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Saturday, December 28, 2002 |
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| Today's Topics 1 - MK: wake up and smell the funk - jt 2 - clip, stuff - Winman42 3 - the invisible singer - ERICWHE01 @ aol.com 4 - Mark working with others? - m.lyon @ mchsi.com 5 - where's Phil? - Tom Foolery 6 - Weaveworld - alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca 7 - test... please ignore - Eric J. Hansen 8 - another test (sorry) - Eric J. Hansen 9 - Mark playing funk, One Man - Jackson, Lolita 10 - F&S skit... - the Betta Shoppe 11 - Re: sketch - FunkyScarlet @ aol.com 12 - Re: sketch - FunkyScarlet @ aol.com 13 - Good questions, Eric - FunkyScarlet @ aol.com |
| 1 - MK: wake up and smell the funk |
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| From: | jt <jtraci @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:28:03 -0800 (PST) |
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| > I'm sure I didn't dream it but my friend disagrees > and says there was no > such sketch. Tell your friend to jump in a lake, you're correct (about the sketch). > 1) why do you think Mark hasn't hooked up with any > other musicians > to write/perform new material? Good question. Maybe the onyl 2 musikal friends MK ever made were Midge Ure and Nik Kershaw, and neither called on him again... > 2) if Mark *were* to hook up with other people, who > do you think would > be appropriate and desirable? (be reasonable here... In the early days MK always sited Mahavishnu/John Mclaughlin as his hero(es), it seems very sad that he would sidestep oh so far this kind of direction. So a complex 'jazz' or 'fusion' thing is what I would (have) always loved to see MK pursue. Maybe something like (drummer) Steve Smith's Vital Information. Smith has worked with Stanley Clarke on a various projects. so the transition to MK would be fairly reasonable. But this, of ocurse, shatters any Pop Start Status MK still apparently en-visions. j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com | ||
| 2 - clip, stuff |
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| From: | Winman42 <winman42 @ comcast.net> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:35:29 -0500 |
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| Mark, you are correct about the tv show clip..some of us even have it on tape. It was very funny, and included a little jam session of all the 'guitarists' at the end of the clip. Eric, i think Mark could do a decent jazz fusion lp, and i always hoped he would. However, i think his love of writing that type of material has waned a bit over the years. They havent done anything in that mode since 1983. It's still possible, because what he did with Gary Husband on Gary's drum instruction video was pretty cool, and spontaneous. As far as members goes ,i think only Mike has ventured into diff territories musically. All i've heard from Phil was pop based stuff. Glad to see the old classic question get asked once again.. Win | ||
| 3 - the invisible singer |
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| From: | ERICWHE01 @ aol.com <ERICWHE01 @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:37:29 EST |
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| OK, seems I started the thread on the backing track vocals, I suppose I better give some examples.....
Reading 2001 VCD - Play me - the perennial "You got to" parts at the end of the track The Sun Goes Down - The bridge after the 'We'll be together til the Sun goes down..." line. In fact, not only are there mysterious backing harmonies, but I think Mark also mimes them, as he comes off them at the end of the bridge, but his harmony still continues !!!! This years November and December shows had much more synthesised backing vocals than in 2001 (although for the life of me I can't remember what tunes !!!! doh), but we won't see that evidence due to the failure to get a DVD or VCD produced. You may say, "well so what", but I was trying to say how the nature of the live act has changed. It has now become more of a show than just 4-6 musicians singing and playing their hearts out. If you look at live at Wembley or the Town and Country Club performances, the performers look fixed to the floor compare to this years energetic, jumpy performance. The question is..... is this new direction a bid to get more people to get into the band, or has Mark King got more money in the coffers to splash around..... is this a cunning plan ???? Eric W | ||
| 4 - Mark working with others? |
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| From: | m.lyon @ mchsi.com <m.lyon @ mchsi.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:39:12 +0000 |
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| Eric posed this yesterday: 1) why do you think Mark hasn't hooked up with any other musicians to write/perform new material? I think that Mark has shown over the years that he is extremely difficult to work with. The other guys in the band may have loved him like a brother but eventually we all know that the others abandoned ship because there just wasn't room for Mark and anyone else. My guess is that he also prefers it this way as he has total control and is guaranteed to be the #1 ego in the band. 2) Potential band mates? On the outside chance he would work with others, I think that perhaps Ozzie Osborne on vocals, Charlie Watts on Drums and Jeff Beck on guitar (there would be no keyboard player as no one wants to be compared to Mike over and over again). They could call themselves the 'British has-beens' and go on a Greatest Hits tour. All in good fun. -Mark | ||
