
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| Date: | Tue, 24 Dec 2002 23:13:01 +0100 |
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Hi Folks
I´m from Germany and read the messages with a lot
of interest.
DEAN... a new CD will come out in 2003. Mark told
me that in Cologne after the show in Nov 02.
Greetings to all L42 friends
and funky x-mas
Maria | ||
| 9 · Bullsh*t |
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| From: | DonZipf @ aol.com <DonZipf @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:02:55 EST |
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| > According to the leader of the band, the only thing they ever did was > have some specially recorded backing vox used on some of > the choruses, to fatten the sound. Never any instruments. That is bullsh*t, even if it came from MK himself. When I mentioned to Nathan that I liked having both him and Jakko playing guitars so that two guitar songs like "Keep Climbing" could be played without one coming from a backing track, his response was "Well, this way keeps the costs down, plus you get to hear the original guitar track from the album." Besides, you think I can't tell when I'm hearing a guitar track and no-one on stage is playing? If Mark told you that, either Alzheimers is setting in, or he thinks we're all stupid! Maybe he doesn't want to get a Britney Spears reputation for fakery. |
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