From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V2001 #5 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 2001 : Issue 5 1386 subscribers Today's topics: Buongiorno Alberto Molaschi Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #4 SED Mike Lindup's New Album Mike Lindup's New Album Bands that sound like Level 42 Walter Franken Mark's scar, TRIVIA QUESTION anselm_gaynor Re: Scar Steve Robson Stick grip, the world issue Joey Vela Give the drummer some!! Anthony Richards Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #4 Paul J. Bannerman miscellaneous goldie100 AG...Man or Myth? & Video Compilations LaBossiere, David Hey! Alex Humphries Misc Stuff... Flucks NOKIA RING TONES Simon Thorp Trash Zippel, Erdmann Y-Chromo CD's on demand Jake Smith Innuendo Cliff & Debjani Barua ------------------------------ Subject: Buongiorno From: "Alberto Molaschi" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:09:41

Hi everybody,

I am an Italian L42 fan since their early albums and still enjoying their music. I'd like to know if there is a list of bootleg cd's or videos of concerts, etc..

There is a very poor market here in Italy for L42 and wonder if you can help me.

Thanks a word. Ciao


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------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #4 From: "Laurence F. GREEN(SED)" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:18:13 +0000 Level42 @ worldmachine.com writes: >+ Anyone heard an underground dance track released about 6 >months ago by 'King Rock' called 'The Most Fantastic Thing >You've Ever Heard' which features a sample off the Physical >Presence Live albumn when MK urges the audience to 'Pretend >this is the most fantastic thing you've ever heard' - pretty >damn good. > >++ A friend of mine who plays with Stuart Zendler (ex >Jamiroquai) reckons MK's done vocals on a dance track >floating around at the moment, could this be the start of a >revival? Dooh!! Is this a case of not being able to see what staring you in the face??? ------------------------------------------------------ Laurence Green Research Assistant Sheffield Hallam University School Of Environment and Development City Campus Advanced Construction Research, Room 302 Sheffield S1 1WB TEL: 0114 2253368 ------------------------------ Subject: Mike Lindup's New Album From: "" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:38:44 HI ALL, AND HAPPY NEW YEAR ! PLEASE, PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF MIKE'S NEW CD WILL BE RELEASED IN JANUARY FOR DEFINATE...? AS HIS WEBSITE IS DOWN AT THE MOMENT THERE ARE NO VISIBLE UPDATES FOR INFORMATION. I HAVE WAITED PATIENTLY FOR SO LONG NOW FOR THIS ALBUM. THANKS DEAN _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Subject: Mike Lindup's New Album From: "" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:44:08 HI ALL, AND HAPPY NEW YEAR ! PLEASE, PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF MIKE'S NEW CD WILL BE RELEASED IN JANUARY FOR DEFINATE...? AS HIS WEBSITE IS DOWN AT THE MOMENT THERE ARE NO VISIBLE UPDATES FOR INFORMATION. I HAVE WAITED PATIENTLY FOR SO LONG NOW FOR THIS ALBUM. THANKS DEAN P.S NOTHING MORE TO SAY is classic level 42 - I can't stop listening to it. Why on earth did they not record this in the studio ? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Subject: Bands that sound like Level 42 From: Walter Franken Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:04:16 +0100 I was wondering which current bands/groups sound like Level 42. At the moment, I only can come up with some work of Jamiroquai, which sounds like Level 42 in the early days. Funky! Any other suggestions? Cheers, Walter ------------------------------ Subject: Mark's scar, TRIVIA QUESTION From: anselm_gaynor @ talk21.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:36:29 GMT In response to the person who asked about Mark's facial scar, apparently he was bitten by a dog years ago, I think around the age of ten. This info comes from the Level 42 biog, published around 1989. Anyone still got a copy? PS TRIVIA TIME: Why is the B-side of 'Heaven In My Hands' called 'Gresham Blues'...go on: impress me with your L42 trivia knowledge please - gold star for the first right answer. Keep funkin'... Anselm. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Scar From: Steve Robson Organization: Cadence Design Systems Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:23:41 +0000 > Subject: - holy grail > From: "bunty omar" > > Bollox to all this Jesus/war shite, the true holy grail grail, the > unquestionable, the unobtainable truth must be, how did Mark get THAT > scar? I believe it was from a car crash he had. The bigger question is: "What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?" And don't ask "African or European?" because I get flung into the abyss... > Using a Macintosh? Nope, I find an umbrella adequate. Regards, Steve IT Support - UNIX Cadence Design Systems Tel: +44 (0)1344 866523 Bagshot Road Mobile: +44 (0)7901 855046 Bracknell BERKSHIRE Fax: +44 (0)1344 866588 RG12 0PH UK ------------------------------ Subject: Stick grip, the world issue From: Joey Vela Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:12:00 -0600 > Urmm.... bollocks! That's simply not true. There are plenty of > contemporary drummers, some of them hugely famous, who play trad grip, or > both; and some old timers who use match grip. > I know this is no big deal, but I get annoyed when this sort of comment is > made, and it isn't necessarily true. Uh oh! I've obviously touched a nerve. This is getting good! > How would I know? Because I've been a drummer for more than half my life at > 29, and I used to work in a very popular drum shop (Poole Percussion (in > Poole, funnily enough!)) for 4 yrs+. During this time, I met quite a few of > the world's fave drummers as we held clinics with them from time to time. > (I shan't name-drop... also, they change grip sometimes, too) I was a classically-trained percussionist starting at age 11. I am now 32. You do the math. I too have attended camps, clinics, seminars, and consortiums, and I have met a few pretty famous drummers not to mention world-class percussionists (I too shall not name-drop). There were a few that played traditional grip exclusively and a few that interchanged. However, the vast majority I've seen played matched grip. > Nothing personal Joey, but I wish people wouldn't comment about stuff unless > they are an authority on the subject. I've seen/heard so many comments from > people about all kinds of things, which are sooo ill-informed. Trouble is, > unless somebody who knows better happens to notice the remark, and can be > arsed to correct it, everyone who reads/hears it will then become wrongly > informed and pass it on to others... They don't stand a chance! I am SO glad that you are not making this personal (insert sarcasm here). I don't claim to be an authority, but I have been around the instrument quite long enough to make my own observation as well as an informed remark. > That's why so many people in this world are terribly misinformed about all > kinds of very significant issues, such as..... I dunno.... AIDS for > example. Or maybe some political issues, or anything. > Somebody asks somebody who doesn't know, but they won't say, "Sorry, I don't > know.", they'd rather make something up and mislead the enquirer - who says > "Bloody hell, that's outrageous!" and then goes off in search of some other > poor ignoramus to tell all about it! > (I'm not as wound up as I sound, I promise.... It's just one of my pet hates > :-) Significant issues you say? Let's see....AIDS, traditional vs. matched grip, politics... Maybe it's just me, but something just doesn't belong here. As far as me making something up that was misleading, well, I guess that I'm just not as qualified as you Stuart to talk about all things percussion related. So sue me. > Anyway, I didn't mean to pick on you, Joey - it was more the principle I > wanted to highlite. Well, as a matter of principle, I must retort. A little more background here, Stuart. When I started playing, I was taught only matched grip. Why? Because my teachers, like most in the modern age, realized that other than the military marching drum, the whole of the percussion family of instruments are played with matched grip, everything from marimba to glockenspiel to timpani to double mallet orchestral bass drum, are all played MATCHED grip. I simply wasn't taught traditional grip (I had to learn it later), which BTW was invented centuries ago to compensate for the slant of a drum as worn from an old over-the-shoulder military-style marching drum sling (as opposed to a modern marching drum harness which sits the drum upright), because it was considered an obsolete stryle. 