| 5 - where's Phil? |
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| From: | Tom Foolery <grooveyardtom @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:26:58 -0800 (PST) |
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| Er, what exactly is Phil Gould doing musically these days? I have him "On Drums" sample cd, so I hear him a lot :) but is he in a band currently? does he have a website? -TF __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com | ||
| 6 - Weaveworld |
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| From: | alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca <alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:13:04 -0500 |
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>From: Veen, Willem van der <w.van_der_veen @ services.nedtrain.nl> > >I was thinking that someone once had this great thread about the >one man lyrics, about that Winetoo qetsoquetel or whatever the >words are. Ah, memories of days when I had more time to ponder the deep philosophical meaning behind lyrics. Yes, t'was I who wrote that micro-tome about "One Man" (penned by Boon, sung by Mark). I'm sure I have it somewhere, but I can't find it. There was also a slightly edited version on http://www.mark-king.com, but I can't find it there now. Morgan Roussel or Paul Hammond, if you're still hanging around and you read this, please see if you can locate it. It had to do with Mezoamerican gods creating the earth, an exit to the east after telling the followers to expect a return, and the subsequent coming of the Spaniards, who easily conquered the locals who believed they were returning gods. (There's a theology lesson in their somewhere, but I'll leave it alone. For now.) >From: mark.summers1 <mark.summers1 @ ntlworld.com> > >Does anyone else remember a French & Saunders sketch that >featured Mark King (with Mark Knopfler, Dave Gilmour, >Gary Moore, Lemmy) where they couldn't play guitar using a >Ralph McTell tuition book because there were no pictures with >dots showing where your fingers go? Let me be one of the many to say that, yes, this skit does indeed exist. I believe it is on the BobC video tapes, which were making the rounds of digesters many years ago. >From: Eric J. Hansen <ehansen @ worldmachine.com> >1) why do you think Mark hasn't hooked up with any other >musicians to write/perform new material? Well, he has done so a bit, hasn't he? At Prince's Trust shows he's played with many people, and he co-wrote a couple with, er, that Stock Aiken Waterman nice baritone voice guy whose name escapes me at the moment. I encourage Loz to chime in with exact track lengths, release dates, and barometric pressure at the gigs. >2) if Mark *were* to hook up with other people, who do you >think would be appropriate and desirable? This is a totally serious suggestion: N Sync, Backstreet Boys, Brittney, or one of the other generic pop acts. Sure, their recordings are fairly sterile, but have you listened to the bands they hire for the live gigs?! The groove factor is _way_ higher than the studio stuff, and from what little I've read of the musicians, it's a fun gig. Just dump the goofy dancer-lip-synchers, bring the real musicians centre stage, and Bob's your uncle. Or how 'bout Alicia Keys? >3) what kind of other music/styles/genres would Mark excel at? >The aforementioned other band members have all demonstrated >their individual versatilities at numerous other styles of music, so >what about Mark? I love Mark's playing. I would kill to have a chance to play with him. When I do pick up a bass, my style is based on drum rudiments, which sound quite a bit like (an extremely primitive) Mark style. But he seems to be a one-trick pony with little desire to branch out into other styles. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Glen Gould was pretty much locked into the Bach thing, but that doesn't detract from his brilliance. Mick Jagger only does the one thing, and many many people (not including me) think he's fabulous. I think the slap-less _One Man_ is a great album, but it's as far from funk as the King is going to get, which is perfectly fine by me. ...Alex... | ||
| 7 - test... please ignore |
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| From: | Eric J. Hansen <ehansen @ worldmachine.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:03:58 -0500 (EST) |
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| Just testing something... let me know if you get this message NOT as part of a multi-message digest. (If you're reading this in the daily digest mailing, then please ignore :) thanks, Eric | ||
| 8 - another test (sorry) |
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| From: | Eric J. Hansen <ehansen @ worldmachine.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:07:17 -0500 (EST) |
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| Another one... please ignore. thanks, Eric | ||
| 9 - Mark playing funk, One Man |
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| From: | Jackson, Lolita <Lolita.Jackson @ morganstanley.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:31:42 -0500 |
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The digest is
back!! I am so excited! Welcome back everybody - I just hope that
Joe P. hasn't rejoined again too ;->. BTW, anybody realize that was
about five years ago almost to the day?? Time
flies...
