From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V99 #113 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 99 : Issue 113 1074 subscribers Today's topics: Videos Rob Marshall Paradiddle or twiddley-doo-dah? Steve Robson SV: Level42 Digest V99 #110 LINDSKOG JENNY lyrics page;Soraya David Moore Technobable and other musings Daniel James All the records rock. LYDIA HAYES Get Mark to the North Sea Jazz festival ! Andre Huijts 58/you guys forgot about... D. M. Lockhart Mrs Pink's web site. ElSavannah Pornography ERICWHE01 Groceries and L42 Allwyn & Laura Kelly ripping, cds, newsgroups Brian Duran's Taylor (the bassist, not the drummer or>> Dan Nesselroth Stuff Nigel Collier ------------------------------ Subject: Videos From: Rob Marshall Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:19:24 +0100 Don't know what interest this might be to the digest, but I was watching a video I had made ages ago of L42 on various TV appearances. Cos I know copying vids is illegal isn't it? First off was a "Sight & Sound In Concert" from the Regal Theatre in Hitchin (1983) Tracks played: Heathrow Turn It On Love Meeting Love Eyes Waterfalling (I love the way Mark introduces this one!) The Pursuit Of Accidents Chinese Way Love games Then "Whistle Test On The Road" from The Ace in Brixton (1983) tracks: Dance On Heavy Weather Starchild Micro Kid I Want Eyes 43 The Sun Goes Down Are You Hearing What I hear Then a Channel 4 prog called "Play at Home" Mark, Mike, Boon & Phil on the Isle of Wight talking about music and demonstrating some techniques. Tracks: Hawaii Five O ) Tie A Yellow Ribbon ) I kid you not!!! Chinese Way The Sun Goes Down (Livin It Up) Micro Kid 88 Are You Hearing What I Hear and finally two appearances on "The Tube" tracks The Chant Has Begun Hot Water Something About You A Physical Presence and Top of the Pops Something About You I think I've got the S&S in Concert on Audio Cassette too. Just thought I'd share that with you - well I hade to tell someone!!! LOL Rob Marshall What A Load Of Cobblers The Premier Fanzine in Division Two ------------------------------ Subject: Paradiddle or twiddley-doo-dah? From: Steve Robson Organization: Cadence Design Systems Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:30:39 +0100 > Subject: SAY bass > From: croehm @ mindspring.com > > Does MK tune his bass lower, or use a 5 string, or neither of the above? He detunes the E-string to 'B' I believe. Or is it 'C'? > if anyone would like to give me any cyber-pointers on my new hobby, I'd > welcome the responses! Check this place out... http://www.pnc.com.au/~beehive/libster.html > Subject: Level 58? > From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.on.ca > > He says "No, I know that already, it's...the answer is 58!" Maybe he's from a parallel universe? He's read the version of the book that features characters such as "Lord Defect" and "HotRod BurbleBrook". "The Restaurant that's quite a way out of town but there's a bus every hour or so", that kind of thing. See if you can get his angle on "Hamlet". > From: Tom Brown > Phew, now that AG is no more, no need to run the spall chicker ! Au contraire! Sloppiness and bad grammar is something up with which I will not put. Offenders will be assimilated. Purge and purify. Steve ------------------------------ Subject: SV: Level42 Digest V99 #110 From: "LINDSKOG JENNY" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:30:24 +0200 >Subject: RE: more FN talk >From: Annie Lysebjerg >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:30:34 +0200 > >I'd like to get back to that little remark about L42 not being a sound for >youngsters!! >I don't know if it's me or not, but when I started listening to L42 I was 12 >years old! No, Annie, you're not the only one! I was 14 when I first heard L42 and I've liked them ever since. All my classmates at the time, they just liked the stuff that was popular. It wasn't until I was 22, when I dated a guy who liked L42, that i first met someone who liked the same kind of music that I did. I don't think it has anything to do with age, it just a question of musical taste. And for that matter, if I haven't said it before, I'll say it now (there's no escape!): I can't say that I like the old better than the new or the other way around. I like all L42 records. I've always liked their way of mixing different styles. I and must say this: I don't play bass, but for some strange reason I find it really entertaining to read about "slapping" and tecniques. Your discussions really made me jealous. So, I think I'll take a bass course as soon as I can afford it! Enough said about nothing! ------------------------------ Subject: lyrics page;Soraya From: "David Moore" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:32:17 PDT Hello, Just checked out the level42.com site. It looks great. Kudos to those who maintain and update it. I have a querey regarding its lyrics page; when it's up and running, would it be possible to have posted the lyrics to the non-album tracks (i.e. Freedom, Can't Walk You Home, Three Words, etc)? On