From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V2001 #4 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 2001 : Issue 4 1386 subscribers Today's topics: stuff SED Ring Tones steve thompson Huh! Nigel Collier New times for bassists? Thomas Hansen Skarbye Mark's drums Louis Barfe Ice Cold In Alex Andrew Goodwin Funky Tom Trudell - holy grail bunty omar Re: Beating the drum of a different tune... Jason & Sherry Nuckels Drummers who have influenced Mark King Anthony Richards Reissues at last! whip Update on George Duke catalog release Anthony Richards Level 42 or not Level 42? Pete Willis Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #3 alexb.green Overtime Video brian bacon Drumming 42 alex.friesen Difficult drums Joey Vela Level 42 Jam in DK 2001 =?iso-8859-1?q?dj=20easy?= MK Matched grip VS Traditional... and tough drum Stuart Ross Theme to Margaret! Julian Best Guaranteed/drums Don Z =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mike=B4s_question?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sole_G=F3>> Mark and rick ! Scott Glover MK Live on The Isle of Wight DVD & Video Michael Thomas Payne ------------------------------ Subject: stuff From: "Laurence F. GREEN(SED)" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:07:11 +0000 >No, Laurence. >I did not make a throw-away comment. If that were the case, >then why do we >all have a voice & free speech? ??? what? >I come from a Baptist background (welsh chapel) and my >God-fearing >grandmother was not offended by my seasonal >debate (and neither,after all my worrying,was my evangelical >sister-in-law). >I did,in fact,receive very positive feed-back both through the >Digest and >through personal email-all very pleasant and >without malice. My manager at work is a Muslim and we had good >discussions >over the festive season (her Ramadan) >regarding the true meaning of christmas. She has pointed out >(as have other >"true christians") that our christmas bears >absolutely no relation to Christs' birth. The entire way we >celebrate >christmas has evolved from pagan celebration - another >point made by two of my Jehovahs Witness friends. This is argument by diversion. I concede all these points (Christam is a load of commercial rubbish nowadays) above but they're nothing to do with what I wrote. I you're honestly trying to tell me that you think saying 'there's just as much evidence that father christmas exists as Christ' will NOT offend christians and muslems then you're having a joke mate. Of course they would find that offesive. I'm a Christian and I find it offensive and incredibly ignorant. I regard it as a religious slur and just because I am not a member of some minority sectarian religion I do not think I should be treat any differently. Sorry for lack of Level 42 content L()Z ------------------------------ Subject: Ring Tones From: "steve thompson" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:19:27 -0000 Hi All.... Happy New Year to you all... Sorry about this folks (more on ring tones)I just got a new Sony Z5 mobile phone... Anyone out there help with Level 42 ring tones? the thing has a composer on it but i'm hopeless. Please send a personal e-mail... Thanks, Regards to all, Steve _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Subject: Huh! From: "Nigel Collier" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:33:58 -0000 >I read somewhere years ago that Mark King started out as a drummer, and his >main influence as a drummer is Billy Cobham. Or was it Lenny White? Lenny White - funny we should be discussing overenthusiastic fans of Mark King recently because that's exactly what Mark used to be - would Mark (or indeed the average Digester) be miffed/alarmed if an overseas fan just turned up at Mark's doorstep one day? That's effectively what Mark did with Lenny White. Mark is a fan of Billy Cobham however - which, as anyone who has watched the realvideo clips of Mark and Gary Husband jamming will know, is why Mark's such a fan of Gary's style. Mark dedicates a track on the Bottom Line gig (check out forevernow.com) to Lenny White who's in the crowd. As an aside - if you listen, when Mark introduces the band he says, "this is very nice to be here in New York, it's our first gig and...we hope you're going to enjoy the show" and some smart-arse bloke in the crowd goes, "Huh!", as if to say, "Yeah right, a bunch of white guys in cardigans..." - I'd love to se the smirk wiped off his face when they burst into the first track - a pumping rendition of Almost There. >it shouldn't be a surprise that he can play drums because his style of >bass-playing is so percussive. The percussive sound is exactly why electric slap bass was invented - a very young Larry Graham never had a drum kit for his gospel band and so tried to add it on bass (whilst also playing lines with his feet on organ pedals AND singing...now try