90% of today's marching band percussionists use matched grip but do occasionally use traditional grip as a novelty. I know because I played in marching bands for 7 years through high school and college, and I played in a professional drum & bugle corps. Traditional grip makes for good "show sticking" in a drum line. I teach private lessons at local high schools, and I am often asked to teach traditional grip. I might agree to show the students a couple of things, rudiments and such, using traditional grip, but I won't teach them traditional grip. It's not necessary in this day and age. Some of the contemporary drummers who use traditional grip may do so because there is good finger control in it, at least according to Carl Palmer. Others, like Mike Shrieve, use traditional grip because that's simply what they were taught from the beginning. My guess was that Mark King uses matched grip because I don't believe he had any formal training where he would have been taught traditional grip. Anyway Stuart, you obviously know much more than I do about the subject. So I'll just stand corrected. TCOY, Joey V 101010 2A ------------------------------ Subject: Give the drummer some!! From: "Anthony Richards" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:36:20 -0500 With all this talk of drums and drummers, I thought I'd throw in my two cents in regards to some essential (and just plain "funkay") recordings to have in your cd collections. Lenny White: I think Nigel mentioned "Present Tense" earlier. This is indeed an excellent recording, featuring an incredible array of stellar musicians (Marcus Miller, Bernard Wright, John Scofield, Chick Corea, Victor Bailey and many others). Plus Lenny's cover of Bernard Wright's "Who Do You Love" (w/ Chaka Khan on vocals and Michal Urbaniak on electic vioin) is a killa! I'd also like to recommend Lenny's most recent solo recording "Edge". Jazz funk fusion with an attitude! Plus you gots to check out Lenny's cover of Led Zepplin's "Kashmir", and a track called "If Six Was Four?". Also, big props to the incredibly funky lead bassist Foley, who's also on this recording. Foley's highest profile gig to date was as a member of Miles Davis' band. Truly a bassist who is deserving of much more recognition, as he has an incredibly funky and unique sound. Finally, check out Lenny's "Venusian Summer" release from the seventies (featuring among others David Sancious, Doug Rauch, Larry Coryell and Al Dimeola among others). A classic jazz fusion recording. I'd also like to mention another recording (previously mentioned here on the Digest) called "Return Of The Headhunters" by The Headhunters (a group brought to jazz funk fusion prominence by keyboard legend Herbie Hancock). Drummer Mike Clarke's grooves are just so F-U-N-K-A-Y!! Plus, he's got a killer drum sound. If you likes da funk, you gots to have this one. It's off da hiz-ook! Have a groovalacious weekend y'all. Funky T ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #4 From: "Paul J. Bannerman" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:18:45 -0500 Two of the most difficult drumming in a L42 tune, in my opinion, is Gresham Blues (Staring at the Sun). Gary lays some serious half time double time fills while maintaining a slow behind the beat groove. Serious playing - on the money - solid. The second is 'Over there'. What can I say . . . . Paul Bannerman \\\ -- /// ( @ @ ) -oOOO---(_)---OOOo- Paul J. Bannerman Home Telephone: (905) 507-GIGS Pager: (416) 295-9609 E-Mail: pauljbannerman @ yahoo.com Web Site: www.pauljbannerman.com ------------------------------ Subject: miscellaneous From: "goldie100" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:57:31 -0000 WOW!! L42 content has gone up by 100% (please, nobody correct me on percentages,averages etc). It was nice to see that someone got tons of replies RE "overtime". It's great that people took the time to answer a new Digesters question. When I first joined I asked what had been going on in the L42 camp and got just one reply! (personal email) - thanks to David Cousins I managed to become updated accordingly. So, after a few queries to other Digesters, I am still in the total darkness RE the whereabouts of the Devlins. Anyone out there? (sorry, that's a Duran tune). Cheers, Lozzie xxx ------------------------------ Subject: AG...Man or Myth? & Video Compilations From: "LaBossiere, David" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:54:37 -0800 I realize this is a real shocker...two posts in as many days... Everyone take a deep breath...everything is going to be okay! Okay now, move it along...there's nothing more to see here!!! >From: "Andrew Goodwin" >Dammit David, don't you know that every time a lurker comes out and mentions >my name they assume it's me under a pseudonym? How can you expect me to >counter the growing body of opinion which doubts my existence? (apologetically) So sorry! Should I apologize to me? or...? We could further enliven and enhance their thought processes by stipulating that you and I and Santa are all one!!! Besides if I were the pseudo you, I would have responded to myself about the subject of my original posting. That is unless you were pseudonymously pretentious. Someone stole my dictionary, so I'm done! >From: JandSNuckels @ webtv.net (Jason & Sherry Nuckels) >...my vote for the most difficult Level 42 track to play on the drums would be "The Return Of >The Handsome Rugged Man". The easiest: "Turn It