From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V2001 #12 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 2001 : Issue 12 1385 subscribers Today's topics: Re: Wally's Echoes Illya Vaes Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #11 SED Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #11 Mark M Walsham totally tantalized Nigel Collier Guaranteed, album covers Neil Percival 'crap tunes'?? goldie100 Gavin Harrison / Wally Badarou's "Echoes" on CD Jason & Sherry Nuckels Phil v Gary and fav album =?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20>> Guaranteed & Forever Now Eric Pseja Wally World alex.friesen stuff Winston Walker silly, very silly David Cousins NEWTONE? Julio Aguilar Blessing Norman van den Wildenberg water runs uphill Tom Trudell L42.com Richard Maybury Haunted House Desmond Lynch [ILF] The Blessing - William Topley Mueller, Carl Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #11 TenthSun Worst ever L42 tracks Brian Crap Songs? Julian Best ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Wally's Echoes From: Illya Vaes Organization: Holland Railconsult BV Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:18:32 +0100 >From: "Dawayne Bailey" >I found a copy of Wally Badorou's Echoes on cassette recently. I've never >seen it on CD. Is this rare or a common release? Don't know, found and bought it in a normal CD shop once. I suppose you could order it if you know the catalog number (I don't know offhand, it's Island Records and something with 105 I believe). The same goes (went ;-) for "Words Of a Mountain" BTW. -- Illya Vaes (ivaes @ hr.nl) "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385 Not speaking for anyone but myself ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #11 From: "Laurence F. GREEN(SED)" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:15:55 +0000 Level42 @ worldmachine.com writes: >BTW, How about a page of Digest 'funnies'? I'd love to see all the Level 42 >booze-related song titles from a month or two ago collected together into >one place. Also, LOZ or ERIC H, please, please, please do some digging and >try and find all Loz's voicetypes lyrics (from 4 or so years ago now - pre >Digest search engine). If you search for the string "Canterbury shoes" >you'll find them. They remain the funniest posts I've EVER read on the >Digest. Nothing short of comedy genius. Ahhh, those were the days. I'll have to get that microphone out again and give some of the newer songs ago. Voicetype eh, what a waste of money that was. I neve realised that when you have to pause for a second between each word, you actually type twice as fast as you speak - doh. As for Des'ree. I think I just had a downer on her because I think astrology is a bag of the proverbial. Did you know, in our office, we literally have bags of sh*te hanging around, which some of the urban wastewater researcher have to examine!!!! ANyway, enough. Gone L()Z ------------------------------------------------------ Laurence Green Research Assistant Sheffield Hallam University School Of Environment and Development City Campus Advanced Construction Research, Room 302 Sheffield S1 1WB TEL: 0114 2253368 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #11 From: "Mark M Walsham" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:28:11 -0000 >Subject: GREAT DIGESTS >From: Bowman Brian 2Lt 442 FW/PA >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:47:57 -0600 >Hey everybody! I think Brian picks out an important point about record companies. Mark and Mike's attitude of 'if this one stinks, then we'll just do another' says something about the attitude of artists and record companies from the 80's. A lot of bands made a lot of albums during the eighties, and there was a much more relaxed attitude to recording and promotion, and the bands themselves had a much higher musical profile than today. What really started to kick in during the late eighties, and the early nineties, is that record companies started to realise that they need to be more commercial, to thus make more money, and I think their attitudes started to change. They decided that they needed to rationalise a lot of things. They started to move away from bringing on the bands, supporting them through thick and thin, to trying to make bands very commercial and financially viable. If the band produces a flop, then drop them, there is always something big around the corner to generate that revenue. In today's world, it's all about promotion, take last years Spice Girls vs Westlife debacle. Two bands that appeal to certain markets, with Westlife coming out on top because they were splattered (I wish) over