to another topic: Has anyone heard of Soraya? I think she is a very talented musician, excellent lyricist, and also she's very easy on the eyes (a shallow comment I know, but always an extra bonus in my book). Anyway the Level 42 connection: on her album "Wall Of Smiles" (and its Spanish companion, "Torre de Marfil"), Dominic Miller plays guitar on several tracks, and Pino Palladino plays bass on some of the tracks. Pino Palladino played bass on Mike Lindup's "Changes" album. Dominic Miller played guitar on "Changes" and on "Guaranteed." I don't exactly know how to describe her sound. It definitely has a latin flavor on some of the tracks, also a couple of the songs have great basslines and guitar riffs. She colaborated a bit with Carole King on these albums and I think King's influence comes through. I welcome others' comments on this subject. :o) Dave Moore "Give me the West Coast" ------------------------------ Subject: Technobable and other musings From: Daniel James Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:45:14 -0700 (PDT) *** Warning, techno-babble, non-Level 42 related pithy-stuff below *** > I use a Richo MP6200S SCSI cd-writer, and I can recommend fully that > you get a SCSI based unit. The reason you want to go for a SCSI unit > is simple, the data transfer rate from a SCSI unit is much higher > than IDE. One particular problem that can be encountered with I can vouch for this advice as well. Additionally, SCSI is more reliable and will also work with your non-Microsoft based hardware as well :) > Finally, if you want to do a CD to CD copy, then I suggest that you > also get a SCSI CD-ROM drive, along with your SCSI CD Writer. I have > tried copying from CD to CD (most software packages allow this), but > the IDE drive just cant supply the data quick enough to the SCSI > drive, and therefore buffer underrun occurs. Actually, I'd suggest that this is not the fault of the IDE drive, card or other peripheral, it's probably more a fault that Windows 9x cannot multi-task very well. Remember your IDE CD-Rom drive should be pumping out bits much faster than your CD-R drive is burning them. The problem is that Windows 9x is trying to read the bits from one device and then pass them to the other, hence the reason it works better to have both devices on one interface card--in that case, the OS is simply telling your card to do the work itself. If buying a SCSI-based CD-Rom drive isn't an option, then I'd suggest upgrading to Windows NT or Linux or BeOS or some other operating system that can handle doing more than one thing at a time. Also be sure that you've got a good-quality SCSI interface card. The cheap ones will give you nothing but big headaches. Finally, IMHO, Gear stinks for doing music. You have little to no control over what you're putting on the disc, and it seems to always always always put a 3-second space between your tracks--I tried tweaking every setting in the .ini file with no luck. *** > I would like to know is if anyone has information on obtaining any of > Mark's solo albums, A Physical Presence I and II, and any of their > live videos. (Sacramento CA is so backward that the U.S. Version of > World Machine is considered and import here. Thanks for the help. Well I discovered Level 42 when living in Sacramento (Davis actually) and didn't have so much trouble locating stuff. I picked up my copies of Live at Wembley, Fait Accompli, and Family of Five as well as Physical Presence vols I & II at the Tower on Watt Avenue. The Level Best video came from Tower on Broadway. Most of the import stuff came from The Beat on H Street (which has since relocated somewhere midtown). If your luck doesn't hold out there, you can get most things online somewhere. I'd start at http://www.gemm.com/ as well as http://www.cdnow.com and http://www.cdeurope.com/ Good luck mate! > Don't you just love this 80's revival Yes, except for the fact that the whole 80's revival tour (Human League, Howard Jones, Culture Club) decided to pass on the entire west coast of the states! Speaking of ABC, thanks to ebay, I'm now the proud owner of the Mantrap LD! ------------------------------ Subject: All the records rock. From: "LYDIA HAYES" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:59:02 PDT Hello Digesters! I like everything from World Machine to Guaranteed. I have yet to hear anything from L42 that I haven't liked. Whatever is going on in my life, I know there is a song I can relate to from L42. A groove that soothes. I am extremely disappointed in the joke made about purifying the Digest. How old are you? I know some people start listening to L42 at 12 or 13 years of age. Diversity is our strength, or what would we talk about? Please understand how inappropriate your comment is in light of recent world events. If you would like to know what it is like to be cleansed, there are refugees from Kosovo who would tell you what it's like to leave their home and walk for so long their feet are bloody and bruised. And there is a man with a machete in Rwanda who will show you all you need to know about purification, as he has already shown some British and Australian tourtists in Uganda. Let us not forget the kids in Denver, who know firsthand the horror of being targeted and slain by peers that could not tolerate their differences. The Digest is a free forum, this is true. But no one demands that anyone else has to like Guaranteed, SATS, Running, or the Early Tapes. And no one else should demand other readers conform to their own personal tastes. I enjoy reading everyone's thoughts and opinions, and I will continue to read the Digest. Level Lydia {The chosen fools that make the rules / that don't apply to me. With their fast conclaves and counterclaims /not my reality.