From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest)
Subject: Level42 Digest V2001 #180

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Level42 Digest                                          Volume 2001 : Issue 180
                                                        1256 subscribers
Today's topics:
   not so much l42 related                           Rob van Aperen
   Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #179                     SED
   2nd live aid gig                                  Christien De Roo
   Quality                                           J.W.C. Bronski
   Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #179                     Paul Fucito
   Quality bootlegs that HAVEN'T been circulated     Richard Beasley
   Steve Martin Short                                croehm
   Flint Lock                                        alex.friesen
   The St Valentine's Day Massacre                   Andrew Goodwin
   I feel so much better now                         Brian Flint
   Canada: The Fifty-First State                     Cymrusmc
   gillingham thoughts                               Winston Walker
   Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #179                     Nathania Apple
   Digest flirtations                                Nathania Apple
   I know its not Level 42...but                     Jeff Mahoney

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Subject: not so much l42 related
From: Rob van Aperen <vanaperen.rj @ hsbrabant.nl>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:25:03 +0200

/\/\/\/\ /\/\

Hi,

I couldn't resist responding.

> Subject: Bronski Off-Beat
> From: "John Shuford" <shuf @ uswest.net>
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:55:52 -0700
>
> Some people like it, some don't. But at least try to listen to it
> (if not appreciate it) for what it is. He's making music that he's having fun
> writing and performing, and trying out some things he was never able to do
> within
> the context of Level 42. Maybe that means, for various reasons, it's not the
> same sonic quality.  Hear it for what it is.
>

Hear, hear! And still, (in my opinion of course) it's great stuff!

> Subject: troll alert!!
> From: "Dreaming Lady" <stardream42 @ hotmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:43:08 -0000
>
> There are soooo many factors in history that you have no idea of: your great
> great grandmother could've had sex with someone "from another race" (i just
> hate using the word race when talking about humans).
>

There's nothing wrong with using the word race, as long as it has nothing
to do with thinking one race is better than the other. I could not respect
any other opinion.

I wish everyone (coloured people and "pale" people) a very good holiday!
This guy won't look at a computer screen for... six weeks!

Best

Rob

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Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #179
From: "Laurence F. GREEN(SED)" <L.F.Green @ shu.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:57:30 +0100

Level42 @ worldmachine.com writes:
>>I think that you'll find your postulate a bit lacking in it's ability to
>>support any facts.
>
>BRIAN! Brian Brian Brian... Youve put an apostrophe in the wrong place and
>now hell NEVER SHUT UP!

Yes, Andrew's right. "It's" always means "it is" or "it has" and nothing else. 
In future, try
changing the "its" in your sentence
to "his" and if it doesn't make even remote sense, then go with "it's."

I think Andrew and me should form a tribute band: the Z chromo boyz. I can play 
jaw harp.

Well check this out. I'm related to the guy who was the main star in 'Howard's 
Way'. And, my father
attended school with Michael Palin, Joe Cocker and Peter Stringfellow.

No level 42 news today.

L()Z

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Subject: 2nd live aid gig
From: "Christien De Roo" <christien.deroo @ lycos.com>
Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:12:44 0000

Hi all,

Just read in the newspaper that Midge Ure (ultravox) is planning a second live 
aid-gig. Madonna, George Michael and robbie Williams are approached.
Ure also wants to ask the Bee Gees, Debby Harry (blondie) and Barry Manilow.
Don't you think it would be nice to see Mark King also on that Live aid gig ? 
Mark is a friend of Midge Ure after all.
The gig will happen probably at 20 October. (special day for Mark, I know).
Then the whole crowd could sing a birthday song for Mark, you never know.

Have a nice weekend
Christien

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Subject: Quality
From: "J.W.C. Bronski" <jwc.bronski @ gmx.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:59:45 +0200

>JWC

>*** JWC - ARE U A U2 FAN BY ANY CHANCE? - YOU MUST BE AFTER WRITING THIS
>C**P

I can asure you that I'm a big Level 42 fan. I just forgot that the first
rule in this digest is "Don't say nothing negativ about anything related to
Level 42". Maybe I should have said something about Canadians or Madonna.

I't also very funny to see that at least one person thinks that my names
first letter stands for Joe.
I was just talking about quality in general. In my opinion even a low-budget
artist can maintain a certain quality.

Isn't the Level 42 Digest the best place to dicuss the quality of
yesterday's and nowaday's Level 42 related artists and products?

J(not Joe)WC

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Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #179
From: Paul Fucito <xesquire @ yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:37:11 -0700 (PDT)

>Subject: New Human League Single / Video!!!!!
>From: Paul Fucito <xesquire @ yahoo.com>
>
>Go here to listen to the song and watch the video
>(which is very cool). Phil sounds great and the girls
>still look fabulous. In fact, I doubt the three of
>them age at all....