everything, TV, RADIO, NEWSPAPER, WEB, MAGAZINES, you name it, they were there. And does this mean they are a good act? Not at all, IMO all their songs sound the same, but I bet they sold a shit load of records, and the record company execs are very happy (and rich). Whereas in the 80's, bands sold records from their reputation and quality of output, not promotion. As I said above, this started to change in late 80's/early 90's, and it's why bands like L42 fell by the wayside. Sad but true. Incidentally, I think The Ape is good, would be better as an instrumental, but is light years better than A Kinder Eye, which I have only ever listened to once, and it's crap. Have a good weekend guys and girls, TCOY, Mark. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Subject: totally tantalized From: "Nigel Collier" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:37:37 -0000 In the Fait Accompli video, the band are doing a photo shoot with which they're all uncomfortable - but they go along with it because it's been decided that's THE look they need for promotion of the album. Look at the great pictures on the reissued albums recently, there's no way ANYONE in marketing would have told them to dress or look like THAT! And that kind of sums the difference between early and late Level 42 for me. I know it's well documented that Mark doesn't regret the shift from the early stuff to SATS etc. But you can't deny there was an innocence and an enthusiasm in the early days which, by definition, was overtaken by other factors later on. Just listen to the first full minute and a half of Eyes Waterfalling on 'Pursuit of Accidents' - the band are obviously enjoying experimenting and playing around, they're in no hurry. Somewhere along the line the focus changed from totally free thinking music for its own enjoyment, to a conscious (still of their own free will) effort to make successful pop songs (of which they made some damn good ones) to some kind of directionless stuff which we are to believe was confused by the interference of the record label. How many people think our beloved lads could have gone down in history as one of Britain's/the world's great heavyweight jazz funk band had it not been for their dalliances with the charts? After World Machine they went down the pop path and were led astray IMHO. I like all their stuff, don't get me wrong, but I'm totally tantalized by what they might have sounded like today if they had have taken the 'jazz' path after World Machine. Cheers Nigel ------------------------------ Subject: Guaranteed, album covers From: "Neil Percival" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:56:26 -0000 > Guaranteed was described by Neil (above) as a recovery album. If it was then > it did'nt recover the band at all. It was the album that set Level 42 back. > It was going to be very difficult anyway, the band were going through quite > a transition. Maybe Guaranteed's darker feel is a symbol of that period in > L42's history. What i do remember of Guaranteed with great pleasure was the > Guaranteed tour. When I referred to it as a 'recovery' album I meant according to my personal taste, not commercially... I had been so thoroughly disappointed with 'Staring At The Sun' that to me, Guaranteed represented a bit of a comeback musically, but I agree that it didn't do the biz for them commercially. This is one thing I love about the Digest - so many people like so many different songs and there seems to be room to be accommodate so many different shades of taste within their catalogue! Speaking of 'All Over You' - a few years ago I heard three Level 42 tracks played back to back on a local radio station, and 'Love Games' was mixed straight into 'All Over You' - with very telling effect. I had always regarded 'Love Games' as a true classic and Level 42 fave, but was never that keen on 'All Over You', but hearing them back to back made me realise how much they have in common - try it sometime. Finally: 2 philosophical thoughts which may be stating the blindingly obvious (or may be vehemently disagreed with): 1. People like the Level 42 stuff that is most like the FIRST stuff they discovered, and got into. For me I discovered RITF and World Machine first, then worked my way back through the catalogue. As Joey said, people like what's familiar to them. Fans search for more of the same in older recordings - and expect more of the same in releases to come. Bands and artists have to evolve and move on for their own sanity, but fans want more of what they like, which depends on when they got into the group. 