From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V2001 #8 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 2001 : Issue 8 1387 subscribers Today's topics: Mark's scar angela armstrong mark.summers1 Drumbilations etc. alex.friesen Re: Motorola ringtone Chewie818 Gresham Blues Helen McLelland Identity Crisis David LaBossiere Leisure Process Alex Humphries more drums (less bees) William Burnett Picture Willem en Kirsti Interesting Badarou item Daniel James RE: [ILF] Interesting Badarou item Michael Thomas Payne Dog & Drum & Bass Pete Devlin helping Jen =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sole_G=F3>> Re: Digest V2001 #7 Mike Bartlett Phil Smart The L42 drummer debate john miller The Pier James Watkins ------------------------------ Subject: Mark's scar From: angela armstrong Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:02:48 -0800 (PST) Hello everyone, In response to Steve Robson's question on how Mark King got his scar, the answer is this- when he was a young boy, about nine or so, he was attacked by the family dog that they had. Doctors wanted to fix the scar after it had happened, but Mark opted to leave it because he felt it was a battle scar (he read alot of books about that sort of thing when he was younger), and that it made him a man. This is according to Level 42:The Definitive Biography. It's a really good book and if you ever get a chance to purchase a copy, I highly recommend doing so. Now I haven't read the book in a while myself, so I might have some of the info twisted a bit. He definitely got the scar from being bit by a dog though. If there is any part of this that people feel is wrong, feel free to correct me because I don't want to be the cause of spreading inaccurate information around. Cheers, Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: From: "mark.summers1" Organization: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:50:24 -1000 Just wanna say as a drummer that the hi hat parts to Leaving me Now (16ths) and the hi hat triplets on Lessons in Love were killers to do at first with complex accent punctuations etc (especially when played faster than normal) but after a while the muscles develop in your wrists ( and most importantly fingers) and you can eventualy keep going for hours. I grew up on Phil Goulds drumming and copied his hi hat with the left hand thing (rimshots with the right) and was blissfully unaware that 99% of drummers cross their hands and play hi hat with their right hand (assuming they are right handed). I am left handed but now play right handed and thankfully both hands and wrists are equally as strong. My god talking about drumming is an innuendo field day for those Benny Hill senses of humour! :o) Regards Mark Summers www.msummers.force9.co.uk/level42.htm ------------------------------ Subject: Drumbilations etc. From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:53:38 -0500 >From: Joey Vela > >I was a classically-trained percussionist starting at age 11. I am now 32. >... >I am SO glad that you are not making this personal (insert sarcasm here). >... >Anyway Stuart, you obviously know much more than I do about >the subject. So I'll just stand corrected. > >TCOY, >Joey V >101010 >2A At this point I must stand up and say that I am personally offended by these remarks. Joey, I'll have you know that mine was the first sarcastic response to your little note, and you didn't even give me an honourable mention! Oh, poor hard done by me! Set myself up for attack, and the rampaging hordes have a go at somebody else instead! What's the point of writing annoying little messages if the glory goes elsewhere? Oh boo hoo. But my real question is, does the "2A" at the end of your sig indicate the size of sticks you use? ************ >From: "Winston Walker" > >Anselm, itsn't Gresham the name of the hotel they stayed >in, while work on the SATS lp? Yes, it's in Dublin. Nice place. Has that nice old feel us new-worlders appreciate 'cause we don't have any over here. I had the misfortune of staying there (on the airline's tab) after a two-day delay in the flight. Yes, two freaking days sitting in the airport. Travel Tip: Don't book flights with Canada 3000. ************ >From: "goldie100" > >I haven't bothered with any of the new stuff, the last one I bought was >"Forever now", >which I actually thought was pretty crap Okay, that's the final straw. There is a Digest bylaw which states "thou shalt love the reissued Forever Now," and clearly goldie100 is not living up to this requirement. Goldie, I've called MI5, and they're on their way to your house right now. Bu-bye! ************ >From: "Andrew Goodwin" > >First Friesen clumsily spells >out a pun so leadenly blunt in itself that surely only the >terminally obtuse could have failed to get it; and now Barua, >in one of his sadly infrequent posts, is lauding him for it! >Is it Canadian Point Missing Week or something? Hullo? Are you trying to say something? Cliff, 'splain it to me please, me just dumb Canadjian. ...Alex... ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Motorola ringtone From: Chewie818 @ aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:21:29 EST Hello all! My contribution to my fellow Level 42 fans is this: I have created a ringtone of Mike's song "Changes" on my Motorola Pagewriter 2000X pager. So, if you, too, have a two-way pager of that model, just email me with your PIN # and i'll beam it to you. Cheers! --Jennifer "...answers on a postcard please. I'd like to know what you believe" ------------------------------ Subject: Gresham Blues From: Helen McLelland Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:49:52 +0000 Hi There Is the Royal Gresham Hotel not outside Dublin in Dun Laoghaire - and if so, is it true that this hotel that inspired Gresham Blues ? I remember staying in it a few years back and it was a nice hotel but full of old folk (handy to jump on a train to Dublin though). Is it still the same ? Can anyone e-mail me personally on how to get a copy of any bootlegs that are around ? My "official" collection is comming on quite nicely now and I feel I need to move on a bit. Thanks Helen ------------------------------ Subject: Identity Crisis From: "David LaBossiere" Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:20:26 -0000 I decided to change my email address!!!! Thanks Nightfly! >From: "Andrew Goodwin" >Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:39:42 -0000 >Subject: AG...Man or Myth? & Video Compilations >>We could further enliven and enhance their thought processes by >>stipulating that you and I and Santa are all one!!! >No you've blown it. How long could it have been before everyone realised >that just as Santa is a spooky anagram of Satan, so David LaBossiere is >an >anagram of I, Badass Evil Doer? My jaw hurts from laughing so hard!! You should have seen me actually write my name down and one by one cross off the used up letters. Tooooooo Smooth Mr. Nightfly!!! Toooooo Smooth! Peace out!! David LaBossiere davelaboss @ bigfoot.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Subject: Leisure Process From: "Alex Humphries" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:43:06 -0000 Hi Levelheads, Just a questio about the band Leisure Process, which a had Phil Gould and Mark King in, but I'm not sure when, was it just the song 'A way you'll never be'? Or did they do more... Thanks.. humph42... www.level-42.co.uk the.diracell @ btinternet.com Icq: 65591880 (add me if you want!) ------------------------------ Subject: more drums (less bees) From: William Burnett Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:41:52 +0000 Greetings. >Subject: The old and new >From: "Mario Angeli" >Sadly, Guaranteed was absolute shite. Her big day >and Set me up were (for me) the only songs that resembled Level 42 and were >of any quality. It's funny that you should choose the two songs that for my tastes wreck an otherwise fairly good album. Both seem lazily composed, little more than jamming. And lyrically, cripes, if there's one thing I find more toe curling than Mike Lindup trying to sound tough, It's Mark King trying to sound funny. >From: richard.west @ westsig.co.uk >Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:24:44 +0000 > >I seem to remember somewhere in the dim, distant past reading an interview >with Neil Peart of Rush... in it, he said that one of his favourite >drummers was Phil Gould. Peart reckoned that Phil's technique was >breathtaking, and that he [Peart] would break a wrist trying to emulate it. If this is right, you've just made my whole day. I worship at the alter on Neil Peart, I'm surprised he'd even heard of Gould. What a result. Funnily enough, having just seen the grip issue of the last few days, I was just thinking, wasn't it Peart, who after 30 years of playing matched grip, decided to relearn from scratch in traditional grip for the Buddy Rich tribute, and liked it so much that he recorded the whole last Rush album in that way? Ta - W. -- ======================================================================== William Burnett http://www.sphere3.co.uk/ ======================================================================== ------------------------------ Subject: Picture From: "Willem en Kirsti" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:46:22 +0100 Could the guy that send me that picture with the two basses contact me privatly ..( if lost the picture damn !!) Thanx in advance cheers willem ------------------------------ Subject: Interesting Badarou item From: Daniel James Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:15:10 -0800 Esprit has this little bit for sale: WALLY BADAROU Words Of A Mountain (Austrian 4-track promo 3" CD, gatefold card picture sleeve CIDX429) 4.99GBP / $ 7.98 Never heard of such a beast, but collectionistafados might be interested. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: [ILF] Interesting Badarou item From: Michael Thomas Payne Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:11:40 -0600 Does it come in "longbox" form? Just kidding... Mikey -----Original Message----- From: Daniel James [mailto:djames @ serv.net] Sent: January 08, 2001 2:15 PM To: Level42 Digest; Big-Time Levelheads Subject: [ILF] Interesting Badarou item Esprit has this little bit for sale: WALLY BADAROU Words Of A Mountain (Austrian 4-track promo 3" CD, gatefold card picture sleeve CIDX429) 4.99GBP / $ 7.98 Never heard of such a beast, but collectionistafados might be interested. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- The Level 42 "ILF" mailing list is an electronic bulletin system for news about International Levelfests. To unsubscribe from the ILF list, please send an email to with "unsubscribe" as the subject. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ------------------------------ Subject: Dog & Drum & Bass From: "Pete Devlin" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:04:59 -0000 Hey guys, The dog was called Dax, was a prison dog (his dad being a dog handler at the time) & it had a brain tumour which is what caused it to attack Mark not cos it had the hump cos he didn't sign an autograph for the 50th time or buy it a drink. It was destroyed because of the tumour. If I could play another instrument it would have to be the drums. I have just had my first taste of getting back into playing properly. I had a bass lesson on Sat up in Holloway London. The guys name is Steve Lawson. I mention this cos he has a live CD out of just him playing various different basses (5 & 6 string fretless + the more usual 4 string fretted) & other weird thangs! One track isn't live & has piano on it. I