From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V99 #184 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 99 : Issue 184 1105 subscribers Today's topics: Mark King Demo CD !!! morgan42 Re: Level42 Digest V99 #182 Helen McLelland Re: Covers Julian Morey Prejudices against hardrock (OFFTOPIC) LINDSKOG JENNY Re: Tears For Fears, Metallica Charl Mocke Live at Wembley Video David Moore MK Demo CD??????? Mark Walsham Travelin' Miles Gaetan Duperron Ever the Pessimist? J Shuford Top 10 Digest vote Brian Fogsgaard Britney Spears Tix in CT for July 4th The Saint Nibe ... great, but WET Michael Svarre Hansen Which one of these is not like the others? Steven_Libenson Shallow Grave Nightfly83 Metallica and Wholesome in the same sentence Brian was it a joke?? Nick Brazier JD Bass Carl Lundgren ------------------------------ Subject: Mark King Demo CD !!! From: "morgan42" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:32:44 +0200 Hi all, GOOD NEWS !!! I have received a message from Mark himself today. So the message in the Guestbook was real. Mark wrote : The demo's CD is a collection of previously unheard songs by yours truly. All instruments have been played by me and all the songs or ideas, although never finished, seemed like good ideas at the time !, so for any of you out there who are interested, send a cheque for £17.50, made out to Mark King, to: Joe Daflos, 24 Union St. Ryde. Isle of Wight. PO33 2DT., and I shall send you a hand made copy of my new CD, called TRASH !!!!! Please allow 28 days for delivery, and don't keep calling the bar, because the girls are busy filing their nails ! * CUT HERE * OK Morgan on the keyboard. TRASH ??? hmm funny name isn't it ?? Well have a nice day my friends ! Morgan. http://www.level42.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V99 #182 From: Helen McLelland Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:53:34 +0100 Lolita You mentioned a guy called Mark Downie as one of the contributers to the tribute CD. Is this the same Mark Downie who had a relatively unknown band called Distraktion in the 80's ? Cheers Helen ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Covers From: Julian Morey Organization: Club 21 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:31:17 +0100 I think I would of purchased the One Man CD if it wasn't for the mediocre cover artwork! I'm sure this comment will fuel an enormous amount of debate and some sharp comments towards me but this is just my opinion. Generally all the Level 42 sleeves had generally good covers (forgetting "Starring at the Sun") even some by famous UK designers! I also wish the CD didn't say Level 42's: Mark King; Mark you can stand on your own two feet. OK so that's my groan, what's the music like? Regards Julian ps. perhaps we could have a vote for best Level 42 sleeve/top ten etc. ------------------------------ Subject: Prejudices against hardrock (OFFTOPIC) From: "LINDSKOG JENNY" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:20:20 +0200 >Subject: Metallica and Wholesome in the same sentence >From: JohnRGab @ aol.com >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:59:07 EDT snip... >All I can tell you is looking >at the kids who are fans, I don't see them as a church going lot getting a >positive, wholesome message from the music. Hence I group it into the Satan >category, although they may not be actual members of the Church of Satan. It >walks somewhere between symptom and cause. Just a short comment, I couldn't really let it pass. I like Metallica. I don't worship Satan, cause I don't believe in his existence. In fact, I don't believe in Jesus either! That's a thing that Satanists and Christians have in common: They believe in an evil entity and a good entity that have some kind of power over the universe and over people. I believe in people having the power to decide what is good and bad and that's morals and ethics, not necessarily religion. However, I admit that many teenagers who like hard rock seem to have a tendency to rebell against christian society. My reflection is that you can never tell what a person is like before you get to know him/her and you should never judge a person for her/his taste in music or clothing. Just my honest opinion, Jenny ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Tears For Fears, Metallica From: "Charl Mocke" Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 13:06:31 +0200 NON-LEVEL CONTENT... Hi everyone... ... Can someone please tell me (us?) a little bit more about Tears For Fears... what's their story? When did they start? Is Micheal Hughes still writing songs? I heard they have a new album out, "Raoul And The Kings Of Spain". I only know "Everybody Wants to Rule The World" and "Shout". Is the rest of their songs any good? I also know