2. It is very difficult to separate your reaction to an album, to your reaction to its cover! The feel of the cover is in some degree subconsciously associated with how you approach the music. World Machine had a very clean, professional, minimalist, even slightly mysterious cover and to me this perfectly matches the package inside. The Pursuit of Accidents sends out confusing messages which don't relate to what's inside. Staring At The Sun - well what was all that oriental stuff supposed to do? Guaranteed, too, LOOKS more like a rock album with all the black leathers, dark imagery, lack of colour etc and to me this was not what I expected or wanted from the music. I know it's the music we are all into, but just try, for example, imagining World Machine coming out of Guaranteed's packaging and imagine how it would colour your impression of it. Neil. ------------------------------ Subject: 'crap tunes'?? From: "goldie100" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:26:45 -0000 Possibly we would all agree that there are no real specific 'crap' tunes - just 'least favourite'. I would agree that it is possibly the best idea to leave some tunes well alone for a while, then go back to them occasionally. Although there were some songs I loved when I was a teenager, they no longer have the same effect - simply because as you mature, your tastes may change. I never liked songs like 'The machine stops', 'Eyes waterfalling' and 'I want eyes'. The trouble is, you buy an album and there are usually a few you like on it and a few you want to skip after hearing them a couple of times. I usually took the time to tape my favourites from each album onto my very own 'Greatest' collection, which would obviously not be someone elses 'Greatest'. Yeah, we all really love L42 (that much is obvious) but loving them should mean being objective, and not listening to any old shite they release simply because you are a fan (Westlife fans PLEASE take note). Remember what George Michael said when he left Wham? "It got to the stage where we could fart on stage, and release the record, selling millions-it's then you should quit". I think that maybe the bands popularity DID wane during SATS. I quite liked it, despite the change. The ones I'm not too keen on would be 'Tracie' 'SATS' 'Man' and 'Gresham Blues' I don't think that 4 out of 10 is that bad. Alex - You gonna show me how you play your instrument? do you have callouses too?!. Cheers, Lozzie xxx PS: I was going to mention the Nigel Dick connection (video director - I think it was 'Leaving me now') but I knew that someone else would reply to it - I didn't want another 'Marks scar'. ------------------------------ Subject: Gavin Harrison / Wally Badarou's "Echoes" on CD From: JandSNuckels @ webtv.net (Jason & Sherry Nuckels) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:07:32 -0800 (PST) Hey Y'all, Great debates about Phil vs. Gary, but what does everyone think of Gavin Harrison's drumming? I'll admit that I've only heard him a few times - on the Forever Now Tour, Jakko's CDs (he's also a helluva bass payer - listen to "The Pefect Kiss" on Jakko's "Mustard, Gas & Roses"), Incognito's "Inside Life" (a classic), Dizrhythmia, etc. Anyway, I listened to him play on "Kansas City Milkman" on the 1994 tour - FUNKY!! I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks of him... In answer to some previous questions, Wally Badaro's echoes DOES exist on CD. A good place to try and find that (along with "Guaranteed" on CD) would be www.gemm.com . Keep it Funky! Jason Nuckels :-) ------------------------------ Subject: Phil v Gary and fav album From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Harbron?= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:23:35 +0000 (GMT) This is my first submission,up to now I've been one of the silent majority content to scan through the newsletters.But no more. Drumming has been a part of my life for 22 years and I rate Phil and Gary amongst my five main influences (Stewart Copeland, Mark Brz. from Big Country, and the mighty Vinnie C.). Phil and Gary are different. Be boring if they weren't. Both produced dull material (Something about You and Worlds Collide) but as drummers they have to follow the song and fit the tune. Phil clearly got bored in 85 - live performances were not as involved as earlier shows and as he said in as interview in Rhythm mag in 85 it was becoming a conveyor belt. Gary provided a staggering difference that allowed alot of the material to be re-interpreted, not to everyone' taste of course, but I'd have to argue that the RitF track on Guaranteed video shows Gary really lifting the track. My favourite moments from both would be Phil's Empire & Foundation on APP live and all of Forever