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Tuesday, December 24, 2002 |
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| Today's Topics 1 · Out of the loop · Laurence Green 2 · the future · jt 3 · the future (second try) · jt 4 · backing stuff · Winman42 5 · re: Lyndon vs. Mike and related rants · Eric J. Hansen 6 · Lyndon Connah - Steeping in Mikes shoes?!! · Mr David F Jacobs 7 · The Silmarillion · alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca 8 · 24th · Monique Williams |
| 1 · Out of the loop |
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| From: | Laurence Green <laurence.green @ scottwilson.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:46:46 -0000 |
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Hi
All,
I'm
only receiving the digest sporadically? Any reason for
that???
The
web-digest is over-run by Mark King fans and I am now finding it hard to fit in.
Mike Phil and Boon receive all the respect expected for musicians who 'once
played with Mark' - it's sad. As I said on the web-digest - Mark and Mike CANNOT
write a classic Level 42 album - You need input from Goulds for that. Of all the
original members, I am 100% convinced that person who had his finger on the
pulse of Level 42 the most was Phil. Get Phil involved - you've got another
Forever Now on your hands. Mark King, Gary Husband, Lydon Connah, Nathan King -
a great night out, nostalgic to hear the old songs etc - but people on the
web-digest are seriously trying to convince me that these guys should be
considered as much a part of the fabric of Level 42 as ML, PG, BG? After 9 years
of spending time on-line amongst (in the main) like minded people - little did I
know that this whole respect thing for Level 42 could hop on the next train out
of town NO MATTER WHO IS DRIVING! Were we deluded all along?
I
gotta say, for me, Level 42 is the original 4 - I've a special place for Gary,
Alan Murphy and Jakko, Wally of course. The only four other who I thing can say
they were part of Level 42. This new band is a contrivance, a faction, a
bastardisation. A good one though. But I for me, Lydon, Nathan, Sean go in this
list:
Allan
Holdsworth
Neil
Conti
Frank
Tonto
Gavin
Harrison
Dominic Miller
Danny
Bloom
Lyndon
COnnah
Nathan
King
Gary
Barnacle
Kris
Mach
Steve
Topping
Sean
Freeman
Annie
McCaig
and
all the other peripheral characters - for me, just a footnote in the
band's history.
Many
now just see Mark as Level 42. I think they're looking through Phil tinted
spectacles. As I've said before, Mark on his own has yet to prove he can produce
anything anywhere near the VERY HIGH standards of Forever Now (OK, for me, the
title track is the weakest song). His only totally individual solo album to
date, Trash, falls below Changes, One Man, Tin Man, Influences in my play list.
Even Mark and Mike's best offering, Guaranteed, is the weakest Level 42 album
for me. Mark is a demi-god as laying down music for brit-funk,
white-funk, disco-jazz - call it what you will. But that's not all the
ingredients of Level 42. You need the lyrics of Boon and/or Phil, you need
the immeasurable influence of Phil on the entire sound, and you've just got to
have one Mike song. Leave to simmer for a year, then serve
chilled.