how they got their name, BTW. It's a reference to some type of intense psychological therapy he/they went through as kids, where you are urged to shout out your pains (from there the name of the song "Shout") and cry out loud to get rid of the tension and fears of life and all your troubles... ... or something like that, in any case. Thanks in advance! Re: Metallica I totally agree with John on his opinions about Metallica and school teenagers. Exactly the same here. Though they might be a Christian-like band, this is NOT reflected in their fans - especially their teenage fans who, over here, quite often, let's say needs radical improvement in their lives. Starchild 1234 12 Mr. Charl Mocke ISIS Information Systems (Pty. Ltd.) Telkom UNIBase Cape Town South Africa [GMT +0200] E-mail: MockeC @ Telkom.co.za Office Tel.: (+27) 021 4144720 Cellphone: 083 2857506 (MTN SA) Cellphone SMS: 0832857506 @ sms.co.za ------------------------------ Subject: Live at Wembley Video From: David Moore Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 06:49:05 PDT Greetings from Seattle, I have a couple of questions for all you Level 42 historians out there. I was watching the Live at Wembley video the other night while I was working. I always stop and stare in amazement at Mark's solo that leads into Love Games. Right at the part where he gets going someone throws what looks like a cigarette at him (I always thought that was very bad form). My questions are: were any digesters at that particular show? Where you close enough to see who did it? And was that a rare occurrence during their live shows or were there always those types of idiots around trying to make Mark mess up (or any of the band for that matter)? On the video he just smiles and throws it back into the audience at the end of his solo. I know they were being filmed so I'm sure he didn't want one jerk messing up an otherwise great show. Anyway, that's all I have for today. Thanks for reading. Dave "Give me the West Coast" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Subject: MK Demo CD??????? From: Mark Walsham Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 15:35:35 GMT Can anyone verify this before we all send in the dosh????? Rgds, Mark. >Subject: MARK KING NEWS !!! >From: "morgan42" >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:28:08 +0200 >Hi all, >Today Mark King posted a message into my guestbook at level42.com. >(This >message is not yet confirmed) >* CUT HERE * >Hi Morgan. I've put together a C.D. of demo songs. If anyone would >like >one, >please send £17.50 to Joe Daflos, 24 Union St. Ryde. Isle of Wight. >PO33 >2DT, >and I shall run one off for you ! >* CUT HERE *> >Speak soon. >Morgan. >http://www.level42.com> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Travelin' Miles From: Gaetan Duperron Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 08:48:41 PDT Wow! Summer's officially begun in Montreal. Last night, at the opening gala of the 20th ed'n of our Jazz Festival, Cassandra Wilson Ran the Voodoo Down with her Miles Davis tribute show along with Dave Holland, Olu Dara, Stephon Harris, Regina Carter and other friends. This agains confirms that one should never pass on free tickets, 'cause you never know when you might have an unforgettable musical experience, such as I did last night. What a voice! What a presence! What a fabulous band! I've already had to pass on the Buddy Guy/Jimmy Vaughan show, McCoy Tyner and Joe Lovano, and I'm staying away from the reviews for them, from fear that I may have to kill myself should they have been that good. Oh well... I'll try to console myself with Charlie Hunter & Leon Parker, Mike Stern and Jimmy Smith. Heat and humidity notwithstanding, this is a bloody brilliant place to live!!! "When it comes to music, I run the voodoo down!" GD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Ever the Pessimist? From: J Shuford Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:21:07 -0700 (PDT) MicroKids: While I too am excited about the possibility of a L42 reunion and it is certainly a possibility within the next year, I don't think we should get our hopes up just yet. Admittedly, many of you will know more about this possibility than I do, but it seems significant to me that NOBODY from Level 42 has confirmed that this is happening. Presumably the reason why Mark, Mike or others haven't said anything about it is because there is NO COMMITMENT to do it. While Mark and Mike haven't ruled out the possibility of working together in the future or reforming as Level 42, the mere fact that Crockford is PROMOTING a speculative future event doesn't make this a Fait Accompli. As we've seen before, Mark and Paul can have very different ideas about things, and that doesn't even begin to address Mike, Phil, Boon