Now, and Gary's OverThere from the LiveCD and his work on the Prince's Trust show esp the Spandau Ballet tracks. These are equally good but wouldn't work if they were played by the other drummer. And what's with these two and silly haircuts? On a different point, I have an audio tape of a concert broadcast in 83 by the OGWT. I had the accompanying video but alas no more. Has anyone got a video copy or a decent copy cause my tape is sure to break soon. The running order is : Dance on Heavy Weather Starchild Microkid I want Eyes 43 (inc fantastic drum solo) Living it up Are you hearing This is LFT at their best IMHO, including the much missed percussion breaks where they all beat hell out of rota-toms. Well that didn't hurt, so I might do it again. SleepWalker ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Subject: Guaranteed & Forever Now From: "Eric Pseja" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:27:58 -0500 To me, the greatest pleasure about loving a band with an extensive catalog (like Level 42) is being able to enjoy the diversity of sounds presented over the entire regime of albums. While Guaranteed and Forever Now are certainly not in the exact same vein of any of the earlier albums, they each have their killer tunes. For instance, Guaranteed sports two of my personal all time favorite songs - Overtime and Seven Years. Overtime is punchy and singable, complete with sections that showcase each member's ability. Seven Years... you got Mark playing fretless! 'Nuff said. As for Forever Now, you've got Mark and Mike whoopin' it up with some funky stuff that's quite the departure from other materials. Forever Now, while not the tightest tune on the album, has some Earth Wind & Fire style horns, and a great melody to sing. Very different! And the Resurgence release has two of my favorites from the album - The Bends and Heart on the Line. I love this album, and while some of the songs aren't killers, there are enough yummy tunes to satisfy my apetite. In conclusion, all I can say is - it's not always about the "group" as they were in their heyday - it's about the SONGS... if an entire album doesn't get you, then listen to the songs individually and you may find greater pleasure in them. +EPseja+ ------------------------------ Subject: Wally World From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.ca Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:15:04 -0500 >From: "Pete Willis" > >Guaranteed a dodgy album? >It does contain 'The Ape' which is still mystifying me >why it ever got included on any CD ever. Makes me wonder. How many of the ultra-rare tracks that we all lust after are, in fact, on the level of "The Ape"? Scary though, eh wot? *********** >From: "Brian Flint" > >... > That's my serious post for this month, so everyone go to hell :D Mr Flint is truly the king of suspense. Right up 'til the end of his post he had me thinking he had a warm, fuzzy, loving side, only to show his true colours at the final moment. You should be writing scripts! (Or, on second thought, perhaps you should just dictate them.) ********** >From: "Dawayne Bailey" > >I found a copy of Wally Badorou's Echoes on cassette recently. I've never >seen it on CD. Is this rare or a common release? I've seen it on CD only once, and promptly bought it in spite of the outrageous price. It was at HMV a couple of years ago, so presumably it's still available. ********** >From: "Mike Bartlett" > >copy of 'The Very Best Of' CD last night when it occurred to me that Level >42 could have used the services of a copy-checker before going to print. > >1: In the track listing information, Wally Badarou's name is spelled >incorrectly (as Baradou) no less than 17 TIMES; >[etc.] Note the small print at the end of the credits: "Edited by Brian Flint." ********* >Subject: Candy gram >From: EMIKATIE @ aol.com > >mine came out to be "jam her now". But can anybody beat the anagram for my name: "real fine sex"? ...Alex... ------------------------------ Subject: stuff From: Winston Walker Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:27:10 -0500 Been reading the last few days, and intriqued by the Guaranteed & Forever Now opinions posted. I personally like both albums, but not all tracks on both. However, i do NOT feel that Forever Now was a step back into the past for the band. My opinion is that this was more of the mid 80's pop sounds, updated with 90's production techniques. Some great songs, and one of my faves ever, LIAPW. Still my fave album is probably TPOA, and always will be. Nice combo of the vocal and instrumental tracks. Love those instrumentals. Great to hear 3/4 of the band doing Haunted House on the