} -World Machine ------------------------------ Subject: Get Mark to the North Sea Jazz festival ! From: "Andre Huijts" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:22:39 +0200 Well, wouldn't it be a great idea to get Mark (or maybe even Mike) to perform at the coming North Sea Jazz festival in the Netherlands ??? This festival has had much "funky" artists in the past like Maceo Parker, EWF, Bootsy Collins and our very own Candy Dulfer. Mark would fit in very nicely wouldn't he ? Wel I bet if _ALL_ digesters go to: http://www.netcetera.nl/northsea/99/home-e.html (or http://www.netcetera.nl/northsea/99/home.html if you are Dutch speaking) and hit the questionaire link, and indicate who you would like to see at the 1999 North Sea Jazz festival, they can't ignore that can they ? I have entered "Level 42's Mark King" and "Level 42's Mike Lindup" at 2. OK, Mark would have to take some time off the recording of the new album, but it would be worth it ! No matter where you are one this globe, go vote ! Groetjes, Andre ------------------------------ Subject: 58/you guys forgot about... From: "D. M. Lockhart" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:18:59 GMT I seem to remember seeing Level 58 at Milliways... And while this "slappers" thread is going on, um...was anybody gonna mention Me'Shell Ndegeocello? She's a bad ass. And sings. And rhymes. And can manage a band. You know who else is a bad ass, and I wonder where they are now? Chuckii Booker. I know, I know, "get that R&B crap out of this high-brow establishment", but I saw Chuck as Janet Jackson's musical director for the Rhythm Nation tour. Then I bought his CDs. His voice was terrible, but he had a great sense of humour and control with his bass... Anybody know what he's up to these days, let ME know. ******************************************* "Heather told me she teaches people real life. She said real life sucks losers dry. If you want to f*** with the eagles, you have to learn to fly. I said, 'so, you teach people how to spread their wings and fly?' She said 'Yes'. I said 'You're beautiful'". - Veronica Sawyer (Winona Rider), "Heathers", 1988. ------------------------------ Subject: Mrs Pink's web site. From: ElSavannah @ aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:20:09 EDT Hi all. Just a short note to let you all know that I have finally ironed out all of the glitches on my web page and you can now view all of the pics and use all of the links to your hearts content! I hope you enjoy it and if any of you want scans of the pics - let me know. http://members.xoom.com/Mrspink42/MrsPinkspage.html Have a happy time y'all Oh yeah - I too have booked my tickets for all five nights at the Jazz Cafe and will be attending with my finance department! I look forward to seeing you all there. It is a brilliant venue - I saw Nik Kershaw there a while back and you can get closer to the stage than at any other venue I have ever been to before! Just don't buy a drink there as they bloody well rob you blind - All yanks beware!!!!!! (You know who I mean!) See ya later - Mrs Pink PS - carl and winston - you should be getting you packages any day now. I hope you enjoy them! ------------------------------ Subject: Pornography From: ERICWHE01 @ aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:19:47 EDT No wonder AG left the digest, with all this fingering, plucking, and slapping it hard, And then you talk about taping it ! This digest is turning into a chatroom for mucky pups....disgraceful. [Can I have a copy of the tape...please ;-) ] So, did I tell you that I was in B&Q the other day, and to my surprise the music in the background was .....you've guessed it - Spandau Ballet. I then bought a drill bit and went to the counter and the salesgirl said "That'll be £3.99". I then drove home and counted all the traffic lights I passed, and there we're 29. I got in, and the clock said 5.34 pm. I sat down and watched some TV and low and behold here was a power cut, which lasted approximately 2 hours. With the power restored, I got a cd from its case and put it in the cd player....my god, it was Level 42......now wasn't that uncanny !! With all these strumming, plucking and slap techniques, I'd like to add one of the less well known. It's called "ouch, that hurt you b*****d". Its not slapping without a taped thumb.Oh no, It's actually the noise you