From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest)
Subject: Level42 Digest V2001 #229

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Level42 Digest                                          Volume 2001 : Issue 229
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Today's topics:
   RE: Level42 Digest V2001 #228                     Paul Clifton
   It's not the same for us                          Paul Clifton
   Loz                                               Paul Clifton
   census                                            Paul Clifton
   Glengarry Glen Ross                               Andrew Goodwin
   <none>                                            Richard.West
   Wally and...                                      Jimzgig
   Women                                             Countach
   cats! love 'em.                                   Tom Trudell
   answering questions                               lisa harding
   TheDifference between subtlety and overt...ism    Brian Flint
   guaranteed live                                   whip
   Phil on Singing                                   Mysterio71

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Subject: RE: Level42 Digest V2001 #228
From: Paul Clifton <PClifton @ riverltd.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:16:52 +0100

"No delay"?  You mean no "echo" type delay?  Delay can
also be so short an interval as to appear nearly
simultaneous, yet just slightly behind...thus giving
the impression that the intsrument was double-tracked.
 To further enhance the effect, the delay interval can
be modulated with an LFO, which btw is how a
chorus-pedal works.  Mark got his "chorus" effect in
the old days with those Yamaha delays, which he
mentioned in a recorded interview I heard recently"

trust me, i know how analogue delay pedals work, and i am familiar with
short delay patterns that create a double tracked effect. this isn't one of
them; it is the sound of two different eq settings, so either we have to
assume it was a bi-amped rig with separate mike-ups, or it was double
tracked. given the instrument he was using, and the one he wished to emulate
(stanley clarkes alembic series I) i think it more likely it was the latter.
was the recorded interview you heard the rock masterclass when he is demoing
the harminic chord ghostly effects obtained when applying the yamaha delay
for both echo and modulation, which he refers to as adding "a little wobble
(audience laughs) techincal term; i'm only a bass player remember!"... that
is a great session.

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Subject: It's not the same for us
From: Paul Clifton <PClifton @ riverltd.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:22:30 +0100

You are all wrong. It is Phil. I used to think it was Wally but he denied
it.
and satire hasn't been possible since 1987; where have you been AG?

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Subject: Loz
From: Paul Clifton <PClifton @ riverltd.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:28:56 +0100

"Yes, I admit it, I'm not proud. But Ricky Ross is a genius in the same
catagory
as Boon and Phil
when it comes to lyrics."

I agree wholeheartedly, although he is actually a far better lyricist than
Phil or Boon and as good a pop music composer as Mark or Phil. If picking a
favourite 80s band i would be hard pushed to choose between 42, Deacon Blue
and Prefab Sprout. All are masters of melody, but 42 get the edge due to
their being my first love. Musically I get the best kick from Mark and co,
but lyrically Prefab would win. Anyway; good luck with the wedding - hope
you have a sunny day!

Dr Clifton

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Subject: census
From: Paul Clifton <PClifton @ riverltd.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:37:43 +0100

1) State your name and country of origin
Paul Toby Douglas Clifton, UK
2) When did you join the digest
first time 1997, then again in 1999, then again 3 weeks ago
3) How long have you been a Level 42 fan
Since 1985 when i was 15
4) What albums of their's do you have
All albums on vinyl, most 12"s, and a few white labels
5) What albums do you still need
None
6) Buy, sell, trade?
Nope
7) How many times have you seen them
Approx 80 (put it this way, i saw every london show in 86/87 and that was
when they were doing 8 wembley arenas in a row)
8) Are you on the Live At Wembley Video
Naturally
9) What song?
Something About You and Hot Water
10) Have you bought Trash? Live at the Jazz Cafe? What number? What did
>mark write?
Yes and yes, and Isle of White DVD
messages: "Good luck next week Paul!", "Happy Birthday tosser!" and "See you
and Mica at the Alembic club soon" respectively
11) Do you have a question for LOZ or Winston
Yes Winston; why didn't you give good notice you were blowing Nathania and I
out in New York? lol

ta da

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Subject: Glengarry Glen Ross
From: "Andrew Goodwin" <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:09:53 +0100

>Subject: Coming out of the closet!!!
>From: "Laurence F. GREEN(SED)" <L.F.Green @ shu.ac.uk>
>
>Yes, I admit it, I'm not proud. But Ricky Ross is a genius in the same
>catagory
>as Boon and Phil when it comes to lyrics.

I think I’d better hang up the old comedy typewriter, because I can’t top
that. Ricky Ross, inspiration behind my Maybe Now Baby award for true
lyrical ineptitude?

Maybe now baby (maybe now baby)
Maybe now baby (maybe now baby)
Maybe now baby (maybe now baby)
I’ll do what I should have… did
Because you’re Real
Gone
Kid

Laurence's jobs for the day:

1) Find out where Deacon Blue got their name
2) Investigate further
3) Never look back

AG

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Subject: 
From: Richard.West @ invensys.com
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:12:20 +0100

I realise this was probably suggested as a joke, but what the hell,
everybody else is doing it so...

1) State your name and country of origin
Rich; somewhere on a small blue-green planet orbiting an insignificant
yellow star somewhere in the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of
the galaxy.
2) When did you join the digest?
Early y2k..? I forget.
3) How long have you been a Level 42 fan?
Since I saw them performing F&E on Channel 4 in 1983
4) What albums of their's do you have?
All the studio stuff plus a few, ahem, less than official recordings
5) What albums do you still need?
Trash 2; Live @ Jazz Cafe; Sandra Bullock's "what my girlfriend and I did
one night when we were drunk" photo album.
6) Buy, sell, trade?
Mirror, signal, manouvre?
7) How many times have you seen them?
eight or nine
8) Are you on the Live At Wembley Video?
No. I was completely skint at the time. But I'm there in the Reading mob on
A Physical Presence.
9) What song?
Absolute faves - Heathrow & 42; For making me cry - Leaving Me Now (much
too close to home)
10) Have you bought Trash? Live at the Jazz Cafe? What number? What did
Mark write?
Yes. No. 42(I wish). "Hey Rich! <unreadable><unreadable>, love Mark"
11) Do you have a question for LOZ or Winston?
Loz; why are you getting married? Get out while you still can! (Only
kidding, congratulations and best wishes 2 U both)
Win; how do you feel at the prospect of vocals on the new Mike Stern album?

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Subject: Wally and...
From: Jimzgig @ aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:47:10 EDT

Hello,

As far as the "It's not the Same..." thing, my vote's for Wally. Although I 
could see it being Mark too. Anyone know for sure? And speaking of which has 
anyone heard any news on a new Wally Album? Mike's? Trash 2?

Sorry I've been away for a while... but the smell of scorched html. lingering in 
the cyberspace brought me back I suppose.

Jim

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Subject: Women
From: Countach <countach92 @ yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:24:49 -0700 (PDT)

How many women, if any, are a part of this digest?

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Subject: cats! love 'em.
From: Tom Trudell <oversoul @ earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:44:36 -0700

OK, thanks Eric for the explanation . . .

. . . so I get a digest in the mail, but if I want to reply or post, I have to 
leave the email and go to a website,
then how many clicks to finally post? And can you snip the original for 
reference?

I have my doubts, I like the email digest we have, waaaaaaahhhh.

Welcome, Canadian Julian. Quite an ecletic list o'bands. I think it's eclectic, 
but really I've never heard half of
them (who's "Rush?) :) But I noticed your description of Level42 as a "perfect 
listening utopia" and that's often true
I believe. Toss 10% of the lyrics in the dumper with the rest of the velveeta 
and you have your utopia in my humble
opinion.

and since you started it, our four cats are named
Milo, Rufus (a girl), Sacajawea (Hoonie for short), and Mrs. Bigglesworth (Biggs 
f.s.)

Loz, happy marriage thing! It's pretty exciting, eh? Let's see, what can I get a 
guy in England I don't even know for
his wedding present? Hmmmm, I know: An anti-ballistic missile shield! I'll get 
George W. working on that. It will
probably stop every 42nd missile.

frequently,
-Tom

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Subject: answering questions 
From: lisa harding <mrspink @ lineone.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:43:37 +0100

I think i missed a thred here but here goes.!!

1) State your name and country of origin

Lisa Harding. Great Britain

2) When did you join the digest

2 years ago

3) How long have you been a Level 42 fan

since 1984 'Hot Water' I was 12 years old when i heard it.