www.boongould.com website. Big thanks to Boon and Lars for continuing to push the envelope with their site. One reason I love this digest is we get some great opinions, and some funny stuff. I cracked up reading Brian Bowmans thoughts about the last few days being the best stuff ever on the digest. It's funny because NOTHING new was said at all, just a rehash of old topics: Old vs. New albums, Phil & Gary, etc. Hey, what can you say?, The digest topics are cyclical, so it's good news for the future since we have gotten all the aurguments out of the way. :-) Willem, I have a 12inch single home by 'The Nightcatchers', which was produced or remixed by Mark King. Cant recall which. I do have an mp3 laying around of the track 'I Can't Believe', and i'll try and get it to you, if you email me privately. Dawayne, 'Echoes' on cd is very common. Mike, you have faaaaaar too much time on yours hands doing all that spell checking on the cd liner notes. hahaha The 'James Brown' remix of Hot Water is actually the remix released by A&M records in the USA. It includes samples of 'Eddie Murphy' singing his impersonation of James Brown. This was taken from Eddie's first comedy album. It's quite possibly the most boring remix ever. 7-10 minutes of the same crap, over and over. AND they had the brillieant idea of including a DUB mix on the flip, which actually is MORE boring than the A side. Tcoy, Winston ------------------------------ Subject: silly, very silly From: David Cousins Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:22:47 +0200 Yesterday, Nigel Collier wrote: "please, please, please do some digging and try and find all Loz's voicetypes lyrics (from 4 or so years ago now - pre Digest search engine). If you search for the string "Canterbury shoes" you'll find them. They remain the funniest posts I've EVER read on the Digest. Nothing short of comedy genius." I wasn't on the Digest that long ago so I tried the search. Yep, comedy genius indeed. And it reminded me of an experiment I did a little while ago. Being a translator, I like to try out these automatic translation programmes that you can find on the Internet - really just to prove to myself that I still have a job to do and that I'm not about to be replaced by a machine. The one I've used the most is the Babel Fish translation tool which can be found on AltaVista's homepage. I stuck the lyrics to "To Be With You Again" in there, got the machine to translate them into French, and then its own French version back into English again. And then I tried the same thing through German. Here's what came out (the lyrics were slightly too long for it to manage the whole lot and it ran out of memory just before the end). To Be With You Again translated through French: I had taken steps in the chains, rolled up around my hollow heart that the thought of you remains. I then not to substitute your face anyhow I test and the night I cry to want you. You know I thought I could not destroy, America called me, you said that I must choose between a life of the love or the visions which fade and maintaining the choice is made I if am insulated. Can you feel me to reach outside with you? I are so alone are you only too? I would give anything to incite you to understand that I anywhere would be with you still. The sky help me if you can. I remember better days but now I understand that you cannot buy happiness, the love is not on sale which the night turns pale and I need you. I tried to speak time is here to remain) the empty ears that left (but time does not listen to a word I say (hour to play). The dream became a large machine out of the command and here inside my heart which I am so alone. Where are you now where I need you thus? I am so alone I need you to know, I would give anything (can you feel me) to incite you to include/understand (the attack outside with you) and I anywhere (where are you maintaining) would be with you still (when I need you). I was held under the rain, I tried to break the chains, I required your name (something broken inside me), I must be with you still, ouais baby. Can you feel me (can you smell to me now) to reach outside with you? I am so alone (am I thus girl alone) are you only too? where are you now (I would go anywhere) now me need you you thus? I am so alone (I am thus girl alone) I need you to know. I would give anything to incite you to include/understand, and I anywhere would be with you still. And you are the only one who can break these chain And through German: I took, rolled up measures in the chains around my hollow inside, which remains the thought by you. I cannot replace your face, no matter how I try and cry at the night I