From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V99 #104 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 99 : Issue 104 1060 subscribers Today's topics: The Forever Now debate... Kay Anthony Rants And Raves...The Great Old Vs New Mark Walsham GB Guitars / Bernie Goodfellow +++ morgan42 Level 42 Tribute CD lol Boney M and Forever Now gregory.jamate Shirt, etc Winman42 Sims Custom LED's Graham Brand Re: Level42 Digest V99 #103 TSNPUB DC Lee, Mike's hair Pat Flanagan Number 42 and Forever Now. Jake Lennington Album Snobbery, etc Cliff.Barua MK's view of FN? alex.friesen Okay...I might as well throw myself into this o>> Dan Nesselroth MARK KING GIGS + NEW ASHDOWN COMBO !!! morgan42 me three D M Lockhart Divided & Forever now Ronald Kuipers Swan song Nightfly83 SV: Level42 Digest V99 #103 LINDSKOG JENNY too cool KNAPPT chris's site & 42 stuff Lisa Devlin Something about you... Caroline Marchand It's all in the... powerfm Wow I AM lagging a bit... Charl Mocke ------------------------------ Subject: The Forever Now debate... From: Kay Anthony Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:34:38 +0100 > Hi all > > Ok, so I stirred up some controversy with my comments about > Forever Now ! - I think I have made my point now. > > However, on a positive note, I still keep my fingers crossed that > there will be another album one day with a reformed group. > > Had anyone thought that even if Boon, Alan and Jakko aren't there > to play guitar, how about Nathan King joining a reformed group, > as I was impressed by his playing at the recent gigs and after all > he knows much of the material now. > > - Perhaps there are those out there who think two Kings is too many !! > > > Phil might not never want to play again, but there's always Gary > Husband. > > Just to put the record straight, I do rate Staring at the Sun, as I > thought > both Alan Murphy and Gary Husband were exceptional musicians who > brought a new blend to the L42 sound. - In fact, Heaven in my hands is > > an all-time L42 favourite of mine. > > Just because I don't like one particular LP can you condemn me for > that - > after all, considering the number of albums they wrote together it > would be > unusual to rate every single one as much as the other. > > Let's face it, I have been a fan since 1983 but I don't even call > myself a > die-hard fan as I didn't see them play out until 1986. But I have been > around long enough to make my own definitive opinion of their music. > They are still my number one band and always will be. > > Anthony ------------------------------ Subject: Rants And Raves...The Great Old Vs New From: "Mark Walsham" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:09:28 GMT Just wanted to follow up on a few points raised in the digtest today. Would we all be happy for L42 to re-form? I think the answer would initially be yes, but in my opinion it would be detremental in the long run. Memory is a very strange thing, and memories become distorted and augmented in your mind over time. I think the idea of L42 re-forming would appeal more than the actual event. The back catalogue we have of L42/ML/MK is great, but it wont be here again, it's all in the past, let it stay there and let us enjoy it. Can anyone take bands that have had various and multiple line up changes over the years seriously? Mark has done well to move forward out of the shadow of L42 (whilst utilising the L42 branding to his advantage) to new areas. IMHO I would rather support the individual members projects into new areas over a reform and re-hash of L42 (but it would be kinda cool). If the band want to reform and do new stuff, then great, but IMHO I do not see that it would be a progression of L42. I would see it as a whole new enterprise, and judge it on the merits of the band at the time. This brings me to another point. I do not believe that the later stuff that L42 did was of 'bad quality', the way in which it was produced, engineered and most importantly played, was of a very high quality, but what I question is the lyrical/cheesy content. We all know that Polydor and RCA wanted to mould the band into a different form, and that would of course had an effect on the music. I am not writing off the later stuff, but merely saying that I think it is not as strong as the earlier stuff. Next point, I don't think anyone can judge whether or not the later stuff is good/bad/indifferent without listening to the whole catalogue! Most of us have all the albums, and have been listening to them over a long period of time, and therefore can try and make an informed comment. If somebody has only listened to the last three albums, and they like them then fantastic, but I feel that person is in no position to make an informed comment without them listening to all the material (in the context of the current new vs old discussion) My post is not designed to slag off L42, but I am making an observation based on listening to all the material. This discussion topic is a very SUBJECTIVE area, and therefore should be taken with a pinch of salt. The main thing is, that we all enjoy the music....... I'll get off my soap box now! Rgds, Mark. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Not Hot, Not Cold, Not You, Not Me, Only Memory......." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: GB Guitars / Bernie Goodfellow +++ From: morgan42 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:57:59 +0200 Hey everyone, Yesterday I saw Bernie Goodfellow during the french music show called MUSICMANIA (like the NAMM SHOW in US...). He's the guy behind the new Mark's Basses... and a friend of Boon too. He was very nice. I talked about the website, picked up some MK postcards, photos, one MK poster (Ashdown Promo), etc. Of course I played on his basses ! Great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I played on the red one too (like Mark) and the sound was terrific. I must go in England soon to buy one fantastic GB Bass Guitar. AND DON'T FORGET !!! MARK IS IN STUDIO NOW ! AND THE NEXT ALBUM WILL BE EXCELLENT !!! MAYBE A SURPRISE.... I CAN'T TELL YOU...................... :-))) Message for Carl Mueller : VIGIER website : http://www.vigierguitars.com See ya ! Morgan. ------------------------------ Subject: Level 42 Tribute CD From: lol @ slr.se Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:45:25 +0200 Yesterday Dan Nesselroth wrote: >AHHHHH! But what tribute albums would you like to Hear LEVEL 42 >singing on?! I'd personally love for Level42 to do a whole CD of Frank Sinatra-covers. Mike singing 'My Way', of course. Other artists I'd like doing L42-songs: Ryuichi Sakamoto - My Hero Elvis Costello - Love In A Peaceful World Tribal Tech - Mr Pink Barry Manilow - People Iron Maiden - Over There David Sylvian & Mark Isham - Hours By The Window Hall & Oates - Take Care Of Yourself Dream Theater - Theme To Margaret Angelique Kidjo - Freedom Robert Palmer - Sleepwalkers Bruce Hornsby - Leaving Me Now Branford Marsalis - Dance On Heavy Weather Frank Zappa - Shapeshifter Steve Vai - Guaranteed Chemical Brothers - The Machine Stops Pat Flanagan - The Kick Or The Kiss ;-) Lars ------------------------------ Subject: Boney M and Forever Now From: gregory.jamate @ bellatlantic.COM Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:02:02 -0400 Hello levelheads, Hans wrote; >where musical taste is concerned, I usually try to be tolerant. >And while I'm at it, (and this is just my personal opinion): Boney M (they were >phoney, I take it you all realize that) >and a lot of the other "artists" mentioned recently, SUCK LIKE HELL ! Interesting to read the Boney M posts. I had picked up a remix of their greatest hits a few weeks back, and have been enjoying the old classics since. When I saw Frank Farian's name on the credits I became suspicious. Hans, do you know what was phoney and what was genuine? Were the vocals not actually sung by the three women pictured? The bottom line as Pat F wrote, is music is music, it doesn't matter who makes it or who dances in the video. I try not to let the Frank Farian connection disturb my enjoyment. From AK's disagreement about Forever Now: >Alan Murphy was a great loss - Guaranteed was not so good for me but > enjoyable all the same, but Forever Now was Forever Bad - enough said !! I'm glad we all don't like the same music for the same reasons. How boring this daily email would be. Forever Now is a different direction musically. If you listen to it expecting to hear the old genre of jazz funk or perfect pop, you're bound for disappointment. >Level 42 is not like Incognito and never will be. Why do we >keep on having Incognito and Jamiroquoi mentioned on the >digest so regularly as if they are a comparable artists ?? >.......Level 42 were in a league of their own. The mentioning of other artists I hope continues. On certain levels, there is no comparison from one artist to another. On others, another artist's music serves as the basis for discussion, which illustrates points made about this digest's main topic. Let's not try to limit the discussion to only Level 42. I agree that material up to Guaranteed cannot be compared with Incognito. It is with this album (FN) that the link to Incognito comes into play. In my opinion, and I'll probably get roasted for