From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V2000 #9 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 2000 : Issue 9 1165 subscribers Today's topics: basses Server 1 Mark the mix where are you SED\ Good Man In A Storm vocal Pat Flanagan Observations Tom Brown Mark/Mike vocals, Steely Dan, Take 6 Jackson, Lolita Polydor Re-Issues Mike Payne basses, baritones, tenors, and... Greatanger Fenders & GB's DonZipf An introduction james ross Nice voices and other "things". Seichter1 Leaving me now... Norman van den Wildenberg www.mrspink.co.uk ElSavannah The bands biographies james ross The Hand That Rocks The Cradle Andrew Goodwin Hot Water Brian Moore I hear the voices (diddy-doo-wop) Dave Mock Re: Level42 Digest V2000 #8 Martin T. Best Videos available, Videos needed Brian Flint Re: Level42 Digest V2000 #8 TenthSun More bass knowledge Bill Montgomery I'm gonna be the first Tom Brown ------------------------------ Subject: basses From: "David Jacobs (Server 1)" Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:43:48 -0000 Let's just get one thing straight shall we?!! As for Fender basses, there is nothing wrong with them - they are what they are, a bass designed in the 50's - changed, played and built upon over the years. Any instrument that has lasted this long must have something good about it! Hans Grund questions Mark using the Fender Jazz custom. Well, if you look on some web sites, you will see exclusive proof that he has played them (Night of the Proms)! I believe he switched to GB because they had more 'cut' i.e. he couldn't get the sound he wanted from the Fender. I believe the GB's have unbelievable pickups and electronics, for EQ possibilities only rivalled by stuff by Alembic etc. - Oh, Boon plays them too, apparently! Jay Krause" - you asked about a suitable bass of Alembic Ilk. Jay, I think you're missing the point my friend. Good instruments don't have to be bound with Walnut and laced with Cocobola to be the best! I've got three JayDee's and they are very nice, but you could easily play as good or better for less money - one just has to know what to look for! It's difficult to decide whether to play a nice bass, or wear a piece of furniture. I've played some pretty hot basses, and some pretty crap ones - and some of the crap ones were Alembic, Status etc. - so don't think that by spending money you will get top notch basses, they can all be rubbish, regardless of price! Forget looks, try anything out(!) and put balance, playability, sound quality/facilities first! Looks and sheen come as a bonus, but build quality and player benefits are first and foremost. Alembic basses are very nice, but it is arguable if they really are the best 'value for money'. They are not simple to use, either (with q controls etc (see what John McVie (Fleetwood Mac) says about 'em). I suggest you try Stuart Spector, WAL, JayDee, Pedula, Status, SEI, Warwick, Washburn, Musicman/G&L/Fender, Smith and Ibanez for starters! That's just my two penneth worth, but I speak from experience - so please feel free to discuss this with me privately, should you have any further questions/queries etc. Best regards David Jacobs P.S. I hear Phil Gould is now endorsing 'Phallic Cymbals'?! ------------------------------ Subject: Mark the mix where are you From: L.F.Green @ shu.ac.uk (Laurence F. GREEN\(SED\)) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:25:21 +0000 Level42 @ worldmachine.com writes: >Subject: learn to say no >From: Sem Hillenius >Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:49:20 +0100 > >Hi everybody, >I just received a package through the mail (ordered through blackrhythm.com) >that realy mistifies me: >it's a remix album of Learn To Say No. Anybody know this ? >Side A is 45 RPM and contains The Pharmacy Dub. >Side B is 33 RPM and contains The Club Vocal and The Instrumental. >On the label it doesn't even say Level 42. It says The Townhouse, whatever >that is...The info on Level 42 is handwritten on the label. It's one of >those very heavy, unbendable records. Weird... >BTW I'm still looking for the original song (no remix). >Can anybody shed some light on this for me ? Thanks. > >Bye for now, > >Sam Thats a test pressing for the Learn To Say no club promo which accompanied the relesase of All Over You. Townhouse is one of these recording/mixing/procuction studio places. I am looking from someone who use to be on the diget called Mark The Mix, if anyone can help me then please get in touch. L()Z ------------------------------ Subject: Good Man In A Storm vocal From: Pat Flanagan Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:43:52 -0600 > As for "Good Man in a Storm," I have the notion that that was not Mike >who started out the scale and Mark who finished. But rather, I think it was >Mark's voice aided by a voice machine (to get the top of the scale). And as >the scale went down, less and less machine was used until you heard his >official voice bellow in. I only say this because the voice at the top of >the scale did not sound normal or human to me. It sounded very synthesized. >Not