4) What albums of their's do you have

I have ALL UK albums and Singles including promos.
I have ALL Japanese albums and a sizeable chunk of promos.
Most of the US and South American releases and Promos and some splendid
hidden gems that are quite rare.
I also own Mark Kings Flying Jacket as worn in the Live at Wembley
Video.

5) What albums do you still need
None but like rarer stuff when it appears.

6) Buy, sell, trade?

Only the doubles I have, the rest I see as my children and will defend
to the death!

7) How many times have you seen them

Level 42 = 41 times since 1990 (i did ALL 15 nights at Hammersmith
in 1990)
Mike Lindup = 2 in Brighton
Boon Gould = 1 in London (his ONLY solo gig)
Mark King = EVERY live show except one at the JC last year when i
was ill

8) Are you on the Live At Wembley Video

NO but I am on the Guaranteed live video and can be seen glaring
at someone during 'Something about you' - short black hair - you
cant miss me!!

9) What song?

In quite a few i am ashamed to say as I was right in the front row
below Marks microphone.

10) Have you bought Trash? Live at the Jazz Cafe? What number? What did
mark write?
?

cant remember what numbers and I my copies are not signed.
I have enough signatures to last me a lifetime and dont need them
to enjoy the music.

11) Do you have a question for Loz or Winston.

Nah - they know what I know ;-)

Later all

Lisa  'Mrs Pink'

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Subject: TheDifference between subtlety and overt...ism
From: "Brian Flint" <wolfbard @ hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:46:47 

  I've said my peace regarding the passed couple of weeks and that does not
factor in what I am about to say, which is prompted by all of you
goody-two-shoes purist "I'm allabout the band" sleeping pills.

>>>Thank you Mr. Robertson for posting a REAL subject worth talking about,
not unlike these OTHER folks who seem to have nothing better to do than to
exchange verbal barbs at each other.  Shouldn't they have there OWN digest
called "we-ain't -funny.com", that way, they can have each other to share
all
their CRAP with!  <<<<

  What makes this kind of remark any more valid than what I've posted in the
last few weeks?????  I've tried posting tid bits here and there the last few
years about the band, questions, comments, etc. I've HARDLY ever recieved
and educated response to those posts. So what does that mean? Was my
question about the band too boring? Irrelevant?
   My point is that, yes I may go too far off the subject. But there is no
difference between that, and ignoring a valid question ABOUT THE BAND.
Because that seems to be what you are all wanking about, "It's a digest
about level 42 which we all love and Ican't enjoy it through all of the
crap" Well, participate by responding to the l42 related questions then. I
gave up asking because nobody would respond. At least your responding to me
now.

  All I've been reading lately is that a small group of us have been ruining
it for the rest of you, I'm sorry you've ruined it for yourself, I've tried
it your way.

   And before you say that I'm one of the ones who was involved in flaming
other digests, let's look at the past issues and seethat I was debating Mr.
Clifton on the merits, or lack there of, of his arguments. I WAS NOT TELLING
HIM THAT HIS MOTHER IS A WHORE AND I DID NOT RESPOND IN KIND.

   I have never used profanity.
   Anyone who actually took me seriously over the nation bashing, I
apologize.

   With all that said, PLEASE lighten up and look at the big picture. My
active posting is asmuch to blame as your inactive posting.

    Peace,

      Bri

P.s The man Mr. Clifton is being harrassed by is a good example of
inappropriate behavior.

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Subject: guaranteed live
From: whip @ talk21.com
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:12:12 +0100

just looking through the vids ive got and correct me if i am wrong but is the 
man playing a 5 string on she cant help herself.
also i think their version of mr pink on this recording is probably the best i 
have heard and seen the band play live.
lastly the bass solo, words cant describe (so controlled)
cheers
kev

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Subject: Phil on Singing
From: Mysterio71 @ aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:59:17 EDT

Fellow Levelers,

    As for the weird falsetto in "It's Not the Same for Us" and "The Bends,"
the man singing is obviously Phil.  We've all heard Mark do falsetto before,
and in my humble opinion, it doesn't sound a thing like Mark.  Plus, if you
look at the credits for Forever Now, Phil is mentioned as a vocalist and
drummer.  Also, isn't it known that he has a very high nasal, if not week
voice?  I rest my case.....IT'S PHIL!!!

    Take care,
        Tim Wojton