it, but Forever Now is similar to the quality of music made by Incognito. It is a step forward in terms of production quality and overall songwriting. On the lighter side, it is funny to hear a phrase like 'See you later, Alligator', and the reference to 'Turn It On' on FN. They obviously felt confident enough in their songs to get silly. Greg J ------------------------------ Subject: Shirt, etc From: Winman42 @ aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:39:43 EDT So, I'm trolling around the web, stop in at www.ebay.com, to see what Level 42 goodies are on sale. Suprise, surprise!! Someone is selling their International Levelfest T-shirt!!! What a shame. Eric, I guess the Jamiroquai link would be that DC Lee was a member of The Style COuncil, alongside Steve White, wo co-wrote 'Love In A Peaceful World' with Phil Gould. What do i win? I find the recent Jamiroquai is or isn't like Level 42 very funny. I have on video tape, and interview with Mark & Mike, where Mark says bands like Jamiro and the brand New Heavies are doing what Level 42 once did. In that they would be considered jazz/funk. Mark, yes 'Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind' was released as a 12 inch pic disc, as well as a 7 inch pic disc. You can view the 7 inch on www.forevernow.com Don Z, gotta agree with you on your points regarding Forever Now, the bands evolution, and Guaranteed. have to disagree regarding One Man. Where I feel it would not be considered a 'great' Level 42 album, I wont go so far as to say the songs are not well written. :-) Regarding the later material the band released, I count some of the earlier albums as my faves, and not, say, Forever Now. Of course I started following the band with the 'Starchild' single, so I may be biased. Forever Now contains perhaps my fave vocal track by the band, LIAPW, it just doesn't sounds live. The drums sound like loops, and drums machines, even though Phil played some of the stuff. Of course, had i arrived with Wm, or RITF I might feel differently. Tcoy, Win ------------------------------ Subject: Sims Custom LED's From: Graham Brand Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 06:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Just a quick message to all you bassists I got my bass back from Martin Sims yesterday. (he's the guy who does work on Marks basses) What can I say, the quality of the work is absolutly fantastic, and the LED's look super cool. I cannot recommend this guy enough to anyone who want's custom guitar work done. Laters G _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V99 #103 From: TSNPUB @ aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:11:54 EDT Hey gang, Jim here. Yesterday someone wrote: << I don't want to get really technical but I think FN was an even stronger release than Guaranteed and was an interesting cross between a "return to form" and an almost tribute to melodic 70's soul >> I agree. I thought Forever Now was a strong album. I heard it as a new approach for the band: one that took the classic jazz-funk progressions of "early 42" and successfully intertwined them with some of the more commercial elements of the later stuff like on RITF. I don't think FN was their best album; however, I do enjoy listening to it more than SITS or Guaranteed. I guess now the issue is settled! Peace, Jim ------------------------------ Subject: DC Lee, Mike's hair From: Pat Flanagan Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:32:29 -0500 Eric wrote: > singer DC Lee has also played with > Jamiroquai, a non-obvious connection for the ambitious fans out there. > =) -Eric] Nice! I'll bite. DC Lee ==> formerly w/Style Council & married to Paul Weller ==> Steve White was in Style Council ==> Steve White co-wrote "Love In A Peaceful World" with Phil Gould & has done other projects with him. Do I get a cookie? >Thirdly, Mrs Pink, yes your right, the picture of Mike on the promo for >the gig is scary. Cut it off, cut it off, cut it off!! I haven't seen this photo, is it posted online somewhere? >Hans, I was only kidding about the Carpenters. I hate them and was >the first to open a bottle of bubbly when Karen permanently vanished >into thin air. Not a big fan of the Carpenters, but that was rather tasteless. ____________________ PFPD -- newmedia marketing consulting a limited liability company PO Box 281, Granger, IN 46530-0281 v:616.663.2250 -- competitive business advantages through creative technology ------------------------------ Subject: Number 42 and Forever Now. From: getjakeit @ webtv.net (Jake Lennington) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:26:34 -0500 (CDT) Well, my car has just hit 42,000 miles and I have a LEVEL42 licence plate. As for FN, it would've been my favorite L42 CD if the people in charge would've released it as a Double CD. It should've been somthing like this: CD1: The RCA Release, plus All over You 7" CD2: Billy's Gone (95 version), The Bends, Play Me, Heart on the Line, Time will Heal, Learn to Say No, Past Lives, Love in a Peaceful World (old skool mix) Forever Now (Porky Rides again Mix) ------------------------------ Subject: Album Snobbery, etc From: Cliff.Barua @ ec.gc.ca Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:30:18 -0400 Chris M raises some good points in discussing why people slag off the later albums (Chris, are you trying to promote an "Ogre Battle" on the Digest??) (Shameless, Queen II reference :-)). I, myself, am an "early album snob", even though I didn't get into the band until True Colurs/World Machine. There are some godd songs on the later albums. The problem for me is the lack of consistency or continuity in the sound or quality of the songs. This I feel had mostly to do with the changes in personnel and the goal and pressures to become "bigger in America". I actually thought Forever Now was better than _both_ Staring At the Sun and (of course) Guaranteed. But its lack of success was due to the fact that Level 42 was deemed to have passed its Sell-By date, and it could have released "Thriller Titanic Night Fever" without much success. Also, I don't see them reuniting again, at least not as Level 42. This may sound cynical, but the 80's were generally viewed as a musically opportunistic time (one hit wonders - even our boys are often referred to in this manner). Any reunions are greeted with "they weren't even that good in the 80's, why don't they just go away", and a suspicion of milking it on old laurels. On the other hand, the lack of up and coming new artists is the perfect breeding ground for 80's reunions. Eric, was D.C. Lee involved with Level 42? The only thing I know about her is that she is the ex-wife of Paul Weller, and was therefore a part of the Style Council. Cliff Barua - Toronto ------------------------------ Subject: MK's view of FN? From: alex.friesen @ sickkids.on.ca Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:37:35 -0400 >From: "Pashman, Rob" > In discussing _Forever Now_ (which is, by the way, vastly superior to _Staring at the Sun_ and _Garunteed_ combined (fact, not opinion)), Rob wrote: >Hearing now from MK about the state of the band at the >time is surprising considering the quality of the material they put >together. > I must have missed something. What was Mark's view of "the state of the band at the time"? ...Alex... "...'Til I saw you in pieces" ------------------------------ Subject: Okay...I might as well throw myself into this one From: "Dan Nesselroth" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:02:00 PDT Forever Now was a GREAT album for the band to end on. It showed that they still had a talented core, despite the directionless and weak meanderings of the two previous albums. And I am NOT slagging Staring at the Sun or Garunteed. They simply lack the total listenablility of the earlier stuff...I blame the lack of BOON and PHIL. Alan Murphy died before he could really impress us, and Gary Husband was "like thunder" but more rockish than funkish. I love many tracks from those two albums, but find myself skipping many. Overtime, Her Big Day, My Father's Shoes, Over There, Silence.....good stuff, but not GREAT stuff.....NOT Love Games, Almost There, Micro Kid, or Kansas City Milkman. The Gould influences are lacking, and that is that. Forever Now saw the return of PHIL...at least in the studio and I think you can Hear the improved morale of Mark, who seems to desparately need Phil to trim the edges. I can listen to ALL of Forever Now except for Time Will Heal...not a bad average. Forever now is sharp and Funkier than the previous releases...that in itself calls up the early days of L42. I personally feel that Forever Now is at least as good as the LEVEL 42 album. It was poorly promoted. Gresham Blues?----I could take it or leave it. It never blew me away. It is symbolic as the last insturmental track to go on a L42 album. Incidentally, I am one of those fans that thinks The Chinese Way SUCKS! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: MARK KING GIGS + NEW ASHDOWN COMBO !!! From: morgan42 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:15:13 +0200 Hello again, I have just received a mail from Mark Gooday himself : -cut here- My site is just being updated so it will be of more interest. http://www.ashdownmusic.co.uk Mark is also playing at Ronnie Scotts in November and two gigs at Mad About Music Music show in Birmingham in November as well. I have also just built a SUPER KING combo for Mark, 900w 8x10" with two horns, twice the power of his last one. Mark is also doing a more Bass guitar featured Album as we speak, watch this space. best rgds Mark -cut here- MORE TO COME SOON... See ya ! Morgan. http://www.level42.com ------------------------------ Subject: me three From: "D M Lockhart" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:41:47 PDT As much as I love me some "Heart On The Line", I'd have to say that "Forever Now" is not a great album. In fact, if it came down to an RCA record, it's clear that "Guaranteed" is one of their finer albums as a group. If for no other reason, it doesn't regurgitate "Love Games" over and over. It was, in fact, a pretty edgy album for its day, which makes it a timely CD today. I know I always get a "what's that playing?" at work when I pop it in close to five. Now the CD I play the MOST often is "Physical Presence"...gotta have those live versions of "Eyes Waterfalling" and "Kansas City Milkman". Keep on, dml42 __________________________________________________________________ "A film is -- or should be -- more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later." - Stanley Kubrick. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Divided & Forever now From: "Ronald Kuipers" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:00:58 +0200 Hi groups, Again we are divided in 2, a pre RITF and a post RITF group. Ofcourse there are also people like me who happens to love both. My opinion about Forever Now is that it was there best album EVER. It al went wrong with marketing. First they releaed FN as a single witch was a good move. A very bad move was to put AOY on the CDsingle and a then release that track as the second single. HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE ??????? Especially after releasing so many bad remixes of AOY on CD2 of Forever Now. The last bad move was releasing Love in a peaceful world. Altough it's someting we all want, it just sounds too soft too sweet. Billy's gone would have been a better choose. And for the promotion WHAT PROMOTION? There was NONE. I heard FN for the first time in De Avondspits and that was only because the DJ was a big L42 fan himself. He even had Mark and Mike in the studio playing 1 track of FN each day for a week. No promotion stuff in shops, no commercials on radio or tv nothing. Maybe Mark and Mike wouldn't work for such a recordcompagnie anymore, to bad they left Polydor. Just my two kwartjes . . . . . . Ronald ------------------------------ Subject: Swan song From: Nightfly83 @ aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:24:08 EDT In a gesture of pique, which will doubtless cause emotive scenes of delirium across the four corners of the cyberglobe, I am unsubscribing from the Digest. Bit of a shame really, as I was stockpiling a nice line in Kurtis Kegley jokes (like the one about my apocryphal novel probably selling about as well as Kurtis Kegley's 'Philanthropy: A Personal View'), but that's life. The motivation for this is the following which I received this morning: "Quit filling up the digest with your quote/reply nonsense crap. No one wants to read it." I don't mind any kind of abuse in the public hurly-burly of the Digest, but having this stuff land in my personal inbox I can live without. To those of you who like your Digest entries to be more colourful than prosaic, I commend the surreal sarcasm of Alex Friesen, the wry whimsy of EMIKATIE, the becalming insight of Cliff Barua, the pithy one-liners of Bill Burnett (whose recent Early Learning Centre pay-off was one of the Digest's 1999 highlights), the feverish imagination of ERICWHE01, the graceful erudition of Gaetan Duperron, and I'm sure others whose names escape me and to whom I apologise for the omission. So long kids. It's been fun. AG ------------------------------ Subject: SV: Level42 Digest V99 #103 From: "LINDSKOG JENNY" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:32:46 +0200 >Subject: Boney M, Groups, Macari's, HOI >From: Pat Flanagan >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:16:36 -0500 >Probably because a disproportionate amount of people who are on this digest >also like those groups. Same with Tears For Fears and Swing Out Sister. It >just be that way. What!? Anyone else like Swing Out Sister?? Me, I love them! And, as a matter of fact, I like Jamiroqui as well. Tears for fears are OK. Incognito, I wouldn't know about. Oh wait, they did that song "Don't you worry 'bout a thing" didn't they? I liked that one. So what does this prove? Haven't got a clue... Jenny ------------------------------ Subject: too cool From: KNAPPT @ ldcorp.com (KNAPPT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:45:08 -0400 Well thank you to the helpful digester who recommended the web sites for tinman. Yes, I did get a copy!! But this was too cool not to mention at: http://www.artist-shop.com/cgi-bin/htsearch I entered Mark King into the cd search engine... 