On" (Album version). >From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca >No single song comes to mind as the most difficult for drums. Phil has a >distinct way of playing his hi-hat which is very difficult to emulate, but he... >From the Gary Husband period "If You Were Mine" is the most difficult drum-wise. Gee, I >wonder who wrote that one? I will listen to these with a different ear now. Thanks! >From: "brian bacon" >Anyone remember the video to Overtime? >Mark and Mike were after the same girl in a factory. Mike being the boss and >Mark being a lowly employee. It was quite funny. It may be on an Mpeg >somewhere. This probably has been asked before, but is there a compilation available of all the music videos from the band >From: Joey Vela >I think that any of the Phil Gould Level 42 songs could be deemed difficult... >...but his groove is almost impossible to imitate.... nicely put! (I mean the whole expression, not just what I copied above) >A good example is "A Physical Presence"... I love that tune! >...try to play it with the same bump-&-grind sexual groove that Phil plays but WITHOUT >SLOWING DOWN. ... Hand Check! Peace out! David LaBossiere, RCDD Communications Distribution Designer / Project Manager Information Services Division City of Santa Ana ------------------------------ Subject: Hey! From: "Alex Humphries" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:26:31 -0000 Hey Levelheads! I see their has been a lot of posts to do with that Overime thing, and some one actually said something good about guarenteed! Finnaly, I still love that album, I have, but not on CD )-: - so I am also looking for it. The digest has been quite interesting rescently, and I'm looking forward to listening to that 'theme to mageret' live. see y'all... ..humph42... ICQ: 65591880 web: www.level-42.co.uk ------------------------------ Subject: Misc Stuff... From: "Flucks" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:49:12 -0800 Greetings all, >I wondered, especially since I'm not a drummer, which L42 song > would be categorized as the hardest song to play on drums. Wow. That's a tough one. To be honest, being a drummer, the drumming in 42 that I would consider to be the more challenging would be Gary's. Don't get me wrong here as I am not slacking Phil by any means! Phil's feel is unmistakable. Both of them play mainly "open handed" with their left hand on the hi-hat and right on the snare which is a stick position that makes a lot of sense to me. It's just a challenge when you were taught to play with your right hand crossed over and then try to change 15 years later. ANYWAY...sorry bout the rant there. To answer your question David, one of the songs that I viewed as having somewhat of a challenging drum part would be "Man". It's got sections in 7/4 and some of Gary's fills, especially in the live version, are just fantastic. Also "If You Were Mine" with the drum solo towards the end and "Over There" are equally pretty damn impressive! >Any thoughts from those who beat it every so often? Uh...I'm going to just leave this one alone. :) As far as favourite or "funkiest" bassilnes go, the first that comes to mind is the live version of "Micro Kid" on Past & Presence. > it shouldn't be a surprise that he can play drums because his style of > bass-playing is so percussive. Yeah, I had a notion that Mark was a drummer the first time I heard him play bass. >As far as matched vs. traditional grip, I >would assume that he plays matched grip because only Blackwatch -type > military drummers and old-time jazz drummers use traditional grip. Actually there are many modern drummers that play traditional grip. Stewart Copeland is one of the more popular traditional grip players. I pretty much assumed Mark played matched but I just wanted to see if anyone knew for sure. >We are not going to solve the two hundred year old problem of whether or > not a deity exists here on the digest, so I don't think the thread should continue. Agreed! >He replied that the Gretsch > was Mark's own kit. So, I asked Mark about it and he said "Yeah, I wanted a kit > for the studio, and you have to get the best, don't you?" Nice! I knew Mark would have a really nice kit and if it is infact Gretsch, he does indeed. Although I'm currently a DW player, one of my two dream kits that I plan to own someday would be a late 70's Gretsch kit. The other being late 70's, early 80's Tama Superstar in a mahogony stain. > Being a drummer myself, my vote for the most difficult Level 42 track > to play on the drums would be "The Return Of The Handsome Rugged Man". Also agreed as one of the more challenging drum parts. > As for the grip subject, please see the > video-documentary "The Pier: King of the Isle". Is this a joke or does