from the desire you. They know, I thought, I not to lose could do, called America me, said you that I must select sights, which will fade between one life span of the love, or and now I are educated the selection is so lonely. Can you believe me to achieve to you out? I am, therefore you are lonely also lonely? I would give everything to let you understand that I would go everywhere, with you to be again. Skies help me, if you can. I remember, to better days I do not understand however now that you cannot buy luck, am love for sales, which the night slats turns and I need they I have tried to speak the time which does not empty away to play (however the time is here to remain) ears to a word to hear, I legend (time). The dream became a large machine from control and here within my soul, which is so lonely I. Where are you now, when I need you in such a way? I am, thus lonely need I you would know, I everything (to be able her me believe), give you (to you it achieves out) would understand let and I everywhere (where you are now), go with you being again (if I you need). I was located in the rain, I tried, to break the chains I proclaimed your name (somewhat inward cleverly of me), I must with you be again, yeah to baby. Can you believe me (to be able it me to believe now), to achieve to you out? I am, thus (I am thus lonely girl), am lonely also lonely you? where are you (I would go everywhere), now I need you now in such a way? I am thus lonely, (I am thus lonely girl), need I you to know. I would give everything to let you understand and I would go everywhere, with you to be again. And you are the only one, who these chains brec Sorry for being a sad old git, but I enjoyed them. Somewhat inward cleverly of me, can you smell to me now? David ------------------------------ Subject: NEWTONE? From: "Julio Aguilar" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:17:13 -0000 Hola a todos levelheads del mundo. La siguiente es un dato para aquellos que gustan del acid jazz (L42 no esta en esta vena, pero supongo que hay varios adeptos dentro de este pequeño grupito!) basicamente es para aquellos que gustan del acid jazz que solia hacer jamiroquai.Hubo una banda en suecia llamada Newtone cuyo sonido era muy similar a Jami, y tenia ese sabor a 70's que hace que uno de deje de escucharlos...Desgraciadamente solo tengo 7 de los 13 temas del unico disco que sacaron (Newtone - 1996) asi que si hay alguien que lo tiene cuidelo como oro porque practicamente esta decontinuado desde 1998 y en Japon el precio llega a $ 30 Si pueden conseguirlo por un menor precio HAGANLO! no se van arrepentir TCOY Julio _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Subject: Blessing From: "Norman van den Wildenberg" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:55:29 +0100 Can anyone help me with some more information about the Blessing they were support act with Level 42 in 1991 Had a hit with Highway 5 Thnaks Norman ------------------------------ Subject: water runs uphill From: Tom Trudell Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:41:57 -0800 I'll add myself to the list of the overly opinionated . . . Least Favorite L42 song: "Talking in Your Friggin' Mindless Drivel Sleep" Guaranteed: Nothing at all wrong with it. Couple of great tunes - Father's Shoes, Lasso. Slightly Better than L42: Talking Heads. Greatest Dream Band: David Byrne, Mark King, Neil Peart. Oh, my God!!! A nice undiscovered groove band: Junk. Most Respected Artistic Stance: this goes to Joe Jackson, who "for a time" refused to make music videos of his songs - he thought it would cheapen the creativity of the music and turn music into video marketing. Look what happened - no one would have been able to distinguish a Britney Spears musical effort if we hadn't been able to see her ass on t.v. God Damn all Corporate Video Soft-Porn Pop and the mindless automatons who "choose" to consume it. . . . of course, Joe gave in and eventually made a few videos. . . . in other news, I'm the DJ of a public radio show in Astoria, Oregon. Fri evening 10-12, KMUN 91.9 (soon we'll be on the internet!) The show is "the Grooveyard" - I watch the digest for funky recommendations, have found a few, and if you are in the area you are invited to tune in! Lots of 70's funk, 80's pop-funk, and acid jazz, whatever the hell that really is. there . . . I'm spent. -Tom T ------------------------------ Subject: L42.com From: "Richard Maybury" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:01:22 -0000 Howdy Folks, Has anyone else noticed when you go to www.level42.com you get Mark King's web site. Is this deliberate ??? Till the DVD comes out... Kansas City