L()Z
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| 2 · the future |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:54:53 -0800 (PST) |
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JT, one of the reasons i can think of MK not disclosing new material is this. I think that if he were to do a new lp, with major label involvement, he would want the deal to be exactly to his liking. i.e. he would have say in the single(s), have decent promo, and video production, etc. If he doesnt get this, he wont do a deal. He prob doesnt see a point in telling a million people that there will be a new album, when in fact he doesnt yet know. Sure seems easier to say no at this time, instead of having to answer follow up questions a million times..like when, who is gonna write, who is gonna perform, when is it coming, etc, etc, etc. > Stop having a go at him because steeping into > Mike's shoes was no easy thing and I think under > the circumstances he is doing great job. He is > a lot more talented than many people realise. > > ..where's your Christmas spirit ??!! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com | ||
| 3 · the future (second try) |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 23 Dec 2002 04:05:13 -0800 (PST) |
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| Sorry about sending that nonsense out, Yahoo decided to send a mail with the push of 'enter'...classy... (Eric, if you catch that, you can also edit out this silly paragrah) anyway, hey Win, good point(s)... > he would want the deal to be exactly to his liking. >i.e. he would have say in the single(s), have decent >promo, and >video production, etc. If he doesnt get this, he wont >do a deal. hence, no future deal. MK, nor Cover 42 has this kind of pull. >He prob doesnt see a point in telling a million >people that there >will be a new album, when in fact he doesnt yet know. Very possible, but I would hope he would at least tell us, 'well, I'm working on some things, hopefully we'll have something for you (the fans)...soon (or add your favorite non-specific timepoint word here)'. >Sure seems easier to say no at this time, 'not a priority' is a bit more testy than no, no? Kinda shitty, too. Guess we'll just have to wait for Godot. [lyndon] >I think under > the circumstances he is doing great job. He is > a lot more talented than many people realise. yes, under the circumstances of being a sub-par player and having little to no vocal range he is super. > ..where's your Christmas spirit ??!! Well, you may be aware that his isn't everyone's holiday, nor do some people feel that the markings on a kalander should effect/affect their day-to-day. Shall I be placating (ie. full of crap) instead? Maybe in June... j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com | ||
| 4 · backing stuff |
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| From: | Winman42 <winman42 @ comcast.net> |
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| Date: | Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:29:55 -0500 |
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| Don, instead of killing myself, i went to the man him self with the question. According to the leader of the band, the only thing they ever did was have some specially recorded backing vox used on some of the choruses, to fatten the sound. Never any instruments. Interesting. Win http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mc.asp?alias=winman42&type=O&sc=C&ls=T | ||
| 5 · re: Lyndon vs. Mike and related rants |
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| From: | Eric J. Hansen <ehansen @ worldmachine.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:45:10 -0500 (EST) |
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| Anthony Kay wrote: > I saw Lyndon play on Friday for the Here and Now concert in Brighton. I > wanted to say hi at the end but missed him. > > Stop having a go at him because steeping into Mike's shoes was no easy > thing and I think under the circumstances he is doing great job. He is > a lot more talented than many people realise. > > ..where's your Christmas spirit ??!! I have to say that I think the rants you hear about "old vs. new", "original linup vs. the new lineup", etc. all come down to one thing: fans thinking in the past, and not towards the future. If you picked any one point in Level 42's history and said "starting now, I don't like the 'new sound' or the 'new lineup'" and stopped listening, then surely you would have missed out on some great material/shows that followed. Also, in my opinion, if we can't embrace the present lineup, then we don't really have any business complaining about 'no new material', etc. Also (just for arguments sake ;), if you had grown up hearing Level 42 all along with Lyndon, Gary, and Nathan as the "original" lineup, and then only just recently heard the band with Phil, Boon and Mike, which lineup would you have preferred?? Just my .02 cheers, Eric | ||
| 6 · Lyndon Connah - Steeping in Mikes shoes?!! |
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| From: | Mr David F Jacobs <man_of_funk @ hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:51:49 -0000 |
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Good point, hope you ALL have a jolly good Christmas, and new year!
Best regards
David Jacobs | |||||
| 7 · The Silmarillion |
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| From: | alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca <alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca> |
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| Date: | Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:20:59 -0500 |
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>From: Kay Anthony > >I saw Lyndon play on Friday >... >and I think under >the circumstances he is doing great job. He is >a lot more talented than many people realise. It's probably true that our collective perception of Lyndon and the rest of the non-Marks masquerading as Level 42 is tainted by the rose-coloured memory of the glory days. Perhaps if we saw these same guys playing some non-Level material we would judge their musical abilities a little more kindly. >steeping into >Mike's shoes was no easy thing You're so right; it is no easy task at all. First you have to fit the tea bag in, which is difficult enough, but stopping the boiling water from leaking out is the real bitch. (Any votes for Lame Joke of the Day?) >G'day, >Hope you guys remember me and I am sure I can get back into >the swng of things. > >Jeff Ah, another familiar face! Welcome back! ...Alex... | ||
| 8 · 24th |
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| From: | Monique Williams <mowllms @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:59:47 -0800 (PST) |
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