From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V99 #11 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 99 : Issue 11 969 subscribers Today's topics: Re: Level42 Digest V99 #10 Laurence F. GREEN Mark King advert pict Kay Anthony Drumming and wish list gregory.jamate Bass talk gregory.jamate Things that make you go 'Hmmm' Steve Robson other solo efforts and drumming John Moffatt Favourite drumtracks Van den Berg, Eric Best drumming songs Lolitaj Re: Best L42 drumming track Chris Staunton hard to find live video KNAPPT KNAPPT KNAPPT One Tin Quetzalcoatl alex.friesen Drums, White Funk(y), etc. Winman42 Mark King Bilal42 Thunderthumbs and the Toetseman Bilal42 Re: Level42 Digest V99 #9 RJBOKBOY Loz's Distaste in 80's Brit Pop Brian Re 'Changing The Guard' Brian ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V99 #10 From: Laurence.F..GREEN @ amazon.shu.ac.uk (Laurence F. GREEN) Organization: Sheffield Hallam University Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:14:29 -0000 Hmm, I'm not sure about Mikey42's hidden messages. Is a reunion plausible? Well, Boon and Mark are writing together ;later this year. If I'm right, they didn't particularly write together for One Man, Boon just faxed Mark a few lyrics, and left some in his study. So this collaboration should be interesting. Don't pass any of this on to Boon, but I think Phil would be the real stumbling block to an original 4 reunion. I could be wrong though. Here's my chance of a reunion odds: Phil: 25% (would have to have certain assurances about track selection, artistic input) Boon 35% (the same, but to a slightly lesser extent [he didn't mind the later stuff as much as Phil did]) Mike 80% (I reckon Mike would jump at the opportunity for the fans sake) Mark 75% (Mark too will be assuaged by fan pressure and the relative lack of chart success of One Man) I make that a 5.25% chance that the original members of Level 42 will reform. A 60% chance that Mark and Mike will reform. Hurrah. Hurrah. Mikey, where did the New Avengers rumour come from? I would be highly surprised if Mike didn't go to one of Marks concerts. Although I don't think Boon is going. LOZ ------------------------------ Subject: Mark King advert pict From: Kay Anthony Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:18:16 -0000 Hi Everyone I had heard that Mark King appears in an advert in the January issue of Bassist magazine. ( inside back cover or somewhere ? ) I tried to find it at the weekend, but I discovered that February issue is now in the shops, so I have missed it. Is there any chance someone could scan the ad in and mail me a .tif. .jpeg or .gif file so I can see it ? Cheers Anthony ------------------------------ Subject: Drumming and wish list From: gregory.jamate @ bellatlantic.COM Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:24 -0500 Hello Levelheads, my favorite drumming tracks and why: 1. Lying Still - delicious high hat just ahead of the beat 2. Mr. Pink live from Physical Presence - funky funky placement of the kick drum beats Come on Adz, where is your two pence (that is your currency now, isn't it) on this? Very excited to see thunderthumbs for the first time this January 30 at Empire Theatre. My wish list for the set includes; - Mr. Pink - 43 - Love Games - Hot Water - Sandstorm (been a while since Mark did this one) - Almost There - And The Sun Goes Down! - Bitter Moon Without Mike Lindup on keys and falsetto, it stands to reason that Mark pulls out the Level 42 instrumentals. Any Washington DC area levelheads want to join me at a Flecktones show, featuring thumpasaurus Victor Wooten on bass? February 8th and 9th in Birchmere. Let me know. Greg Jamate P.S. Erik Terheggen, would you please send me an email at gregory.jamate @ bellatlantic.com? I've lost your email address. ------------------------------ Subject: Bass talk From: gregory.jamate @ bellatlantic.COM Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:36:39 -0500 Hello again, bass talk, scroll down if not interested. I had the thrill this weekend of playing a Stanley Clarke edition Alembic. I had not known that he played a shorter scale bass than standard. I guess the Mark King version is 34 inch scale, anybody know? What a dream to play. The action was perfect, the notes slapped so easily. The strings had plenty of distance between them. Although I have the Epic by Alembic, playing this one made me want to sell all my basses and just hold onto it. Collecting basses is becoming an addiction. I can't afford this. Greg ------------------------------ Subject: Things that make you go 'Hmmm' From: Steve Robson Organization: Cadence Design Systems Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:45:58 +0000 > From: Bilal42 @ aol.com > > Just thought, wouldnt Forever Now make a brilliant 'millenium' song?! > > Someone should release it! Funny, I thought Level 42 had. > From: "Wes C. Remund" > Wow! Now that's a name I haven't heard since I played the Star Trek 25th > Aniversary computer game where Kirk, Spock and McCoy were thrown into a pit > by Quetzalcoatl for being ill mannered. Not to fret, they escaped, won > Quetzalcoatl's trust and McCoy operated on him to remove an organ that made > him immortal. Was it a Hammond? Or perhaps a Yamaha? (Level) Best Regards, Steve UNIX admin MITS Europe e-mail: srobson @ cadence.com Cadence Design Systems Tel: +44 (0)1344 866523 or +44 (0)7771 941264 Bagshot Road Fax: +44 (0)1344 869329 Bracknell BERKSHIRE Web: http://www.cadence.com RG12 0PH UK ------------------------------ Subject: other solo efforts and drumming From: "John Moffatt" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:47:34 PST Just to throw the debate open a little wider, if its solo albums you are talking about then you can't go far wrong with Mike Lindup's excellent and underated "Changes" LP. As for the drumming debate, well "The Spirit is Free" (from this album as if you didn't know!?) has some great drumming moments. Bye John ------------------------------ Subject: Favourite drumtracks From: "Van den Berg, Eric" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:09:07 +0100 Hello all, Just some technical drummers talk. Skip it if your not interested. I'm quite surprised that nobody has mentioned any live drumtrack as his/her favourite. What about the short solo's in Mr. Pink (from pp), especially the first few seconds of the first solo? Another example is a part (somewhere at the beginning) of the drumsolo in 88 (also from pp), where Phil touches the toms very smoothly while you can still hear the snare rolling. In this case Phil creates the illusion of playing toms and snare simultane, which is in my opinion an example of high level technique and creativity. For me this is the representation of subtle drumming. And don't forget the rest of this particular solo. It's one of the best I've ever heard. Did Phil play Hot Water left-handed? On the "Live at Wembley" video he plays Hot Water right handed. Are there videos where you can see him play left-handed? Anyway, it requires a perfect wrist/hand control on both sites. That's what makes him unique: a perfect technique combined with his groovy style. Nothing new I guess, but just to tell you what my favourite drumtracks are. Groet, Eric. ------------------------------ Subject: Best drumming songs From: Lolitaj @ aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:28:07 EST I'm a little late to this thread, but here are my votes: 1) Return of the Handsome Rugged Man 2) Pursuit of Accidents 3) Children Say I like these songs not for any solos, but for the mastery. Especially the subtlety of Children Say; how he approaches the beat. I always say that song defines for me Phil's talent, and shows me exactly the difference in his and Gary's styles. Hearing Gary play Children Say during Guaranteed Live totally changed the song for me - he sounded too forceful on it IMO. Gary playing on Gary era songs is great, though. The true test would be to hear Phil play on Gary era songs, but we all know that will probably never happen. Anyway, that is my spin. Lolita ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Best L42 drumming track From: Chris Staunton Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:19:21 -0500 > IMO, a great drummer is crucial. Other current favorites of mine > (Incognito, Jamiroqui, Steely Dan, Yellowjackets, etc. ) have exceptional > drumming. Speaking of the Yellowjackets, I just went and saw them recently (to see Jimmy H. of course) and that drummer really is great! He was SMOKIN' with a capitol S... really tight & funky. I've never thought much of their studio releases, but I had a feeling that live they would be great, and I was not disappointed! I highly recommend catching one of their shows. ------------------------------- Chris Staunton chriss @ delanet.com ...gotta get back to BASSics... ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: hard to find live video From: KNAPPT @ ldcorp.com (KNAPPT) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:45 -0500 hello i am a new englander and have been a lvl42 fan since the american release of world machine and the subsequent american release of many earlier albumns. reading this digest, i am lead to believe that i am missing many songs, or possibly even an albumn. is there a definative catalouge of lvl42 and band members releases available? also, while mark king is admittedly the backbone of fan support for the band, i hear suprisingly little about what is going on with mike lindup these days. As many of you probably remember, he had a decent solo release a couple of years ago with bassist pino palladino ( who shared the cover of bass player magazine with mark that month). any info on a new albumn from mike? finally, i have in my possesion a laserdisc of a concert on the guaranteed tour in a small club. the concert is great and sound quality well above average. If this is in fact a rarity, i would be happy to make video copies and send them to anyone who wanted one if they are willing to cover the cost of the blank tape, s&h and 5$ to help pay for the eqiupment. would also trade-- thanks for all the info - - hope we can help each other out!! theronk @ netscape.com ------------------------------ Subject: From: KNAPPT @ ldcorp.com (KNAPPT) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:53:36 -0500 from theronk @ netscape.com reguarding the level42 video from laserdisc, cd's and/or cassettes can also be obtained with same policy. thanks\ cheers ------------------------------ Subject: From: KNAPPT @ ldcorp.com (KNAPPT) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:18:29 -0500 IN REFERENCE TO THE 2 ABOVE MESSAGES REGUARDING THE LEVEL42 LASERDISC CONCERT, E- MAIL WAS INADVERTANTLY MIS QUOTED SHOULD BE THERONK @ NETSCAPE.NET AND NOT THERONK @ NETSCAPE.COM ------------------------------ Subject: One Tin Quetzalcoatl From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.on.ca Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:46:58 -0500 Loz wrote: >do most people on the digest own the Boon Gould solo >album 'TinMan' (if not why not) I wish. Can't find it in Toronto, but I keep on checking the big shops downtown. >Boon will be dead impressed that someone sussed the One man chorous out. Just have him give me credit on the next album and we'll call it even. ;-} Or even a personal letter from him expressing his vast admiration at my vast admiration would suffice. Paul Hammond wrote: >> Subject: One Man lyrics dissected >> From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.on.ca >Alex .. I think you are spot on, my man. Thank you, thank you! Just shower the rose petals in my path. (I'm going to milk this sucker as much as I can--it may be part of my 15 minutes.) Nods of appreciation for the nods of appreciation also to: Phillip Bolden Lolita Jackson TSNPUB @ aol.com Nigel Collier Meester A. Goodwin Then Leon Ramos had to come along and write: >Subject: you are wrong about Quetzalcoatl! Dammit! I was doing so well for a few moments! ;-) >[Quetzalcoatl] teached to the mankindarts and crafts Hmm. How 'bout he taught bass to Mark and writing to Boon? Loz also wrote: >I write this today because I am about to start work on issue 3. So anyone who >wants to contribute please get a move Let me know if you want to put the Quetzal bit in issue three. Perhaps I could clean it up and/or expand it. ...Alex... ------------------------------ Subject: Drums, White Funk(y), etc. From: Winman42 @ aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:13:20 EST Ok, first off here are 3 of my fave Level 42 drum tracks. 1. The Return Of The Handsome Rugged Man - Phil Gould 2. If You Were Mine - Gary Husband - I second everything Steve Randall said. This cut is great on the CD, and even better live!! 3. Children Say - Phil Gould - as the former drummer in my band was fond of saying 'Simple, But Effective'. The shuffle feel on the chorus makes this song, period. Honarable mention: The hi-hat line in 'It's over' I just love watching Phil play it during the video. I'm diggin the fact that 'Changing The Guard' is the next single, which means i'll get to hear it at the gigs, right? Hey, Love Wars would have been cool as well. So, when are the CD singles gonna be ready?? Loz, gotta agree with you regarding your post. When 'Starchild' hit it big here in 1981, I was a bit surprised that 3/4 of the band were not black. I knew the band was from England, but not the actual make-up. Now, this is not because I didn't think that a 'white' band could be funky, but it's just that i assumed they were black, based on the radio station that played the music. Either way, the tune was a radio hit, and a club smash. When level 42 released 'Standing In The Light' on A&M records in the US, they were featured in 'Right On' magazine. This is a black publication geared to the black urban market. A&M sure didn't know what to do with the band, but at least they tried. Much of it had to do with the Earth, Wind & Fire connection, which was heavily touted in the article. Ok, fave track from 'Tin man' is 'Kick Or The