or whomever would comprise "Level 42" at this gig. I don't mean to be a total party-pooper here. I really hope it happens. But until Mark and Mike (and whomever else) commit to it, at this point it would seem to me this is only Crockford's Dream (of Endless Time). This is not to be lamented, as this is exactly what Crockford's job is -- to promote, stir up interest and sell speculative things. shuf PS: Mikey Payne -- please e-mail me. You still owe me some recorded material!!!! ------------------------------ Subject: Top 10 Digest vote From: "Brian Fogsgaard" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:03:52 +0200 I`d like to know if there`s ever been made a Digest vote about L42 songs that all of us Digesters likes ? If someone could collect the top 5 and make it into a Digester TOP 10 ??? What an idea !!! I would also like to get a copy of the L42 Tribute cd. How can I get it ?? and.....MK played at the NIBE FESTIVAL DK the 24. june.....i just have to say....DO NEVER GO ON HOLIDAY IN DENMARK IN MAY OR JUNE.....R A I N R A I N R A I N.......AUGUST IS MUCH BETTER..... ------------------------------ Subject: Britney Spears Tix in CT for July 4th From: The Saint Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 16:11:01 -0400 Yes, I know she couldn't be the furthest thing from Level 42, but many of you have young children or know some who may want to go........ I have 4 tickets for the Yasgur's Farm show for July 4th in Bethel NY at 7:30. They are sold out and I was given these left over tickets today (friday) at my radio station. I'm in the Hartford CT area and they would need to be picked up by saturday...... How much????? Make me an offer via e-mail and you'll most likely get them..... pfucito @ snet.net For another L42 digester, I'm not out to rob anyone..... Just thought I'd mention it.. paul F ------------------------------ Subject: Nibe ... great, but WET From: "Michael Svarre Hansen" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:33:17 +0200 Hello everybody... Nibe in Denmark was 2nd time this year I saw MK at stage. But Nibe was different. My wife and I placed our 2 lovely girls at their grandparents. This was the 1th time in 4 years we went to a concert together.... It started out so great with Hot Water (in contrast with the cold water from heaven). Now Love Games is my alltime favorite Level song ..... but unfortunately my wife "attached" by some White Rum with coke (cola). Her first drinks in 4 years (because of her being pregnant). So from this time I had to keep an eye on her. So in Nibe I heard the last three song standing in the rain outside the toilet while "somebody called into the big white one". Next time (Skanderborg) will be different - She who must be obeyed will stay at home By the way ... for danes ...: Also Lars Lilholt was very great Hilsen Michael Svarre Hansen - A levelfan since Love Games in '81 I spend 4 days in bed because of the rain ... but It doesn't matter Mark Was There .... :-))) ------------------------------ Subject: Which one of these is not like the others? From: Steven_Libenson @ monitor.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:43:19 -0400 I was on Amazon.com and I decided to see what they had for Level 42. When I clicked on True Colours, the following message popped up... Customers who bought titles by Level 42 also bought titles by these artists: ABC Human League Pet Shop Boys R.E.M. Cher While I would not be one of them, are there closet Cher fans on the digest? Or is this just proof that database techology needs to make a few more leaps before it can predict our likes and dislikes? ------------------------------ Subject: Shallow Grave From: Nightfly83 @ aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:39:11 EDT > Subject: The Style Council > From: Dan Nesselroth > > They are jazzy and light in terms of music, communist in terms of politics. Communist? Communist?! That would be that old chestnut of mistaking socialism for communism then. > This usually happens to pinkos who hit 50. You're not by any chance American? Still looking for TSC's finest hour Our Favourite Shop on CD, if anyone knows where I can pick it up cheap (alternatively Chairman Mao's Little Red Book would do as a substitute). And Songs To Remember, Scritti Politti's debut ALBUM (you knew full well that's what I meant Finnegan - I don't know, people lecturing me - ME! - about Scritti Politti. Someone will come on here teaching me how to be sarcastic next.) > Subject: to nightfly > From: exhobie @ webtv.net (greg white) > > What's so bad about "selective nostalgia" regarding 80's music? What's bad about it is that it blinds us to the merits of what is around us today. It's human nature to remember with fondness the music that shaped our musical outlook - I speak as someone