that it matters to me or anything, the song's awesome! This debates been held before, and I stick firmly to my opinion that we are hearing THREE voices, first EITHER Mike or PHIL (let's not forget that he can sing, too), then the other of the two, then Mark, nicely blended together in the studio. Love the different harmonies in the choruses (chorii?) of that song. It's one of my favorites. ____________________ Pat Flanagan PFPD -- newmedia marketing consulting a limited liability company PO Box 281, Granger, IN 46530-0281 v:616.663.2250 -- competitive business advantages through creative technology ------------------------------ Subject: Observations From: Tom Brown Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:53:51 +0000 Hi folks ! Long time no write Clare wrote : >>Sabine, as another digest girlie I know what you mean about Marks voice.. >>and yes, his bass playing too.. and then there's his bum!!! Can't decide >>which I like best either... Just wondering how many flames there would be if I wrote something like..... "On Live At Wembley, hasn't Annie got a nice pair of Jugs ..... " Frankly, the thought of Mark's arse (ass for over the pond) makes me want to throw - must be my hormones ! That's all -T ------------------------------ Subject: Mark/Mike vocals, Steely Dan, Take 6 From: "Jackson, Lolita" Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:22:02 -0500 In order to avoid being chastised for too much non-level content, I will first comment on the vocal prowess of the boys. I love both their voices. Mark puts in some really nice riffs in his songs that fit just right. One of my all time favorites is the end of To Be With You Again where he says 'who can break these chains'. That line is unbelievably soulful. I remember the first time I listened to the CD Changes - I literally got the shivers. All of the vocal arrangements, background and lead, are simply stunning. The beginning of the song Changes is unreal. Maybe because I am partial to layered vocals due to my a capella background, that is what I pay attention to. The CD with the best vocal arrangements all around is World Machine, with Lying Still being the best IMO. I suppose since I redid the song and did all the vocals myself I have a healthy respect for how much went into it - I had to do five tracks of vocals! What makes them so great as a duo is that their vocal ranges are complementary, which makes the transitions between the two so much more interesting. I always like it when Mark sings a verse, Mike sings the bridge, and they sing the chorus together. A match made in heaven. Also, never forget the fact that Mark should be commended for his ability to sing so well and play the bass at the same time. That is no small feat. Out of all the singing bassists out there, he combines them both the best. I love Marcus Miller's bass playing, but he is not the best singer. Same with MeShell NdegeOcello. Please don't flame me - I own all of the CDs by both these players and have seen them live multiple times; I am a huge fan, but I don't go to these shows to hear their vocals. I like their songs and love their bass playing - the vocals are last on my list for them. Not so with Mark. Thanks to all who straightened me out on Take 6 - I always thought Claude sang bass. My bad. I suppose I wouldn't know that Brian did anything with them because once they decided to do songs with instruments I stopped buying their CDs. They have such raw talent that they don't and never will need instruments, and the few songs I heard that included them buried a lot of the subtle nuances to their voices so I boycotted. The last CD I bought was So Much to Say. I know they have gone back to pure a capella singing, but I am satisfied with the CDs of theirs that I have. Maybe I'll pick up their last one. Any Steely Dan fans [of which I know there are many on this Digest] GO BUY THE NEW CD!!! You won't be disappointed. It is awesome. It approaches the engineering level of Aja, which is still my #1 engineered CD of all time, and the tunes are very good. I particularly like Gaslight Alley and Jack of Speed. Also, they will be the musical guests on Letterman Friday night for those of you who want to catch one of the songs before plunking down your money. Later!! Lolita **** Important Notice to Recipients **** It is important that you do not use e-mail to request, authorize or effect the purchase or sale of any security or commodity, to send fund transfer instructions, or to effect any other transactions. Any such request, orders, or instructions that you send will not be accepted and will not be processed by Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. **************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: Polydor Re-Issues From: "Mike Payne" Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:13:39 CST A fellow digester was lucky enough to work with Polydor to try to get these reissues see the light of day. Around Jan 99- Polydor was not following through in their typical form, he suggested a writing (non-email/non-telephone) campaign to try to