doing THAT). I know Lenny White's CD 'Present Tense' has been touted on the Digest before - it's good stuff and features the world's best female voice bar none: Chaka Khan....fwwwwwooooooooorrrrrrrr! Cheers Nigel ------------------------------ Subject: New times for bassists? From: "Thomas Hansen Skarbye" Organization: Scarbee Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:40:57 +0100 Are new times comming for bassists? Check out the slap-bass demoes at http://www.scarbee.com All the bass is made with samples and a sequencer. Still - you might have to be a bassist to do such a programming! Thomas ------------------------------ Subject: Mark's drums From: Louis Barfe Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:50:02 +0000 (GMT+00:00) When Guaranteed came out, I saw a pic on the inlay of Gary playing a white Gretsch kit at Mark's studio. After a gig, I asked him what that was all about - he was, after all, a Yamaha endorser at the time. He replied that the Gretsch was Mark's own kit. So, I asked Mark about it and he said "Yeah, I wanted a kit for the studio, and you have to get the best, don't you?" I was quietly chuffed when I heard these plaudits - I had just taken delivery of my own Gretsch (a secondhand 4-piece from the late 1970s), which I still cherish. ____________________________________________________________ Freeserve - get your free ISP service including web-mail at: www.freeserve.co.uk ------------------------------ Subject: Ice Cold In Alex From: "Andrew Goodwin" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 12:11:01 -0000 >Subject: Beating the drum of a different tune... >From: "LaBossiere, David" > >I hardly ever post since I spend all my time ruminating AG's delightful >banter Dammit David, don't you know that every time a lurker comes out and mentions my name they assume it's me under a pseudonym? How can you expect me to counter the growing body of opinion which doubts my existence? >Subject: Sizable? >From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca > >You're close. But shouldn't that "l" be an "n"? Yes, well done. Nobody else got it. Alex Friesen's book "Innuendo Spotting Made Simple" is available now. >Subject: Re: Overtime? >From: Zak.Nilsson @ latimes.com > >Your ears are quite correct... it is Level 42, The song is called >"Overtime", and it's on the "Guaranteed" album. Good song, eh? :) One of >my favorite cranker songs... For any newcomers, Zak is famous as being one of the biggest crankers on the Digest. (If you're struggling Zak, I'm sure Alex can help out with that one.) >Subject: overtime...tough to find... >From: mike w > >I appreciate your feedback. This seems like a nice >newsgroup. Some groups have members that would insult >me and say, "Look it up in the archives." Like a lamb to the slaughter... Welcome along for the ride Mike. Be sure to bring your sense of humour. AG _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Subject: Funky From: Tom Trudell Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 04:37:27 -0800 Hi. Funkiest Level43 Bassline? I've always like "Good Man in a Storm." Not high on pyrotechnics but deep on groove and musically very inventive. The same can be said of most James Brown basslines! Funkiest JB bassline? I've always liked "Talkin Loud, Saying Nothing" the best. Let Mark King do that as a cover. Please! -Tom T "you caint tell me, how to run my mess!" ------------------------------ Subject: - holy grail From: "bunty omar" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:24:37 -0500 Bollox to all this Jesus/war shite, the true holy grail grail, the unquestionable, the unobtainable truth must be, how did Mark get THAT scar? (Call me sick, but scars are quite fashionable these days and I'm thinking of having one done myself). + Anyone heard an underground dance track released about 6 months ago by 'King Rock' called 'The Most Fantastic Thing You've Ever Heard' which features a sample off the Physical Presence Live albumn when MK urges the audience to 'Pretend this is the most fantastic thing you've ever heard' - pretty damn good. ++ A friend of mine who plays with Stuart Zendler (ex Jamiroquai) reckons MK's done vocals on a dance track floating around at the moment, could this be the start of a revival? There are some pretty credible people out there mooting early L42 as a large influence (Groove Armada eg)- I live in hope. --------------------------------------------------------------- Using a Macintosh? Get FREE E-mail, web space and MORE http://www.applelinks.com/ --- Discuss your favorite Macintosh Topics http://www.macboards.com --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Beating the drum of a different tune... From: JandSNuckels @ webtv.net (Jason & Sherry Nuckels) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:17:44 -0800 (PST) Hey y'all, Being a drummer myself, my vote for the most difficult Level 