make when playing air bass in the car and you stub your thumb hard into the steering wheel whilst trying to play slap bass to Mr Pink without missing a note. And for all those Cluedo players out there..... AG was stabbed in the back, with the dagger, by Miss Hypocrite, in the e-mail chatroom ...Did I get it right ? Now don't go peeking at the cards. Eric W "The Stain said hot, but the label said not But Ariel got it clean" ------------------------------ Subject: Groceries and L42 From: "Allwyn & Laura Kelly" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:23:12 -0600 Was in the produce isle and lo and behold " Lessons in Love" playing overhead. What subliminal message are they trying to send out? Food and Love......................hmmmmmmmmmmm Made my day laura ------------------------------ Subject: ripping, cds, newsgroups From: Brian Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:50:37 -0500 Daniel James wrote: > > I've just come across a neat freeware utility for Microsuck Windoze > > 95/98. I've previously been using WinDAC for ripping wav-files from a > > cd. > > Or better yet, download Audiocatalyst from xing's web site and rip your > CDs into mp3 files. That's what I use (for now). Hopefully I'll be > replacing my 10-year old Macintosh this weekend, in which case I'll only > use this windoze thing when my job forces me to. > > Anyone recommend a good CD ripper for the Mac? A lot of people don't like Xing because it cuts off any frequencies above 16Khz. I know that a lot of people can't hear above that, but a lot of people swear that it doesn't sound as good if made w/ Xing. I'm not sure about the Mac, unless Audiograbber will work. I've got v3. V4's out now I think. I like it the best. WinDAC isn't very good from what I hear. Brian [better yet, install Linux on your Wintel OR Mac and use CDparanoia. -Eric] ------------------------------ Subject: Duran's Taylor (the bassist, not the drummer or guitarist) From: "Dan Nesselroth" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:10:57 PDT Interesting that someone brought up John Taylor. I have always liked Duran Duran. Say what you will about the image that they had...they wrote great music with or without MTV. I think the song that really shows what a talent Taylor is has to be RIO. This song has an astounding bassline. Even on paper it looks great...the fingering is smooth and quick and carries the song. And he could play it live. Listen to how it out performs the quick tempo sax solo... This is not to say Taylor could not play slap...give a listen to MY OWN WAY, BALL OF CONFUSION, I WANT TO TAKE YOU HIGHER, GIRLS ON FILM, PLANET EARTH, IS THERE SOMETHING I SHOULD KNOW?, and most notably NEW RELIGION. The original line up of Duran was the best (same with Level 42). All the Taylors were amazing, especially John and Roger. Simon and Nick may be the brains behind Duran as it was and is...but they peaked when they had good musicians playing the songs. My personal list of the Greatest bass players EVER...in order: MARK KING!! John Taylor Bootsy Collins Rick James Paul McCartney Ronald LePread (commodores until '82) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Stuff From: Nigel Collier Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:16:20 +0000 >So is anybody keeping track of who's committed to attending TurkeyFest? >I don't think that everyone who is planning to go has responded. How many >have actually booked their tickets for the show? How many are thinking of >going, but haven't yet made the call? Don, Don, Don....read your Digests mush....point your browser at http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~nnac/kingList.html A pound of savaloys for Dan James for getting that one right. So called bass players ************************** >Don't mean to "dis" (dismiss, American teenage slang), you digesters >and so called bass players out there, but you are sorely lacking in bass >playing history, particularly when it comes to the slap-pop-thump style. Larry Graham gets much mention in the Digest (as do the Bros Johnson and Stanley Clarke) and I'm sure 'so-called' bass players on the Digest are well aware of slap's roots - they don't need a history lesson. What is a "so-called" bass player anyway? Hammering-On ***************** >Stu Hamm is one of the best I've seen at doing this, he plays classical >piano pieces (Beethoven/Bach) using both hands on the bass, amazing to >hear. Jeff Berlin and Billy Sheehan have also used this style a lot. Stanley Jordan reigns supreme at hammering-on and has influenced the current most exciting bassist I know: Victor Wooten - Victor also plays some astounding classical pieces using this style on his four strings - check out 'A Show of Hands' and prepare to be amazed... Nigel ************************************************** "my theory that the majority is ALWAYS wrong shines brightly", Joe Parrington "...friends all over the world, none in this country but all over the world" - Tony Hancock, The Radio Ham http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~nnac/