light the fire under Polydor to get these out. Why don't we try that again? But, as much as I want these to be released, I think Polydor has totally dropped the ball and lost a possible market "the rest of the non-digest world". Mrs. Pink....Is Dave Munns still in charge? HE SHOULD BE SACKED, HUNG, AND FORCED TO LISTEN TO BARRY MANILOW ALBUMS FOR ETERNITY!!! Best and Kind Regards, MIKEY42 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: basses, baritones, tenors, and... From: Greatanger @ aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:44:54 EST Hey. When I said Mike's voice went all the way from bass (or baritone) to falsetto, perhaps a better word would have been countertenor. If I'm not mistaken, when one sings falsetto it means one is actually singing out of one's natural range, and Mike's higher notes don't sound forced or unnatural at all... so maybe countertenor is more appropriate. But what the hell do I know? I could just be talking through a hole in my head... Ciao fer now Ann ------------------------------ Subject: Fenders & GB's From: DonZipf @ aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:28:46 EST > One thing annoys me though, why do so many people still believe that > Mark plays Fender basses? (Help me Don Z, please!). I've never seen > Mark playing a Fender Custom Jazz Bass! I know the booklet says that > he used them on "One Man", but a lot of the bass on that album was > synth bass anyway, I wonder why? :-) Well, even I will admit that the Dreadful Abominations (aka Fenders) were adequate for the simple bass lines on that album. But, clearly, Mark realized quickly that they weren't going to cut it live (just listen to the NOTP CD featuring the Jazz Deluxe...yuck!!). > Mark currently plays GB-Bassguitars! Yes, and this reminds me of another popular misconception arising from the Jazz Cafe gigs: After Tuesay's show, Alex Carter from the Bass Centre was showing me a Daphne Blue GB w/ bule LED's which he'd brought for Mark to try. It was very similar to Mark's blue one, except it had a maple fingerboard, rather than rosewood like Mark's. Well, everybody who saw the bass, assumed it was Mark's and came rushing over to pose with it for photos, and I'm sure they've shown all their friends the pics of them with "Mark King's bass" - but guess what? It isn't. Mark may have tried the bass before the show, but he didn't use it during, and it was not "his." Compare your photos with pics from the show - see the difference in the fingerboard? Sorry.... That same night, I met Bernie Goodfellow, who was picking up a Red Wicca GB4 he'd loaned Mark while modifications were being made to his red Cherryburst one. Mark used it as back-up for two of the Ronnie Scott's shows, and it had also been played live by Flea when the Chili Peppers played Camden Palais two weeks earlier. It also had been reviewed by Guitar magazine (see review at http://www.gbguitars.clara.net/dec99gt1.htm), and now I have since acquired it. I had Martin Sims install red LED's in the neck, it plays and sounds incredible, and it's the most beautiful bass I've ever seen. Unfortunately, UPS damaged it when shipping it over! It's going back for repair in the next couple of days. :o( If anybody has photos of Mark from the Ronnie Scott's gigs, playing a red GB with a BLOND neck with NO LED's, please contact me. Also, if anybody saw the Chilis' gig, please let me know. And feel free to ask any GB-related questions you may have, as this bass really is quite a different animal! Cheers! - Don Z. ------------------------------ Subject: An introduction From: james ross Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:53:01 -0500 (EST) I guess things are falling into place it looks as though I am now a levelhead on the internet.the first song I heard way back when was Out of sight Out of mind a long LP with you cant blame louis on the other side,that must have been in 1984 here in Toronto.I later saw them at Massey Hall where previously I saw The Mothers of Invention 3 times,the cream before that,Dr.John,Robert Palmeretc the list goes on.Anyway could I be one of the oldest level fans at 46,well it does sound old especialy since I saw the Beatles when I was 11.Back to the topic at hand sure Id like to see the original band as well but some things do have to end,at least we have a good body of work to listen to and of course hopefully more solo work by all of the guys.I would like to here some of their old solo work if anybody can enlighten me on how to get it I would be thankfull since here in TO we never seemed to have gotten anything in regards to solo work,lastly I dont think the band was really accessable in north america as in europe hence the difference in sales and popularity too bad everyone I played it for became an instant fan.Lots more to say but little time,oh by the way some circles said mark had an ordinary voice but then again some people dont have time to listen,keep smiling james level53sowhat @ yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Subject: Nice voices and other "things". From: Seichter1 @ aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:08:52 EST Hi everybody again, good to have some support (not only from the girls) on my yesterday's contribution! Hey, Clare.....glad you understand what I mean....*smile*.....ha - and I had to look up that word "bum".....!!!!! Is it what my dictionary says????? Hey this is great!! I have never thought about THAT part of MarkyBaby......*lol*.....but I do love his HANDS and his breathtaking smile......uups, did I really say that??....sorry guys....(just girls!!).....oh yeah, and I saw the word "unique" appearing a few times when talking about his voice. Yes, I agree it's VERY unique.....and very...may I say that?......very sexy. (Oh sorry again!!) But I think Clare, you can understand again what I mean. Terri, yes I agree, especially Mark's voice sounds in a way "raw" and so young (but nevertheless very charming) on the earlier albums....and it has become so different now. Much more skilled and mature. Mostly when I listen to Level42 CDs I take my head phones so I don't miss any detail of this wonderful music, and then you can really hear the difference between the older and the newer songs. But isn't it also the way of recording/producing voices which makes them sound so differently? Mikey42, so you are dreaming of accapella versions as well?? So am I!! Wouldn't that be great to have a "Mark King vocal solo" in a gig - no instruments around.....just his voice......?? Hmmmm.....*wonderful*......but not instead of the bass solo of course! Alright, enough of dreaming for now. See you all, x Sabine ------------------------------ Subject: Leaving me now... From: "Norman van den Wildenberg" Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:57:30 +0100 Hi Levelheads, 12": 1985 UK (Polydor; POSPX 776) [ps] 5:00 Leaving Me Now 5:54 I Sleep On My Heart (remix) 3:53 Dream Crazy (taken from the discography by Lazlo Nibble) I've bought this one, but noticed something strange.... Mine is this one... 12": 1985 UK (Polydor; POSPX 776) [ps] 5:48 I Sleep On My Heart (remix) 5:06 Leaving Me Now 3:53 Dream Crazy The [ps] is the same used for World Machine... What is right: a This is a different version; b Lazlo didn't make the discography correctly, and used some not confirmed data..... My opinion..........b (but a small b that is....) Can some-one confirm both a or b please..... The Good man who's called Storm... ------------------------------ Subject: www.mrspink.co.uk From: ElSavannah @ aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:38:55 EST Dear digesters. It is much sadness and regret that I have to annouce the temporary closure of my web site www.mrspink.co.uk. An email was sent to Xoom informing them that I had breached their terms of service and as a result access to my site was blocked. I was also unable to enter the site via my FTP server that I used to upload the site. I emailed xoom at length the try and sort this situation out and was told that my entire site had been deleted becuase of the breach and after much arguing (and a very expensive telephone call) i was able to get from them the person responsible for doing it. I will not go into who that was on the digest as it is not the place to do so but I will say that I am very disappointed in them and very angry. You know who you are and I hope you are happy with yourself (Yes they are a digester and for a while they were a prominent one who I did a number of favours for) I wat to go on record as saying that at no point have I ever crossed anyone on the digest and all the people I have met at both gigs and at level fests have been honest and good people who like me just wanted to enjoy the music. this sad episode has been the last thing in a string of offensive mails etc that have been levelled against me and i am afraid the time has come for me to throw in the towel as there are more important thigs in life. From now i will continue to enjoy Level 42 in the privacy and space of my own home. I will continue to read the digest but i must say it has been tarnished for me by these events and for a while at least i shall be a quiet bystander and make no contributions The site shall be no more as at the moment i have neither the time nor the inclination to rebuild it. I worked too hard last time. I would like to end by saying a massive thank you to all those of you who have been really good to me and have helped with all the projects and things i have undertaken especialy the following few. Lisa Devlin, Carl and Laurel Mueller, Winman, don Z, Lisa Hack, Eric Wheeler, Norman VanD, Andre, Christien De Roo, Morgan, Nick Smith, Richard Maybury, Eric Hanson, Chris Dickman, Adz, Ian Buck, Paul Hammond, Bill Miller, Mikey 42, Raymond persaud and all the others i probably forgot. Thanks for everything and maybe i will see you at the next gig or two! Untill then........................... Lisa 'Mrs Pink' Its was fun while it lasted ............................ ------------------------------ Subject: The bands biographies From: james ross Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:47:26 -0500 (EST) Hello levelheads,could someone out there please send or make available or tell me where ,I can get info on the bands life histories. I would like to know where the guys grew up,education, travels etc in short their biographies.I believe there is a book or more than one written about them I would like to get a hold of it,perhaps someone could tell me how to get it in Toronto,thanks keep smiling,James level53sowhat @ yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Subject: The Hand That Rocks The Cradle From: "Andrew Goodwin" Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:24:02 -0000 > Subject: SEND ME THIS EMAIL AGAIN ... > From: Hans Grund > > these hopeless efforts always make me laugh, they're nearly as funny as most of > AG's postings. I've always dreamed of being slightly better than hopeless. Blub. AG ------------------------------ Subject: Hot Water From: "Brian Moore" Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:16:28 +0000 Digesters, Welcome back................something that Sabine mentioned yesterday, was the version of Hot Water on the Live at The Jazz Cafe CD. I have to agree that I thought it was one of the best "live" versions of Hot Water that I have heard. "Mighty Bins" or not, I thought it sounded great. Just my 3 pence worth......! Brian Moore Tel: 0171 632 2158 Fax: 0171 632 2151 e-mail: brianm @ actuaries.org.uk ------------------------------ Subject: I hear the voices (diddy-doo-wop) From: Dave Mock Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:54:28 -0800 (PST) Hey, Micro-Kids: A lot of good threads in the Digest lately. 1) Re what voice Mark is: I'd say a baritone. The only time I've ever heard him go close to bass is in 'Romance' from 'Forever Now.' 2) Re Mark/Mike and Walter/Donald solo/together: This debate can only have winners, since both Level 42 and Steely Dan are based on musicianship and not star personas. My verdict of course is that the members are better as a unit -- For L42 Mark's voice bounces beautifully off of Mike's and Donald's keyboard noodling is perfect when balanced with Becker's (or their session musicians') ornery guitarisms. BTW for fellow Good Music-ers: I've rediscovered the Dan's 'Countdown to Ecstasy.' Of the pre-'Katy Lied' output, I like it best. Much of 'Pretzel Logic' is good too, dark as it is ('PL' is a very New York album). 3) I appreciate the reference to Paulinho da Costa (sp?). Along with Luis Jardim and Gary and John (da Henpecked Horns), it seems that he's on most of the British-artist albums I own, and quite a few American ones. I think someone has these guys sent a cloning factory and then ships them to Swing Out Sister, L42 et al. They're everywhere! 4) Anyone like Swing Out Sister's 'Shapes and Patterns?' I didn't buy it when it came out, but I got it a week and a half ago. I sounds less jazz-bandy, but a bit better thought-out as a full album, than 'The Living Return.'I thought the liner notes were a bit high-hat, though. TCOY, The Duke == "...brotherhood is not so wild a dream as those who profit by postponing it pretend." (Norman Corwin) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2000 #8 From: "Martin T. Best" Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:35:59 -0000 Tim W: Couldn't agree more about Forever Now. I went for the US version via mail-order because, in my humble opinion, it had a more interesting track selection. Phil's presence on drums makes SUCH a difference - not that Gary's not a great drummer, of course he is, but Phil has a finesse and a feel for when NOT to play that's just delicious. I personally wouldn't hold out too strongly for a reunion, but who knows..? Anthony R: I've always wanted to ask Mark whether he himself detects any Mahavishnu influence in his music of today - an inspiration that strong surely doesn't just go away. Quick Anorak Moment for you: on A Physical Presence, when Mark appears to be noodling about between introducing the band members - the quick, syncopated eastern-sounding bit - he is in fact quoting from a Mahavishnu piece (from Inner Mounting Flame, from memory). Anyhow, enough of me. Regards, Martin www.sniffout.net/home/martinbest ------------------------------ Subject: Videos available, Videos needed From: "Brian Flint" Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:29:54 PST Like all things, it's either "You don't know what you have until it's gone" or conversly "You realize the minimalistic effect on your life certain things have when they are no longer there." I'm sorry to admit that the latter is true. Oh, I've gotten an immense amount of information and friends from the digest, but the fervor is gone. So we can recount the "Single Greatest Level 42 songs" or "The Greatest album as a whole" or "Best (enter instrument of favorite Level 42 member here) used by (enter favorite Level 42 member here)." I think we are probably at the end of the line for those conversatins, although the Mark King Mike Lindup vocals conversation almost sparked some interest. So, to the bemusement of some, the relief of others, my day to day clever retorts and or quips. But I weill offer this......since nobody responded maybe it was missed. I have a Vhs Pal format LIve at Wembley that I want to rid myself of. I'm also in need of Fait Accompli on Vhs us version. Anybody that has any info can email me. Peace ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V2000 #8 From: TenthSun @ aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:39:45 EST In a message dated 3/1/00 5:59:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, Level42-request @ worldmachine.com writes: << Subject: Mark King and Bill Withers: Vocally seperated at birth? From: "Anthony Richards" Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:08:29 -0500 Another quick shout out da international posse of Level 42 funkateers. How y'all doin' ? Here in New York, the local R&B "oldies" station has been playing a lot of Bill Withers' songs lately. As a similar thread to the Mark's/Mike's vocals discussion, has anyone out there ever noticed the vocal resemblence between Mark and Bill? The phrasing, vocal timbre, etc are very similar (Bill could be Mark's funky older brother). Just thought I'd bring it up, or is it just me that hears the resemblence? Hmmmm............... By the way, nice to see all the Brian McKnight discussions going on. Luckily for me, I had the pleasure of meeting Brian on a few occassions during my days at PolyGram. His self titled debut CD on Mercury is killer! He even does a great cover of Hall & Oates' "I Can't Go For That". If ya haven't, check it out! Keep it Funky, "Funky T" Anthony Richards Account Executive/Rainbow Interactive (516) 803-9776 (voice), (516) 396-8742 (fax) arichards @ cablevision.com (e-mail) Visit us @ www.news12.com & www.ezseek.com >> Hi Anthony, Thanks for adding to the thread (and you too Clare!! :-) Okay, this is going to sound weird but I always thought Mark sounded like Peabo Bryson. Or maybe Peabo sounds like Mark. I don't know. Don't laugh me out of the Digest yet 8-) I've always been impressed with the ...smoke, I guess in Mark's voice. And Peabo seems to have the same thing. Yet at the same both have really good diction which isn't important until you try to sing along with the vocalist and realize you can't figure out what the hell they're saying. Then there's the Rolling Stone critic who compared Mark's voice to Stevie Wonder. And I think, in certain keys, he's right because Mark has this nasal thing (not a bad thing) when he goes up into a certain key that DOES make me think of Stevie. Sounds great!! By the way, in response to Clare--yeah, I used to think Mike could only sing in a really high key (Stupid huh? I admit it!) But when I saw a video clip (on the Forever Now site I think it was) of him singing Something About You alone ---Oh! He was wonderful!! I mean not just his tone but his phrasing (I'm not a music expert I'm just ignorantly slinging these terms) just wonderful!! None of Mike's solo work clicked with me until Two Solitudes on Running in the Family and by Silence (Staring at the Sun) I was a fan. To all the creative writers out there: there is nothing better than trying to write to the Changes album. I know. I've done it. It helps you come up with the most otherworldly imagery. Thanks Mike! Anybody else using L42 music to create? Anybody else got any comments on Mark/Peabo/Stevie? Terri H. (P.S. Oh yes, Brian McKnight's version of I Can't Go for That is cool but listen to One Last Cry--to die for ------------------------------ Subject: More bass knowledge From: Bill Montgomery Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:33:30 -0600 For those who enjoy the Fender, but would also be intrested in active electronics, the finest bass I've ever played that can satisfy both needs is undoubtedly the Fodera. It's custom made in 4 & 5 string versions, and next to the series1 Alembics of the early 1970's is the finest sounding instrument I've ever owned. I convinced that if MK were ever exposed to these instruments, it would be the start of a long and fruitful relationship. The only problems are: It is a two man factory that produces one bass at a time, and the wait is generally around 8-12 months; and the price is in the 2-3K range. I'm gathering nuts for a 6 string fretless at this writing. On another note, I absolutely agree with the vocal assesments of Good Man In A Storm that have been expressed as of late. However, I especially think that ML & MK do some stellar vocal work on Love In A Peaceful World. Many of the folks on the digest don't seem to enjoy Forever Now, but I've really grown to appreciate this wonderful musical offering. Regards From the Middle of America, Bill M. ------------------------------ Subject: I'm gonna be the first From: Tom Brown Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:00:16 +0000 Well guys, I hope that someone is proud of themselves. Probably the greatest L42 fan that I know and it seems that somebody can't stand to see her doing so well. Lisa, please don't let this get to you too much. For every person that feels the need to have a go, you've got a hundred true friends who support you. That's all -T