who still rates Pelican West in his Top 20 albums - but if we allow that sentiment to transmute into objective judgement then we run the risk of missing out on so much that's around today. I don't want to be one of those people who, when I was 14, were saying "There's nothing around today to match the sixties". That's why I don't listen to these hideous "classic" or "gold" radio stations which are proliferating, all that does is reinforce prejudices which we should be trying to resist. The broadcaster John Peel, now I believe over 60 but still at the cutting edge of modern music, shares with me a propensity for footballing analogies. When asked how he can still listen to this awful racket at his age, he says "I'm more interested in what my team is doing now than what it did 20 years ago", and that's how I feel. Even if the team now is a shadow of what it was, I still care more about what little of pleasure I can find than watching videos of past glories. > At least there is much to select--what about today's music? > Except for Jamiroquai,the late 90's has nothng to select. BNH, Radiohead, Manic Street Preachers, Ben Folds Five, Travis, Blur, that's off the top of my head without even thinking hard. > Let's see what we have today: > Backstreet Boys(for 12-year old girls) Come on, every pop era in history has been dominated in terms of popularity by music aimed at young girls. > Rap(this is music??) Er, yes. I sincerely hope you are a parent, this mastery of the "You call that music? It's just noise, that's what it is" school of music criticism should not go to waste. > ANY female singer today is hopeless Damn, if I'd read this in the first place I wouldn't have had to bother with all that well-reasoned stuff above. > Subject: LEVEL 42 REUNITES IN 2000? > From: Mike Payne > > This show is going to be an 80's Revue type of show bringing many of the > "one-hit" wonders back on stage for a televised (BBC?) event. [Exit Nightfly83 screaming.] AG ------------------------------ Subject: Metallica and Wholesome in the same sentence From: Brian Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 20:20:19 -0500 > > From: JohnRGab @ aol.com > > Brian- Back when I was a teenager my school had a group of angry young men > the rest of us called head-bangers. They were a violent, dirty, foul-mouthed > lot who liked to hang out and make trouble before, during and after school. > Lots of drugs, fights and Fs on the report card. Many of them didn't have > great homelifes. A lot of them failed at the game of life. Their groups of > choice were AC/DC, Judas Priest, Ozzy Ozborne, Van Halen, Queenscryche, Kiss, > Ted Nugent etc. and Metallica. Anything loud and evil sounding. Metallica > may have tried passing themselves off as a wholesome Christian band, same as > the "reformed" Mr Ozborne, that I don't know. All I can tell you is looking > at the kids who are fans, I don't see them as a church going lot getting a > positive, wholesome message from the music. Hence I group it into the Satan > category, although they may not be actual members of the Church of Satan. It > walks somewhere between symptom and cause. Yeah, those were some good bands! I loved Van Halen and Queensryche. Saw them both live a few times. Also somewhat liked Ozzy, Metallica, and listened to Kiss when I was about 7-8 years old, as did many people I knew. I never got in fights, did drugs or got F's. Got a BS degree w/ a 3.5 GPA even! And go to church almost every week. Really though, your talking about the people that listen to them, not the bands themselves. I think someone on here mentioned recently that they liked NIN, though they didn't like the fans of NIN. Same deal I guess. I never said anything about any of them being 'Christian Bands'. All I said (meant) was Metallica beleived in God's way, though they may not try to spread the word of God per say. Considering that, you may be one of the few on this list that actually spreads the word of God (if you do) as we are really supposed to. So does that make Level 42 Satanic? Brian ------------------------------ Subject: was it a joke?? From: Nick Brazier Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 04:34:15 -0400 Hiya all, was that Mark King post yesterday a joke? - I bloody hope not!! Even as a now unemployed git I will find the money! Take care y'all "Resupply me with myself" Jonathan ------------------------------ Subject: JD Bass From: Carl Lundgren Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 02:53:00 PDT If anyone is interested (and in Australia), I've seen a JD bass much like the one Mark used for most of the 80's albums and shows, at Fretted Instruments, Brunswick Street, Fitzroy, Victoria. I would have bought it except I'm left handed! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com