Milkman P.S. Thanks to all who replied to my cd / adaptec question. Thanks again, email : maybury @ nildram.co.uk web: www.maybury.nildram.co.uk ------------------------------ Subject: Haunted House From: "Desmond Lynch" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:44:57 -0000 HI Guys Just heard Haunted House, Fantastic stuff, Many thanks to Boon, Phil, Mike and Lars, for making this available to us, can someone please send in D7, the world machine demo's, and any other rare tunes to carl at forevernow for the next download, Great stuff Best wishes Des _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Subject: [ILF] The Blessing - William Topley From: "Mueller, Carl" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:56:23 -0500 Norm, The Blessing toured with Level 42 in late '91 as the opening act on the Guaranteed tour,. I saw them Nov 10th '91 in the R.A.I. in Amsterdam and bought "Prince Of The Deep Water" the next day. There is CD single of Highway 5 which includes the non album track "All My Lies" The Blessing made 2 albums: Prince Of The Deep Water & Locusts and Wild Honey The band: William Topley, Luke Brighty, Mike Westergaard & Neil Dorfsman http://www.williamtopley.com/ In the linernotes of "Prince of.." the name Jeff Porcaro is mentioned The British lead singer was William Topley who has 2 solo albums: Black River & Spanish Wells http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=B200259 Read the small print on his albums and you'll see a familiar name: Paul Crockford There is also a greatest hits combo called Mixed Blessing http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-12-14/music2.html http://www.bouldernews.com/entertainment/music/08ftopl.html http://www.kinkfm102.com/artists/interviews/williamtopley.html http://archives.nashvillescene.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?article=November_25_19 99/Music/Industry Hope this helps, Norm Carl Mueller webmaster @ forevernow.com http://www.forevernow.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2001 #11 From: TenthSun @ aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:55:46 EST In a message dated 1/12/01 6:07:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, Level42-request @ worldmachine.com writes: << Much like the love-hate relationship between Sting and Stewart Copeland, the Mark/Phil dynamic was the center of L42's creativity ... take Copeland out The Police, and the band would have changed dramatically, probably for the worse ... certainly this is true of L42 ... Mike wasn't a strong enough personality (IMO, I don't know him) to keep Mark in check. And of course all the "hired guns" weren't going to oppose him. >> Hi Brian, AMEN!! I love Mark's virtuosity and vocals but, IMO, whenever he's allowed to do his own thing the sound becomes excessive. He needs either a very strong producer or a very strong personality (i.e. Phil Gould) to rein him in and keep him on track. Absolutely right about Heaven in my Hands. I LOVE that song. But didn't at first because it WAS such a radical departure from Something About You, etc. The same happened with the single Guaranteed, although that song has yet to redeem itself to my ears, despite repeated listenings. Phil as lyricist is fabulous e.g. Love in a Peacfeul World, Standing in the Light. Thanks for chiming in:-) Terri ------------------------------ Subject: Worst ever L42 tracks From: "Brian" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:50:28 -0000 Well, to add my 2 cents. I think that the worst ever L42 tracks have to be 'Love Games' 'The Sun Goes Down' and anything on the 'World Machine' album.But then again Na! Only kidding.Would like to say that IMHO 'Bitter Moon' was way crap apart from the title track and that the album wasn't a scratch on 'Influences' I wish MK could retro a little and maybe do some instrumental work like he used to.For me MK has always been a bass player and not really up on the lyric tip so I wish he'd do what he really does best, shut up and play some. Return of the Handsome Rugged Man,Foundation and Empire and Beezer One to name a few. ------------------------------ Subject: Crap Songs? From: "Julian Best" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:54:49 -0000 There aren't many L42 crap songs in my opinion, I don't mind people slagging off songs like "The Ape", or even "Tracie" (Now that is pants!) BUT please please STOP slagging off "Hot Water" & "The Chinese Way"... They are FANTASTIC, esp. LIVE! (I don't care how many times HW & TCW are played live at EVERY gig, I will never get tired of these and no gig is ever going to be complete without them!) ......Just my opinions though. Julian