this actually exsist? What is it? Thanks, James ------------------------------ Subject: NOKIA RING TONES From: "Simon Thorp" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:08:02 +0000 Dear All, Hi there. I will cut to the quick.... Huge fan..love all the websites. fav track is leaving me now Quick question for any of you out there... Are there any ring tone sites available on the net where I can get any level 42 songs or does anyone know how to compose any level 42 songs (if there are any) for a Nokia 3310 mobile phone ? This would be the nuts of a ring tone and I would be eternally grateful if anyone could shed some light on this matter. Please email me at simon.thorp @ virgin.net Cheers. Si. ------------------------------ Subject: Trash From: "Zippel, Erdmann" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:08:02 +0100 I just got the trash cd and .....the name sais it all. I always thougt it couldn't get worse, but in the long decline after the Goulds have left this is the lowest point. So, i keep listening to the old stuff ( the first 5 albums ). Forget all the rest, and no hope is left for better days. Perhaps you folks like to crucify me now, but i do not think i'm standing alone with my opinion. And i'm still searching for some old live material. C a n s o m e b o d y h e l p m e ?! erdi ------------------------------ Subject: Y-Chromo CD's on demand From: "Jake Smith" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:37:27 -0000 Hi Everybody, Just a quick update to let everybody know that the album's on course for a March release and I think its sounding super funky!!! Also, I have decided that I will send out more free singles to anyone that wants one. We have run out, but I will send out a copy of the four tracks in a loose cover!(so I can't gaurantee that it will reach you in one piece!)Thanks for the mentions to everybody, keep them coming we need your support! I have also updated the Y-Chromo Boyz web site with some additional information, including pictures of the other band members, and a bit of background stuff.The site will now be regulary updated - so keep checking. The address again: http://www.y-chromo-boyz.com Please don't register for singles on this site however as the formmail script isn't working properly yet.Instead if you want to register for a single, follow this link: http://www.funkrock1.demon.co.uk/Html/YCB_Index.htm Thats all,back to the studio, Cheers, Phil - Y-Chromo Boyz _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Subject: Innuendo From: "Cliff & Debjani Barua" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:28:41 -0500 Innuendo was one of Freddie Mercury's final hurrahs on this fine Earth, but 9 years on, the Digest is full of them (including Alex's fine dig at AG). To wit: > Subject: Beating the drum of a different tune... > From: "LaBossiere, David" > Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:17:40 -0800 > Any thoughts from those who beat it every so often? Well, David, unfortunately it's a necessary evil, especially when it's "that time of the month" for the wife. Huh?? Drumming?? Oh, I don't know much about that. >Subject: Reissues at last! >From: whip @ talk21.com >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:51:20 +00 >hi all, > ... but the wife made me wait until xmas before i could get my hands on them. Now, this one was entirely too easy. Surely Alex or AG could derive a response of vintage wit. And now for something completely different: >Subject: Drummers who have influenced Mark King >From: "Anthony Richards" >Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:28:26 -0500 >What up yo? Shout out to da international posse of Levelheads and funkateers!! OK, Funky T, you gotta finally own up. Are you the lost twin of Vanilla Ice or Eminem?? And before anyone has a dig at me, I fully acknowledge the great info that Tony posts on the Digest. Da man knows his shit!!! (Great posts on Stanley Clark et al, and George Duke) > Subject: when a knight won his spurs > From: "Laurence F. GREEN(SED)" > Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:55:51 +0000 > When a Knight Won His Spurs As a West Ham fan, I beg that the Digest not have any mention of "Spurs". To keep it relevant, I like the bassline in "Good Man In A Storm" and "True Believers", and while there's no denying that Gary Husband is an exceptional technical drummer, I preferred Phil's less mechanical drumming. O.K., see you at the bar, join me for some Dutch courage, we'll discuss the New Testament, blah, blah, blah. Actually, I've had enough of this "see you at the bar". Let's change it to "see you at Bahrain" or "see you at Barcelona" (you see, my post is nicely wrapped up with another Freddie Mercury reference). Cliff Barua - Toronto