Paul Fucito, Proprietor of
www.rose-tinted-spectacles.com

Hey now, I resemble that remark. Besides, I believe
the above would be more accurate if I said "Click here
and check out the new Level 42 single and video with
all four original members. Wow, do they ever age....?"

Paul F

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Subject: Quality bootlegs that HAVEN'T been circulated
From: Richard Beasley <m200 @ powergendirect.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:44:13 +0100

All,

It's great to hear that the 'Live at Gillingham' CD is so good and will
hopefully be with everyone soon, but I keep reading in the Digest about all
these other 'high quality' bootlegs that exist, then I read today about the
copy of the "One Man" gig given to Tom Trudell by Pascal, it may not be the
greatest performance ever, but hey, at least you've been given a copy to
listen to. I mentioned this to Alex regarding the poll for the live track
for the updated website as to whether all these live tracks could be burned
onto a CD for the Digesters to have, he didn't have the facility to do this
but I then wondered if other Digesters with different bootlegs could perhaps
pool their material to create some great CD's for us all to benefit from, I
personally have no qualms whatsoever in paying for blank CD's and postage to
receive such material, I am totally in agreement with Des Lynch ( Digest 176
) on this. It is because of the generosity of people such as Stephen Whyte
that I myself am now able to receive the Digest CD's and I am now hoping
that our fellow L42 fans will do the same, as Stephen says, other people
copied them for him so he is happy to now copy them for me, let's see a
little team spirit please. As a new subscriber I'm not aware of any protocol
or infringements that may exist regarding copying but it would be fantastic
if this could become a reality. Lastly, thank God someone has tried to put a
stop this infantile bickering between our American and Canadian friends,
some comments were 'tongue-in-cheek' but others were quite vicious. I expect
to read interesting articles about Level 42 in the Digest not a load of
bitching.

Here's hoping

Richard

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Subject: Steve Martin Short
From: croehm @ mindspring.com
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:03:52 -0400

> All I have left now is to see an elephant fly.

I don't know, but if it's anything like a horse fly, you don't want to see
it!

> PS I seem to have a problem with my computer, as yesterday’s Digest
appeared
> to fail to mention the Y Chromo Boyz. Could someone explain how I have
> inadvertently switched on the Y Chromo filter?

I'm at least glad they didn't call themselves X Chromo Boyz.  That would
really be confusing.

> By the way, one of my claims to fame :  I was NEARLY related to Kim Wilde!

I was nearly related to Friesen.  Thank god that didn't happen.

BTW, Don, don't try to answer any more technical questions;  Winston'll just
shoot you down.  Why don't you challenge him to a typing contest?

Anyway, I still think the soprano sax solo in GMIAS fits perfectly and
rounds out the song nicely.  Was that Barnacle or Mach?

And......what does the subject line have to do with the content?  Just my
annual weak attempt at humo(u)r while celebrating my nearly fifth
anniversary on the digest.  Y'all keep up the entertainin' dialogue now, ya
hear?

That's me today,

Chuck
Tampa, FL

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Subject: Flint Lock
From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:00:58 -0400

>From: "Dreaming Lady" <stardream42 @ hotmail.com>
>
>>[Brian Flint]
>>So therefore I have ceased all references to Canadian
>>insuperiority, true as it may be.
>
>Ahh, so you still believe that USA is the most important
>country in the world and that Canada is just insignificant.
>

Dreaming Lady, you are so right.  So very very correct.  So excruciatingly
insightful. You make reading between the lines look so easy, it must run in the
family.  How could I have been blinded by the Californicator Mr. Flint?!
Clearly, left to his own devices, he'll have all of North America reduced to
smouldering ruins in no time.  Thank you, thank you, thank you for making the
world a better place for all.

Brian Flint, you pie-eating, timber-rustling, unwashed, long-haired,
spellingly-challenged, ape-descended heathen, I hereby challenge you to a dual!
Twenty paces at dawn!  Choose your weapon!  (Mine will be an Alembic
short-scale.)

     ...Alex...

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Subject: The St Valentine's Day Massacre
From: "Andrew Goodwin" <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:23:51 +0100

>Subject: troll alert!!
>From: "Dreaming Lady" <stardream42 @ hotmail.com>
>
>Ahh, so you still believe that USA is the most important country in the
>world and that Canada is just insignificant.

Have I missed something here? Am I the only person who thinks Brian Flint
has his tongue firmly in his cheek?

>Subject: Intolerant Left Wing Christian Yankee Madonna Loving Homosexuals
>Against Abortion
>From: "Colin Gupta" <thegoop @ sympatico.ca>
>
>No, just egotistical with poor spelling and grammatical abilities.
>
>I also find the musical intolerance amongst us amusing. You may not like
>Madonna, Lighthouse Family, Celine Dione or Brian Adams.

Ding! Confucius he say "Man who berate other’s spelling better be darn
careful himself." I went to school with a kid called Bryan Adams. With the y
and everything. I bet he’s heard every dumb joke in the last 15 years.

>Many people enjoy these artists and what's wrong with that?

They’re idiots, that’s what’s wrong with it.

>Are you better because they find satisfaction in something you think
>should not be appreciated on any level, by anyone?

Now you’re getting it!

To be serious (Flint-readers please note, the irony is being switched off…
now), of course Colin is absolutely right and we should all practice musical
peace and loveliness but, you know, where’s the fun in that? Anyway, if I
thought for a moment anybody read what I wrote about The Lighthouse Family
and took it seriously I’d pack up the old typewriter. Of course they’re
bilge, but I don’t want to stop anybody discovering that for themselves. In
fact I’m led to believe that several people have dipped their toe in the
murky Lighthouse waters purely out of intrigue, and some of them didn’t even
find them suicidally bland. I should be on a percentage. Next I’m going to
try and revive Brother Beyond.

>Careful Nathania. I think he has a secret crush on you.

I would do, only I can’t get Nathania to rhyme with anything for my
adolescent poetry. You can’t have a proper crush without it. I once had a
thing for a girl named Atalanta, and the best I could come up with was:

Atalanta Atalanta
How I wish that you were mine
Won’t you let me be your Santa
And I’ll be your Valentine.

That put a stop to it pretty sharpish.

>Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #178
>From: "Jennie Irvine" <Jen.IOWight @ BTInternet.com>
>
>Just to let you know Andrew, your reply to my message on todays Digest was
>really funny!  I had a bad day at work and came home to this, which made me
>giggle for ages!!!!!!

Doomed forever to make women laugh uncontrollably. Such is my fate.

>By the way, one of my claims to fame :  I was NEARLY related to Kim Wilde!

Now that is impressive. I once nearly married Jennifer Lopez. Only an ocean,
wads of cash and the fact we’ve never actually met prevented it.

>Subject: Wherever he wears his hat, that's my promotional opportunity.
>From: William Burnett <bill @ eatfirst.demon.co.uk>
>
>But was wearing a staggeringly large hat, when I saw him with Los
>Pacaminos down the Cartoon Club (179 - 183 London Road, Croydon, London
>CR0 2RJ where my band Sphere3 will be playing this Sunday evening 9pm
>only 3 quid by the way) a few years ago.

And with an effortless swagger Big Bill Burnett wins the inaugural Y Chromo
Award for Parenthetic Promotion. Truly a master at work.

AG
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Subject: I feel so much better now
From: "Brian Flint" <wolfbard @ hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:36:12 

>>Ahh, so you still believe that USA is the most important country in the
world and that Canada is just insignificant<<

  Dream Lady, I am stunned at your insight. In fact, you caught me so red
handed I don't know how to respond. I can't believe I said that. I'm guilty.
I obviously don't measure up to your superior intellect and gift for reason.

>>There are soooo many factors in history that you have no idea of<<

    Really? Damn, and I thought we were all genetically coded based on
national borders.....I feel like I just have no idea what is going on. But
seriously, if you have paid any attention at all, you'll have known before
making an idiot of yourself that I do know many of the bloodlines from my
mothers side, from her mothers side etc. So CHILL

>>Ehrr, not gonna waste more energy on talking to you. You're clearly one of
those people that I dont like.
The weakest link.<<

  You need a man or something, it's okay, don't like me. And please, waste
more of your time getting worked up over what I say, I'm sure at the end of
the day, you'll feel you've used your time constructively.

  >>No, just egotistical with poor spelling and grammatical abilities.<<

   Egotistical,  At least I'm not running around thinking I've discovered
the missing link because I know both the french and english versions of a
national anthem. Oh, and it's an unwritten rule on the digest that you
forfeit an argument when you have to resort to bashing the syntax, spelling,
and grammar of a post. I'm sorry I didn't proof read and rewrite my email, I
guess I don't take things as seriously as others.

  Now all of you : Repeat after me 'It's Just the Level 42 Digest' Get back
to work.

    Bri

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Subject: Canada: The Fifty-First State
From: Cymrusmc @ aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:11:24 EDT

In a message dated 6/28/01 3:04:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Level42-request @ worldmachine.com writes:

<< Subject: Fred The Two Bit American Canuck
 From: "Brian Flint" <wolfbard @ hotmail.com>
 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:22:48

 Fred Fred Fred,

   Firstly, this was all discussed last week, and since you failed to read my
 follow up, I will summarize. Due to an extensive research into my own
 geneaology (A phone call to mom) I discovered that I have a huge chunk of
 Canadian in my blood. So therefore I have ceased all references to Canadian
 insuperiority, true as it may be. But cxome on Fred, do you actually believe
 in your supposed esteemed intelligence that the mark patriotism, legitmacy,
 or even general knowledge is measured by the ability to recite national
 anthems? So you took the time to memorize Oh Canada in two different
 languages, big deal, in high school I tranlated the Iliad from the original
 latin, so am I like a rocket scientist now? Hardly. If 12 year old girls can
 memorize Britney Spears songs, then I think that you'll find your postulate
 a bit lacking in it's ability to support any facts.

Huh?

I'm so sorry, Brian, but I was defending against the assault on Canada, not
contributing to it, as too many people slam Canada for whatever reasons.
Unfortunate that you misunderstood such a short reply. And as far as being
racist, being racially mixed myself, I find it hard to be racist since I'd
probably end up hating a distant ancestor or something. And yes: my father
was Canadian, so whatever with your little argument. And BTW: the Illiad and
Odessey were originally written in Greek, not Latin. Perhaps another phone
call to your Mommy would help you in verifying historical fact as well as
your geneaology.

I'm really not sure where you formulated the idea that I was racist or that I
was Americo-centric (is there such a word?), or else I would not have said
anything positive about Canada. The fact that more Canadians percentage-wise
know the American national anthem than do Americans themselves demonstrates
that Canadians may be more aware of the world beyond their own borders than
their American neighbors, a trait that the USA can only begin to acquire.

Since I have been away for several months, I duly apologize for not having
read your postings. I really have had other pressing matters on my plate. The
whole point, besides having rebutted the nasty comments on Canada, was that
Level 42 has always had more support in Canada than in the States as far as
North America is concerned. I'm not sure why that is, but I've found more
Canadian imports of Level 42 stuff in the US than US-distributed stuff. Does
this mean that Canadians have better musical taste than Americans as regards
Level 42? I certainly hope so - I shudder at the thought of Americans
embracing The Beastie Boys.

And the possesive pronoun "its" does not take an apostrophe. "It's" is the
contraction of "it is".

And Canada still rocks, Brian. A shame you don't feel the same way.

Fred, The Two-Bit Yankee Californian Bassist

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Subject: gillingham thoughts
From: "Winston Walker" <winman42 @ home.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:44:46 -0400

In addition to Steve Robson's comments on the disc,
I noticed the following:

1. Mark plays the "True Colours" bass line during ALMOST THERE
2. At one point Mark says '88' is gonna be on their forthcoming album
   on ELITE records, so this recording predates the band signing
   with Polydor.
3. Who the hell is playing percussion on this gig? I distinctly
   hear percussion being played while all 4 memebers are playing,
   as Steve noticed. Sadly there are no band member intros.

4. While some of the tunes are not as polished as they would later
   become, the energy and excitement of this gig is awesome.

Big thanks to the Tewes family for unearthing this 20 year old
gem.

Winston

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Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #179
From: Nathania Apple <n @ nathaniaapple.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:10:47 -0700

> From: "Colin Gupta" <thegoop @ sympatico.ca>
> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:57:51 -0500

>> Subject: Calling Californians
>> From: "Andrew Goodwin" <nightfly83 @ hotmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:51:23 +0100
>>
>> I have a favour to ask of any altruistic Californians out there.
>
> Careful Nathania. I think he has a secret crush on you. Just tell him you
> smoke while listening to Lighthouse Family; instant turn off. It worked for
> me.

Thanks for the warning, Colin, but I'm a big girl and can take care of
myself. ;)  And yes, in case you were wondering, I am an altruistic
Californian!

~N.
--
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http://www.aici-sf.org

Color Designer & Personal Image Consultant
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Subject: Digest flirtations
From: Nathania Apple <n @ nathaniaapple.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:11:41 -0700

And by the way, AG has been flirting with me since 24 Jun, 1998. I looked it
up on the archives! There've been no ill effects yet! LOL

Nathania
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Subject: I know its not Level 42...but
From: "Jeff Mahoney" <jeffm @ cia.com.au>
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:58:29 +1000

Hi All
For me here in Sydney the Digest arrives at 8pm
and my Incognito mail last night was like at 2 minutes to 8pm. I had no time
to review the album so here goes.

Best release since Beneath the surface...for me......
typical COG album........slick and funky...
no Maysa but the new girls sound like her and do a great job...... I
recommend this album for its superb musianship and singing.......since there
is no LEVEL 42 this is the next best thing........ beautiful stuff.
and I gave the DVD another go today (Saturday)
nice and Loud.......some of them LEVEL songs are so good........and take
care of yourself is just like the cd.......

Thanks to all the people who mailed me today about the Cog........

and one last thing........to my American friends
.........Lolita EMIKATIE and James
it is 42 days till I Fly out .....from Sydney to New York.

Cheers From Sydney
An Impeccable Groove
Jeff