really don't know how to describe it. It's very laid back - don't expect any ripping blistering slap licks cos it isn't about that. Some of it is ambient almost I suppose, possibly in places like a very laid back Alain Carron & Stu Hamm (That is the only way I can even come close to giving an idea of how it sounds, I don't generally like comparing players to each other) www.steve-lawson.co.uk is his website where I believe you can download samples from the CD plus other tracks & performances & order the CD if you so wish. I really like this. Incedentally he is 17 quid per hour or 30 for a two lesson which I did as I travel from Reading. For those of you who don't know where Holloway is, it is just north of Camden! He even lent me a copy of the Capital Rock Master Class from 85 with some flash geezer playing bass real quick & singing about not walking you home - not a bad bloke seeing as we had never met before eh ? See you at the bar. ------------------------------ Subject: helping Jen From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sole_G=F3mez_Escala?= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:12:34 +0100 Hi everybody! This is a message to Jen Irvine that asked for an address to download "Nothing more to say". You must go to www.forevernow.com , click in the Latest News and when the page is open, click the last point called 12/6-LEVEL 42- NOTHING MORE TO SAY-LIVE SONG FROM ī81 WITH MIKE LINDUP IN VOCALS!!! Itīs a fantastic song, indeed! (Thanks to John Mooney for the discovery!) Bye for now! SOLE. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Digest V2001 #7 From: "Mike Bartlett" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 00:27:52 G'day.... From Mario Angeli: "Their best has to be the Standing In The Light album." I totally agree, mate. Whatever they did after that, even reaching the giddy commercial heights of WM and RITF, was not in the same dimension. SITL will always be, for me, the quintissential Level 42 album. From Jennie Irvine: "...where I can download 'Nothing More To say'?!" Is this a L42 or MK track I've not heard? Could someone enlighten me? By the way, Jen, have we communicated before? I lived in Cowes and Gurnard a long time ago. From Don Zipf: "The White Funky comes immediately to mind. Essential to any decent Level 42 collection." Where can I get a copy? Even a tape? Talking of bands sounding like Level 42, I heard some music in a cafe in Bondi the other week which reminded me of their early days. The band was Spyro Gyra. And whatever happened to Morrissey Mullen and Slipstream? If any of you haven't heard the Y-Chromo Boyz cd, Stroppy 7s, do so as soon as you can. Fab stuff. Onya boyz. My vote to Phil Gould as the tightest, most energetic and creative drummer I've seen or heard. Roger Taylor (Queen) comes a close second. Anyone know where I can find Level 42 box sets in Australia? Cheers........Mike (Sydney City Milkman) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Subject: Phil From: "Smart" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:29:16 -0000 Here we go...(it's good to be back!) Phil has been a major influence on my drumming and I'd recommend anyone to check him out, if only for new ways of doing things. There're some licks on the Live at Wembley video which have left an indelible mark on the way I approach certain grooves and fills. Hot Water is a good example of two in one song. First up, Phil starts the song playing open 16ths on the hi-hat with his left hand instead of his right. If you think this is tough with your stronger hand, try it with the other hand! (I'm open for correction if Phil's actually left-handed but plays right-handed on a right-handed kit). The other is towards the end during the instrumental bridge before the sax solo, when he's mainly leading with the ride cymbal but puts in a hi-hat figure and so alternates snare drum beats with left and right hands. Doesn't sound like much, but it's the details that make the great worth watching. Regards, Martin http://members.sniffout.com/martinbest ------------------------------ Subject: The L42 drummer debate From: "john miller" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:36:19 Having read the 'greatest L42 drummer' discussion with interest I (myself a drummer) wish to add my own two pennieth on the subject. For me Phil Gould stands head and shoulders over Gary Husband. For me, Gary, has always 'overplayed' his drum parts during live gigs. Yes he is technically proficiant but the fact is he doesn't swing or groove half as well as Phil did. Anyone that really knows about funk music will testify that its often not about the notes one plays, but those one doesn't. Funk music is all about space, that's where the groove comes from. My argument not only counts for drums, but the bass to (MK fans take note). For my money, Gary's playing was better suited to the Allan Holdsworth set up, with L42 (live, not on record) he contributed to needlessly cluttering the band's sound, which was a problem with the band's live gig's towards the end. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Subject: The Pier From: "James Watkins" Organization: B. P. Baxter & Co. Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:51:24 -0000 Subject: The Pier Programme From: "Jennie Irvine" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:43:22 -0000 Hi, Just to say that 'The Pier' programme does actually exist - I was in Joe Daflos when Mark was filmed in there for the programme. I just happened to walk in there one day for a drink with my friend, it was a bit of a shock to see Mark sat at the bar!!!! LOL Happy New Year to everyone!!! Jen, from the IOW xxx I know the pier programme exists cos I've got it on video. My brother taped it and leant it to me, and I somehow keep on forgetting to give it back. Cheers, Jimbo