Kiss. It just jumped out at me upon my first listen. Gotta love Boon's courage with the vocals. Pretty darn good album, imho. Boy, you guys are cracking me up regarding the ''Boon Imposter"! We are starting to sound like Oliver 'conspiracy' Stone. :-) Later, Win ------------------------------ Subject: Mark King From: Bilal42 @ aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:02:20 EST Following on what my dear friend Lisa Harding said yesterday, this is the way I feel about Mark / One Man. Its simple, I have had the privelage to (in effect) grow up with L42/Mark King. Their music changed as I did over the years. One of the most fun things about Level42 was waiting to see what they did next. Each time an album came out, I would think 'wow, surely they cant better this'...then a year later they would. Thats the way I felt when i heard One Man, I felt it was what Mark had been working up to all these years. Sure I like the old stuff, but i like One Man too, its great great music. Having followed their music for so long, its almost as though they are family, so to some extent I take an interest and pride in their work they way I would if it were say, my own brother's work. However, the proof in the One Man pudding was that when we played it to several people who had little or no interest in Level42, they loved it to bits and bought tickets for the tour! what more can i say? did anyone follow that...? Bilal http://members.aol.com/bilal42 ------------------------------ Subject: Thunderthumbs and the Toetseman From: Bilal42 @ aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:02:15 EST I was way too busy with work, but I figured 'what the hell'...I put my work aside and started to flick through my vinyl collection. I have now catalogued it all...; I have NO interest in cat no.s etc etc, but the Vinyl means a lot to me as I can flick through the records, admire the artwork & photos and remember the time when I bought each one. Amongst my favourites, believe it or not...Tracie, because the band just look so happy on the cover, and the tour pics inside brought back great memories. I also find the cover of 'Out of Sight & Out of Mind' very interesting, I am going to scan it soon, it really catches your attention. A few things in my VINYL collection I always wondered about... Thunderthumbs... (Freedom) PROMO with a big 1 and 2 in the centre (worth much?) (I wont sell though!) also: Starchild 12" Pre release PROMO, with different sleeve (similar to L42 album with blue border) and Turn It On on the flip side PDD 520. I hadnt realised before that I have the US World Machine on Vinyl too, rare here but probably common in the US. I always refer to this as the 'Lady Boy Edition' (Alan Partridge talk), as it is World Machine and yet at the same time it is not, as it has True Colours tracks on it! I have a bunch of others which to me are unusual but probably loads of you have, I wont bore you with the details! Bilal http://members.aol.com/bilal42 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V99 #9 From: RJBOKBOY @ aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:39:22 EST Greetings all from snowy Michigan! Many thanks to all of you who have given suggestions for finding releases not yet available in the US. The www.cdteleshop.com site is very nice and has some discs I can't find here. I still can't find Guaranteed on CD. Any ideas out there? Thanks, in advance for any help! Cheers! RJ ------------------------------ Subject: Loz's Distaste in 80's Brit Pop From: Brian Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:27:20 -0600 From: L.F.Green @ shu.ac.uk (Laurence F. GREEN) > (Why is Loz not > running a Human League Digest? He lives in Sheffield doesn't he? ) > > Boy I am tempted to write, 'Because they're crap' but I wouldn't ever stoop so > low! Wood eye? > So we now know you don't like Human League or Pet Shop Boys... What 80's Brit Pop do you like besides L42? :) Brian. BTW, this is slickone @ mindspring.com w/ a new cable modem/ISP/email address. ------------------------------ Subject: Re 'Changing The Guard' From: Brian Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:33:13 -0600 From: "Bill Leslie-Miller" > Great news about 'Changing The Guard' being the next single, and although > I do like every song on the album, my own personal feeling is that this > song is arguably the most commercially viable 'hit' out of all the songs > on the album, let's keep our fingers crossed....... > Agreed. Though this song is about in the middle of my favorites list of the album, it does sound like it would have the most chance at a pop hit. Though I think BM could have easily been a hit on light jazz type stations. Brian.