42 track to play on the drums would be "The Return Of The Handsome Rugged Man". The easiest: "Turn It On" (Album version). Happy New Year, and Keep It Funky!! Jason (& Sherry) Nuckels :-) ------------------------------ Subject: Drummers who have influenced Mark King From: "Anthony Richards" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:28:26 -0500 What up yo? Shout out to da international posse of Levelheads and funkateers!! Mark has in the past cited both Lenny White and Billy Cobham as major influences on his drumming style. In addition to Trash, check out Mark's drumming on the track "The Essential" (from his Influences release) for a more prominent example of his drumming prowess. Of course, you all know the story about Mark making the jaunt from the UK to the US, only to show up at Lenny White's doorstep in NY to crash. Lenny also confirmed this story himself (as I had the incredible honor of meeting this jazz fusion legend at a party some years ago in NYC). I also remember seeing Mark most recently mention this on a british morning TV show while he was promoting Forever Now (along w/ Mike Lindup). And just in case anyone out there is keeping score, Mark has cited Jack Bruce, Stanley Clarke, Doug Rauch, Colin Hodgkinson, Jaco Pastorius and Alex Blake as major influences on his bass playing. Hope the info helps anyone who's interested. "Funky T" ------------------------------ Subject: Reissues at last! From: whip @ talk21.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:51:20 +00 hi all, just adding my pennies worth about the reissues, i know they have been about for sometime, but the wife made me wait until xmas before i could get my hands on them. being a keen reader of the digest it as been interesting reading about different peoples input about the cds and now ive had a week to listen, one word sums it up superb! having all on vinyl and not hearing it for sometime as brought it all flooding back, i almost forgotten how good the album tracks were. luv kev ------------------------------ Subject: Update on George Duke catalog release From: "Anthony Richards" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:42:58 -0500 Funkateers, Two of jazz fusion keyboardist George Duke's catalog releases from the seventies will be available shortly. You can obtain these directly from Mr. Duke's website. Click on da link for more info: http://www.georgeduke.com/cataloginfo.html *** Also check out The Billy Cobham/George Duke Band "Live On Tour In Europe" ( a recording that I'm sure Mark King is very much aware of, given his admiration for Mr. Cobham's drumming). One nation under a groove, "Funky T" ------------------------------ Subject: Level 42 or not Level 42? From: "Pete Willis" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:54:54 -0000 Hi to everyone and a Happy New Year Just wanted to add my support to Brian and others that have said that the digest should be open for comments debate on other matters than just Level 42. I find it really interesting to see what fellow Level 42 fans like and dislike and believe and don't believe etc. As a Christian it's great to know there are others on the digest and just like I don't ram Level 42 down the throats of everyone I meet I don't push my belief's on everyone either. However I'm keen to share my joy on both subjects and that's the difference. Everyone is trying to find the real purpose in life, Level 42 have explored it many times in their lyrics and I'd personally be over the moon if Mark or any members of the band found what I have found myself to be the answer and surely there is nothing wrong in being so certain about your faith that you want everyone to know what you've found, just like I'm certain about Level 42's music. Anyway keep up the various discussions, as mentioned many times there is a scroll button for those not interested Oh no I've just realised everyones using it now cause they are bored so I better get back to work Pete ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #3 From: alexb.green @ btinternet.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:57:32 GMT I maybe a little behind the times but what has happened to www.level42.com Alex ------------------------------ Subject: Overtime Video From: "brian bacon" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 20:13:48 Anyone remember the video to Overtime? Mark and Mike were after the same girl in a factory. Mike being the boss and Mark being a lowly employee. It was quite funny. It may be on an Mpeg somewhere. Brian. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Subject: Drumming 42 From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:27:39 -0500 >From: "LaBossiere, David" > >which L42 song >would be categorized as the hardest song to play on drums. No single song comes to mind as the most difficult for drums. Phil has a distinct way of playing his hi-hat which is very difficult to emulate, but he uses this style in many songs. Generally, the earlier fusionesque songs are more difficult simply because the arrangements are so much more complicated than the later poppier tunes. From the Gary Husband period "If You Were Mine" is the most difficult drum-wise. Gee, I wonder who wrote that one? ********* >From: Joey Vela >As far as matched vs. traditional grip, I >would assume that he plays matched grip because only Blackwatch -type >military drummers and old-time jazz drummers use traditional grip. Like that Dave Weckl guy. I hear he was leader of the Old-Tyme Military Marching Drummers Squad before he downgraded and joined Chick Corea's Elektric Band. ...Alex... ------------------------------ Subject: Difficult drums From: Joey Vela Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:08:26 -0600 > Many times we've heard threads about what is the hardest song to play on > bass. As I was driving over to the train station this morning, I was once > again enjoying the reissues. I was so enjoying Phil's drumming on the Level > 42 reissues. I wondered, especially since I'm not a drummer, which L42 song > would be categorized as the hardest song to play on drums. Any thoughts > from those who beat it every so often? I think that any of the Phil Gould Level 42 songs could be deemed difficult to play, not so much from a technical standpoint, but from an overall standpoint of feel. His beats were fairly easy to play technically, but his groove is almost impossible to imitate. Phil's sense of timing was unbelievable. Like the best funk drummers out there, he knew how to hold the beat back just enough to groove the sh*t out of it without slowing down the tempo. A good example is "A Physical Presence" from World Machine. It sounds like a really easy beat. Right? Now try to play it with the same bump-&-grind sexual groove that Phil plays but WITHOUT SLOWING DOWN. Easy? I think not. Even on fast songs like "Micro Kid", "World Machine", and "Fashion Fever", Phil could still groove it like that. Gary Husband, in contrast, was much more rock-oriented and technically-minded, and of course he had a tune or 2 that were more technically-challenging. "Over There" comes to mind as well as "If You Were Mine". Dig those fills! He reminds me of Dennis Chambers on that one! TCOY, Joey V 101010 2A ------------------------------ Subject: Level 42 Jam in DK 2001 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dj=20easy?= Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:14:12 +0100 (CET) Hi Sons and daughters, and happy new year. The other day I was searching the word: Level 42 on a danish search engine. It came up with some smaller websites, photos + links, ... and.... a COPY BAND which call themselves : LEVEL 42 JAM ! I have never heard of them before, but i think the`re from the town called Randers, not far away from the famous Puk Studious. You can hire them from the website: www.ddsound.dk they also have a lot of Strippers and nude-models :-) You can also have a look at my website called: www.djeasy.subnet.dk TCOY Brian Fogsgaard Jensen == Visit my HOMEPAGE at: www.djeasy.subnet.dk ICQ no. 34814278 ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk ------------------------------ Subject: MK Matched grip VS Traditional... and tough drum track? From: "Stuart Ross" Organization: Moozo Moozic Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:26:17 -0000 Hi all! Hope you all had a great December celebration... (hope that's PC... lol) Regarding Joey Vela's comment, following a question about which grip MK uses when playing drums, (which went as follows)::: "As far as matched vs. traditional grip (is concerned) , I would assume that he plays matched grip because only Blackwatch -type military drummers and old-time jazz drummers use traditional grip." Urmm.... bollocks! That's simply not true. There are plenty of contemporary drummers, some of them hugely famous, who play trad grip, or both; and some old timers who use match grip. I know this is no big deal, but I get annoyed when this sort of comment is made, and it isn't necessarily true. How would I know? Because I've been a drummer for more than half my life at 29, and I used to work in a very popular drum shop (Poole Percussion (in Poole, funnily enough!)) for 4 yrs+. During this time, I met quite a few of the world's fave drummers as we held clinics with them from time to time. (I shan't name-drop... also, they change grip sometimes, too) Nothing personal Joey, but I wish people wouldn't comment about stuff unless they are an authority on the subject. I've seen/heard so many comments from people about all kinds of things, which are sooo ill-informed. Trouble is, unless somebody who knows better happens to notice the remark, and can be arsed to correct it, everyone who reads/hears it will then become wrongly informed and pass it on to