42 items matching!! While I respect all the opinions back and forth about the different albums, I think we would all be much more stimulated by some depth in this reguard. For example, Personally, I think that while One Man is a good album, It is not level 42 quality as the sound is bad (distorted) on several tracks, and it lacks the high quality production of their other albumns(except maybe the early tapes). The song writing is strong on many songs, but lack the back and forth between mark and the back up singer that was so excellent in L42. FN had EXCELLENT sound quality, and I know for the most part I am preaching to the convereted on this! Slightly better on the JAP version, although the songs added for AUSTRIA are great too! In reviewing all the Heaven and hell comments, it occured to me that while all the l24 albums are loved, everyone seems to have one song on each record they hate? Hypothesis: Listening to music of such high quality (most of each album) makes that one track which is only Very Good seem worse than it otherwise would be. I have to wonder if all the songs that appeared on peoples Hell lists were on a single disc and released, would all but one of the Hell choices become loved? On a final note, I have heard digesters refer to The Gould Brothers Band...Is this for real, or just a we wish project? Has Phil done anything since 1987? Theronk @ netscape.net ------------------------------ Subject: chris's site & 42 stuff From: "Lisa Devlin" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:35:13 +0100 Chris D Was I really the 42nd person to visit your Ryde pics page? Or did you set that up :) lisa ------------------------------ Subject: Something about you... From: CAROLINEINSTA @ webtv.net (Caroline Marchand) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:15:19 -0500 (CDT) Level 42 has had a huge influence in my life. The first tune I heard was the everlasting hit,"Something About You." From there is where I first caught my glimpse of the incredible talent that this band had. Some of my favorite Level 42 hits range from Love Games, Eyes Waterfalling, It's Over, World Machine, Physical Presence, Out of Sight.., Billy's Gone, just to name a few truly have been either in the tape deck of my car, of course in my CD player, and in my walkman as a jog down the street. My only regret is that I never got a chance to see them play live. I've seen there videos, and the Fait Accompli video. I would like to know If there is any Level 42 merchandise that I can purchase especially t-shirts. Please let me know where I can get this information or If any of you guys have access to this. Peace all You Level Fans!! Caroline USA ------------------------------ Subject: It's all in the... From: powerfm @ mail.netconnect.com.au Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:01:13 +1000 My 2 pence worth..... >>>I remember a few days ago discussions about the bass note in The >>Chinese Way's riff, is it a G or a G sharp? well, Basslines by J.(etc. etc.) Which ever note you decide to play, it's very important you use your ears and....wait for it....articulate!!! Who cares what a book says!! Listen!! (apologies to Mr. Hubbard) By the way, how are our Sydney friends doing after the storm???? Boy that looked nasty...hail the size of cricket balls, no less!!! Later, I'm off to learn the head of "There is a dog" (again!!) Spaldo ------------------------------ Subject: Wow I AM lagging a bit... From: "Charl Mocke" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:20:02 +0200 Hi again Levelheads.... Yesterday I wrote: > I think Mark is happy with his label at Eagle now, and with the albums he is releasing. Seems I am a bit off here; apparently Mark is pissed at Eagle Records... maybe even the better for us fans, now maybe that will be ever the more reason to re-form "Level 42" again! Regarding the FN album, I like it but it's not my favourite album. Good to have had Phil back on the band though. Later, Charl Mr. Charl Mocke ISIS Information Systems (Pty) Ltd Cape Town South Africa E-mail: MockeC @ Telkom.co.za O/H Tel.: +27 (0)21 414-4720 A/H Tel.: +27 (0)21 854-8005 Pager: 088 002-8848 Cell.: