From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V99 #115 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 99 : Issue 115 1075 subscribers Today's topics: "Lessons in Love" at the movies PFCPaull We three Kings of Orient are... BHConrad Mark's bass tunings David Kidd RE: Level42 Digest V99 #114 Clare Reeves Re: Detuning Adman Maliawan Me'Shell Ndegeocello Adman Maliawan Re: low notes, slapping, easy bass cpw20 There getting back!!! They must BE! RIZVAN MALIK RE: Level42 Digest V99 #114 Matthew Areford LEVEL 42 IN OZ!!!!! powerfm MK Bilal42 Mike Lindup gig Christien De Roo ------------------------------ Subject: "Lessons in Love" at the movies From: PFCPaull @ aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 06:59:19 EDT I have heard many people mention hearing this song at the end of a movie but have never been able to figure out what movie it might have been ... until the post yesterday mentioning the final scene. It may have been a movie called "Hot Pursuit" pop into my head. It starred John Cusack as a young man combing an Island in the Caribbean looking for his girlfriend. If anyone knows for sure if this was the movie or can contradict me and knows the correct movie please do so. Jim ------------------------------ Subject: We three Kings of Orient are... From: BHConrad @ aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:22:01 EDT In a message dated 4/24/99, Dave wrote: < Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:11:25 +0100 Tom Hjellemo wrote : >MK often tunes his bass down to low D, as on "Kansas City Milkman, "The >Chant has begun". He also use the 5-string on SAY and "If You Were Mine". On >"World Machine", I think he use an octave pedal, which is a very cool effect >often used by Pino Palladino. Adding to that, the World Machine bassline was played live with the 'Low E' tuned down to C (well flappy !!). Sounds the best on quality basses, usually with thin gauge strings. That's about as low as you can effectively get on a 4 string tuned to A440. You can go further, but what you hear sounds like a bad case of the runs ! To the chap who asked about the 'Something About You' bassline, the bass is tuned as normal, but what gives the impression of some of the notes sounding lower than 'low E' is the bass synth chugging away underneath Mark's playing. B.T.W...... ENVELOPE FILTERS - Do any bassists (especially UK based ones !!) know if BOSS still make the FT-2 Dynamic Filter pedal as I wanna get my hands on one to compare it with the Electro Harmonix Q-Tron pedal? If so, where from and for how much........ Cheers D. ===================================================================== Dave Kidd - Ilford, Essex, England. 'We're a virus with shoes, OK...that's all we are.' Bill Hicks 1961-1994 ===================================================================== ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Level42 Digest V99 #114 From: Clare Reeves Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:26:50 +0100 Hi Folks.. Great to hear that so many people are into Joe Jackson too! My personal fave is "Breaking us in two".. I've shed a few, sob!, tears to that one in the past! Does anyone else have songs that have felt very poigniant and made them cry? Or am I just being a big girly girl?! MKs Jazz Cafe gigs.. I think Lisa H and I will be at the first one and the last one. Hopefully this time we'll be able to stand with other Digesters - we didn't know you until the end of the Shepherds Bush gig. Got to go now xx Clare Clare Reeves Studio Manager, Africa and Middle East Region BBC World Service Tel: 0171 5572482 Email: Clare.Reeves @ BBC.co.uk ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Detuning From: Adman Maliawan Organization: KUIC.24. Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:15:23 +0000 Subject: Detuning From: "Tom Hjellemo" Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:40:57 +0200 Basstalk for you... >> Does MK tune his bass lower, or use a 5 string, or neither of the above? > >He detunes the E-string to 'B' I believe. Or is it 'C'? MK often tunes his bass down to low D, as on "Kansas City Milkman, "The Chant has begun". He also use the 5-string on SAY and "If You Were Mine". On "World Machine", I think he use an octave pedal, which is a very cool effect often used by Pino Palladino. peace Tom Another opinion..... When I saw Live at Wembley, I think Mark tunes his 'E' string into 'C#'. I figure it out by watching the position of his left fingers on his bass guitar. Before he sings, he walk to his amps. I think he is checking out the tune of his 'C#' string. See Ya Awan ------------------------------ Subject: Me'Shell Ndegeocello From: Adman Maliawan Organization: KUIC.24. Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:25:04 +0000 Just for the information... In the Bass Player Magazine (April 1995), Me'Shell said, "I always liked Mark King of Level 42; that's good solid bass playing." Wow, she is a true Mark King fans!. Watch the way she hold her bass on John Mellencamp clip "Wild Night", just like Mark does, way up to her chest. See Ya, Awan ------------------------------ Subject: Re: low notes, slapping, easy bass From: cpw20 @ cam.ac.uk Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:02:44 +0100 >>> Does MK tune his bass lower, or use a 5 string, or neither of the above? >> >>He detunes the E-string to 'B' I believe. Or is it 'C'? > >MK often tunes his bass down to low D, as on "Kansas City Milkman, "The >Chant has begun". He also use the 5-string on SAY and "If You Were Mine". I'd always assumed that synth bass covered the notes below E on SAY. Didn't Mark stick with a 4-string bass until comparatively recently? Could someone who knows these sort of things tell us when he began using the 5- and 6-string models? Since I'm posting, I'll add my thoughts to the slapping discussion. I concur with the general view that it IS a more difficult technique to learn. There is a knack to it which you don't get with finger-style playing: you have to hit the string hard enough so that it bounces off the frets (this is what makes the distinctive sound) but must leave the thumb loose so that it doesn't stay in contact with the string. When you're starting it's also a big problem making sure you hit the right string, and either avoid all the others or mute them somehow (I mute the lower strings with the side of my slapping hand). If the above seems rather complicated I apologise! With reference to easier L42 bass parts for those just starting out, try RITF without the manic mute triplets (you can add those in when you've practised them a bit!), the main part of Turn It On is straightforward enough, Out of Sight, Out of Mind, Heaven in my Hands are both fairly simple. Cheers, Chris. PS. Thanks to those who've provided the tour dates! ------------------------------ Subject: There getting back!!! They must BE! From: "RIZVAN MALIK" Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:35:23 PDT HEy everyone! Just a uncanny note here. I got 42 out of 50 in one of my modules. NO NO NO.it can't be a coincidence...it is a sign that Level 42 are getting back together. Not convinced????? To get a first class for my first yr at university all i need is 15%,8%,6% and 13%.......all adding to 42! Not convinced??? Well, I hoped.....I dreamed.....but it is just not meant to be? :( Take care folks Bye! Rizvan M. (and you lot thought i was gonna say something constructive!) hhehehehehehehehehe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Level42 Digest V99 #114 From: "Matthew Areford" Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:46:06 -0500 The movie that features LIL over the end credits is "Hot Pursuit" starring John Cusack. As far as I know (and I have asked the digest before), this is the only movie to feature L42 music. I do not know if there was a soundtrack album or if the song was included on it. Matt Chicago, IL (soon Jacksonville, FL) USA ------------------------------ Subject: LEVEL 42 IN OZ!!!!! From: powerfm @ ren.netconnect.com.au Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:56:41 +1000 Here's a shock for ya!! Something that hasn't happened to me in a looooong time! My band played a particular L42 tune at a 21st party the other nite and everybody loved it!!! Cool! I think I might take this up full-time again! >He detunes the E-string to 'B' I believe. Or is it 'C'? Tune an 'E' to a 'B'....oooh, floppy! Dominic >Miller played guitar on "Changes" and on "Guaranteed." I don't exactly >know how to describe her sound. "Her" sound???? You mean all this time I thought Dominic was a fella I was mistaken?? Feel free to enlighten me.... >>Don't mean to "dis" (dismiss, American teenage slang), you digesters >>and so called bass players out there, but you are sorely lacking in bass >>playing history, particularly when it comes to the slap-pop-thump style. For God's sake digesters, don't get upset by this statement....he's either 'bogarting' or taking the piss....who really cares?? It doesn't make any difference to L42's music nor make slapping less fun....IN FACT MATE, ANYTIME YOU WANNA SHOWDOWN, YER ON!!!!! As long as we can still be friends afterward... By the way, why does no one ever comment on 'Influences' or make reference to the Mahavishnu Orchestra here??? Seeing as we all focus on Mahavishnu Mark King (!!!!!) so much, wouldn't some healthy discussion on 'the source', as it were, be fun?? Or have I missed the point.... One more point...does anyone use a mute when they tap??? I'll explain this principle if anyone responds..... Later.... Spaldo ------------------------------ Subject: MK From: Bilal42 @ aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:19:00 EDT Hi Y'all! trivia: years ago I remember seeing a Pet s/boys vid; a London bus goes by, and well, the bus number was...42! Its all over the place I tell ya! Another interesting incident, here in North Carolina I was introduced to an ex-pat in a bar, before long the subject came to music...turns out he is a big Mark King fan and asked 'I wonder where he is now?'. Of course I filled him in and he was amazed. He is also a big JD bass fan, so I pointed him towards David Jacob's page. What a small world! I still havnt got tix but I hope to see you at the gigs. I spoke to Carl tonight, the memories of the tour are still so clear - and we get to do it over again! I'm hoping that a live tape/video is made on this tour, it would be a missed opportunity otherwise. Bilal God bless Hershey bars ------------------------------ Subject: Mike Lindup gig From: "Christien De Roo" Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:56:42 -0700 Hi folks, I asked Gavin Robertson to tape one of the 2 gig's for me to give people who can't go to the gig the chance to hear it. This is his reply: Mike and I are currently discussing a possible recording so I would ask you not to bring your tape recorder on this occasion! Greatings Christien Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com