>3)
what kind of other music/styles/genres would Mark excel at?
The
aforementioned other band members have all demonstrated their individual versatilities at numerous other styles of music, so what about Mark? Without a
doubt, funk or R&B! His slap bass style is perfect for this
music. Does anybody remember the Prince's Trust concert when Level 42 was
the house band? The singer Will Downing did a version of the R&B
song Free with Mark playing bass and Mark looked like he was having the time of
his life. The song sounded awesome, and I always wondered what he
would have sounded like guesting on some R&B and funk
tunes... Also, nice to see
the song One Man getting props - I think the song is great and nobody ever talks
about it. I love the multiple guitars on it.
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| 10 - F&S skit... |
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| From: | the Betta Shoppe <magnolia_acres @ yahoo.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:58:42 -0800 (PST) |
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No, you were not dreaming. Although there was such a skit, I could not recall which programme it was on. Perhaps it was F&S, after all.
Though I've not seen it in years, I do remember a court setting in which Mark, amongst others, was called upon to demonstrate a bass line from a book on trial. You are right in that there was something about missing dots & perhaps even a book being upside down @ one point. It was quite entertaining. Thanks for the memory!
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| 11 - Re: sketch |
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| From: | FunkyScarlet @ aol.com <FunkyScarlet @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:05:55 -0500 |
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| In a message dated 12/27/2002 6:13:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, level42 @ worldmachine.com writes: > Does anyone else remember a French & Saunders sketch that featured Mark King > (with Mark Knopfler, Dave Gilmour, Gary Moore, Lemmy) where they couldn't > play guitar using a Ralph McTell tuition book because there > were no pictures > with dots showing where your fingers go? > > This was about 12-13 years ago. Yes, this sketch was a reality. I have it on tape somewhere. I think I got it from Bob C., the famous digester from NYC of long ago that had 6 VHS tapes of Level42 stuff. Angel | ||
| 12 - Re: sketch |
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| From: | FunkyScarlet @ aol.com <FunkyScarlet @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:05:57 -0500 |
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| In a message dated 12/27/2002 6:13:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, level42 @ worldmachine.com writes: > Does anyone else remember a French & Saunders sketch that featured Mark King > (with Mark Knopfler, Dave Gilmour, Gary Moore, Lemmy) where they couldn't > play guitar using a Ralph McTell tuition book because there > were no pictures > with dots showing where your fingers go? > > This was about 12-13 years ago. Yes, this sketch was a reality. I have it on tape somewhere. I think I got it from Bob C., the famous digester from NYC of long ago that had 6 VHS tapes of Level42 stuff. Angel | ||
| 13 - Good questions, Eric |
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| From: | FunkyScarlet @ aol.com <FunkyScarlet @ aol.com> |
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| Date: | Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:13:12 -0500 |
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| In a message dated 12/27/2002 6:13:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, level42 @ worldmachine.com writes: > 1) why do you think Mark hasn't hooked up with any other musicians > to write/perform new material? I think maybe Mark has already collaborated with the people he wants to? Or maybe he thinks his real "heroes" are too unavailable to approach. Possibly he doesn't want to work with others and simply likes producing music for/by himself because Level 42, for so many years, was such a collaborative thing. > 2) if Mark *were* to hook up with other people, who do you think would > be appropriate and desirable? I'd like him to work with my favorite artists, of course, to lend some cool grooves to their stuff. People like Venice, Nikka Costa, and Thicke. Of course I'd find it most desireable for him to work with ME! > > 3) what kind of other music/styles/genres would Mark excel at? I think Mark would be great at samba or Latin Jazz. He's noted for his fast thumbs but he really is nimble at regular finger plucking and he laid it down pretty well on "Freedom" which had sort of a Latin vibe. Back to question #2, I think it'd be cool to hear him work with Cecilia Noel. Angel |
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