others... They don't stand a chance! That's why so many people in this world are terribly misinformed about all kinds of very significant issues, such as..... I dunno.... AIDS for example. Or maybe some political issues, or anything. Somebody asks somebody who doesn't know, but they won't say, "Sorry, I don't know.", they'd rather make something up and mislead the enquirer - who says "Bloody hell, that's outrageous!" and then goes off in search of some other poor ignoramus to tell all about it! (I'm not as wound up as I sound, I promise.... It's just one of my pet hates :-) Anyway, I didn't mean to pick on you, Joey - it was more the principle I wanted to highlite. Have a great new year all! Yours ashamedly for making a fuss, Stuart Ross. P.S. I reckon "Man" would be a pretty tricky drum track to play, as it's so varied and there are odd time signatures, changes of feel and volume, and some wicked fills (if you were to copy Gary's choice)!!! But that's a matter of opinion, not fact or fiction. SR ------------------------------ Subject: Theme to Margaret! From: "Julian Best" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:09:07 -0000 I've just downloaded the MP3 of "Theme to Margaret" (Thankgod for ISDN!) ......Isn't it bloody fantastic! Well that's it....next set of gigs Mark and it's GOT to be played, again!!! ...That is along with the rest of the Early Tapes etc. More, more, more! please...... I would also like to take this opportunity to recommend Y-Chromo Boyz, I've just received their CD which is also pretty good, (needs a few listens but it does grow on you!). With our support I'm sure they will go far. Can't wait for the album later this year. Take care y'all Julian ------------------------------ Subject: Guaranteed/drums From: Don Z Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:49:31 -0800 (PST) > the Guaranteed album (which i think is one of their > best albums) Hallelujah, another person with the good taste to appreciate the fabulous GUARANTEED album!!! There is hope for this group yet. ;o) > Despite what others on this digest might tell you, > it's an excellent post-Gould brothers and post- > jazz/funk effort. Also > features Allan Holdsworth on guitar! And that's my > final answer!! And another!! > The song is titled "Overtime" and is from the > Guaranteed CD, which I would highly recommend. And yet another! What's going on here??? * * * * * > I was curious as to whether anyone out there has seen > Mark play drums live and what kind of drums he plays > on. Does he play traditional or matched grip? According to what Gary Husband told be at the Jazz Cafe gigs, Mark currently owns the yellow Pearl kit which Gary used on the '99 tour (including that year's JC shows). Gary now has a new yellow Tama StarClassic kit. As for the grip subject, please see the video-documentary "The Pier: King of the Isle". Happy New Year to all the Level Hedz! - Don Z. http://members.aol.com/donworld __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mike=B4s_question?= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sole_G=F3mez_Escala?= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:44:08 +0100 Hi, everybody! Hi, Mike, Welcome to the Level Digest, we are a big family (except those people that try to bother us with useless comments about everything but music and Level 42 topics). Anyway, I think it would be easy for you to look for the Guaranteed album in record shops of your city or surroundings.Where do you live? It can´t be discontinued as here in Barcelona is available in many shops, so if you keep looking for it you will find it, sure! Cheers! ------------------------------ Subject: Mark and rick ! From: "Scott Glover" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:36:37 -0000 I've just found the two tracks on Napster from Rick Astleys 1991 album Free, The ones co-written with Mark King. The tracks are "be with you" and "really got a problem" And the other really strange thing is that Stuart Clayton, the guy with the new bass book lives a half a mile down the road !! All the best Scott ------------------------------ Subject: MK Live on The Isle of Wight DVD & Video From: Michael Thomas Payne Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:27:24 -0600 Since there has been NO response, maybe NO ONES knows (which I find HARD to believe) anyway! Does anybody know the tracklisting for the DVD/Video, basically what I am after is to know whether or not tracks were cut during the final 'edit'? Also, does anybody know the the proposed release date? Just curious, as the topics have changed from MK "see you at the bar" to Jesus Christ "Real or myth" with a few remarks about the CD singles for Overtime from the best album L42 ever did, Guaranteed! I know that this will start something and get off this high-n-mighty soapbox that some seem to be on longer than they should! ..and I thought I was bad! Mikey