From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V97 #8 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 97 : Issue 8 460 subscribers Today's topics: CD update dirk.vael Hesse Messe Winman42 Random stuff Pat Flanagan Re: Level42 Digest V97 #7 Joseph Arruda Re: L42 on SNL Vince Mora wembley album Mike Wiethorn Re: Who's that bass player? Randall L Collins Joe P EMIKATIE I'm Sorry, No New Album ByrdLvl42 Alan Holdsworth - Things to check out Jwall6653 I forgot one (john) Alan Holdsworth continued... Jwall6653 Byrdman's "Play Me" List ByrdLvl42 Of CD burning and track indexing Zak ------------------------------ Subject: CD update From: "dirk.vael" Date: 8 Jan 97 14:31:33 Here's an update of my CD projects 1. People who are interested in the Enschede91 live gig CD (67 mins plus 7 mins bonustrack) - maarteng @ dds.nl (maarten gorter) - mjt101 @ york.ac.uk (mark tweedale) - EMIKATIE @ aol.com 2. People who are interested in the Wembley87 live gig CD (69 mins plus full Micro Kid Live bonustrack) - maarteng @ dds.nl (maarten gorter) - mjt101 @ york.ac.uk (mark tweedale) - EMIKATIE @ aol.com - heybert @ ix.netcom.com These 2 CDs will not be produced until there's a feasible solution for the track-problem (or if we're sure it can't be solved...) 3. People who are willing to help or made suggestions for the CD-ROM project (650 MBytes) - maarteng @ dds.nl (maarten gorter) - Xaqtly @ primenet.com (Zak) (!a US CD-burner!) - billw @ xpense.com (Bill Wilson) - heybert @ ix.netcom.com - love.karlsson @ mailbox.swipnet.se (Lars-Ove Karlsson) - Winman42 @ aol.com - morgan42 @ club-internet.fr (Morgan Roussel) 4. The guys who want to obtain the AYGB Digest B-Sides CD (72 mins) - morgan42 @ club-internet.fr (Morgan Roussel) - graham.brand @ gecm.com (Graham Brand) - paul @ bassnet.demon.co.uk - 101506.1764 @ compuserve.com (Jonathan Playle) - t.dahl @ post3.tele.dk (Troels Dahl) Cheers, Dirkies ------------------------------ Subject: Hesse Messe From: Winman42 @ aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:46:57 -0500 (EST) Nigel, I'm glad you posted about 'The Prodigy'. When i heard the White Funky I thought of getting the book, but of course the thought never enters my head when I'm looking for a book. I think I'll go out this week at pick it up. Let me know what you think when you are done. Man, I haven't heard anyone mention Go-GO music is a long time. I spent a few years in Delaware and Maryland, where this music was huge in the 80's. I have a good collection of Trouble Funk, Chuck Brown, EU, etc. Let me know if you are interested. Chuck Brown is still touring, and I see him a few times a year here in New York. I saw him about 2 years ago at Tramps, and Chaka Khan came out of the audience and did a few tunes. Totally Awesome!! Then Bernie Worrell, the great keyboardist, from Parliament/Funkadelic joined them as well. Byrdman, great job! Very funny, but also very true. Let's all hold hands, sing 'It's Over', kiss and make up, and get back to the jams! Pas, Winston ------------------------------ Subject: Random stuff From: pfpd @ pobox.com (Pat Flanagan) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:24:36 -0500 (EST) > The White Funky Mark introduces a song as being "based on a book by > Herman Hesse" and goes on to introduce 'Eyes Waterfalling' before being > corrected (by Phil?) and introducing 'Last Chance'. So, are we to > assume that the former or the latter were based on the book? Eyes Waterfalling is based on the book. In fact, in the liner notes to Pursuit of Accidents, it's called "Eyes Waterfalling (The Prodigy)." > CHAKA: Lolita (as usual) is right. Chaka Khan is amazing. Check out the > live stuff by her - a massive sound (how many does she have in her > band?) great bassist, and an incredible voice. Uh huh. Chaka's da BIG BOMB. TCOY, Pat Flanagan Publishing & Design PO Box 281, Granger, IN 46530-0281 email: pfpd @ pobox.com website: http://www.pobox.com/~pfpd TOTALMEDIA PUBLISHING: Print * Disk * Interactive * CDROM * Internet ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V97 #7 From: joseph.arruda @ Ebay.Sun.COM (Joseph Arruda) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 07:03:00 -0800 From: EMIKATIE @ aol.com > OK. I may be on the verge of "branching out". I've seen references > to Jakko and Alan Holdsworth in the digest. Do I need material by them? > I must admit I didn't pay enough attention to the posts referring to > these artists. > > Is Jakko considered New Age music or is it rock, funk or blues etc? Is > it like David Sylvian's stuff? What about Alan Holdsworth? What is > his stuff like. Much of Jakko's style is derived from Allan Holdsworth, who is considered by many to be a musician's musician (Eddie Van Halen declined to play on a Holdsworth album because he didn't feel technically capable of handling the task as the rumour goes). His brief solos on Guarenteed give only a sample of what to expect (BTW, Gary Husband plays on most Holdsworth disks) as his sytle is defined as flowing, legato based fluidity. His trademarks are some of the fastest fingerwork known(without being hair-band overblown), strong arrangements, and making the guitar do things that after listening often posits the question "OOOhhh, how do he do 'dat???". His work covers two decades, and a whole lot of variations. For 70's fusion stuff I recommend anything he recorded with Bruford (featuring Bill Bruford of Yes on drums and another great bass player, Jeff Berlin). Other good albums would be Metal Fatigue and anything past 1994. Unless you really grow to like his style in general, I would skip albums from the mid '80's like Sand, as they involve HEAVY use of the Synthaxe/Guitar synth, and are very weird. Avoid any albums that have a lot of vocal tracks (almost every vocalist he's ever worked with sucks a big lemon- IMHO), like I.O.U.. BTW, if at first his stuff seems weird (it is), give it a few listens, and it grows on you - took me a while to aquire a taste for the gentleman. BTW again, another good example would be Chad Wackerman's 40 reasons album. Allan plays beautifully on it, and it has great drum work. Mr. Zenn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: L42 on SNL From: "Vince Mora" Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:14:19 -0700 (MST) rcol @ ix.netcom.com (Randall L Collins) writes: > was assuming that L42 would play twice as is the format of the show. I > was a little disappointed because I would have been very curious to see > what other track they would've played. The musical guest always does play twice, but two factors affected this: 1) Comedy Central reduces their midday presentation of SNL to a half-hour, chopping out lots of stuff. So a second musical number was cut out. 2) In this case however, it looks like we didn't miss anything -- L42 seemed to be sharing music-time with E.G. Daily, so the 2nd musical number would've been HER instead of another L42 performance. So we didn't miss out! How's that for karma? :) > I can enjoy it whenever I want. These are the original members I would > love to see again together someday. It was so nice seeing Boon there, jamming away. He looked happy. (Wow, just got REALLY sentimental there ... somebody slap me ... :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vince Mora http://www.swcp.com/synth/ L42 Home Page voice: USA: 505 332 0139 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Be good to your friends, or else they may develop psychokinetic abilities and destroy Tokyo." -- mreisch @ swcp.com ------------------------------ Subject: wembley album From: Mike Wiethorn Organization: Kirkwood Community College Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 13:18:00 -0500 Hi y'all....... I see that an album entitled "Live at Wembley" was released a couple of months ago. Could somebody set me up with a list of songs on that CD? What I want most are live versions of "Lessons" and "Overtime".....would they be on that album? Saw 42 on an SNL rerun on Com Central yesterday....I have a tape if you are interested in it. C-ya, Mike Wiethorn Cedar Rapids, Iowa ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Who's that bass player? From: rcol @ ix.netcom.com (Randall L Collins) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:25:56 -0800 From: pfpd @ pobox.com (Pat Flanagan) > I know there will be a lot of these responses, but MK does not play > on the album. Check the liner notes, Ran. Well, I do stand corrected on 'Really Got a Problem' but there is no bass player listed for 'Be With You' on the Rick Astley CD. I suppose we could assume Mark doesn't play but it doesn't say so, at least for 'Be With You'. Thanks for pointing that out. There! I feel better now. I was a F*CKING man about my oversight! (Thanks Brydman!) Ran ------------------------------ Subject: Joe P From: EMIKATIE @ aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:27:45 -0500 (EST) This is only a question so it should be interpreted as a question only, not an opinion or anything else! Is the P in Joe P short for PMS? The machine stops. John ------------------------------ Subject: I'm Sorry, No New Album From: ByrdLvl42 @ aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:02:53 -0500 (EST) It has been mentioned to me that I was out of line and quote "childish" to use the heading "A BRAND NEW LEVEL 42 ALBUM!!!" in my most recent posting. I ment no offense and I apologise to those who were angered by this posting. I do not regret the content of the post, for I felt (me) that it needed to be said, or my method, because I felt it neccesary. I do regret its unintended results, if it did offend you. My post was written in good fun and in the spirit of good web relations. I also add, that although I don't regret my statements, and may disagree with some letters I have received regarding my post, I see no need in insulting those I disagree with, or call the whole digest idiotic if they didn't get the point and playful nature of my post. If from now on, anyone feels the need to write me stating that I was wrong to post the way I did, consider this my apology, and the last time I will speak about this matter (or the matter in which the post was REALLY about). And with that (as far as I'm concerned) the matter is closed "I keep to myself what I might shre with others 'Cause they don't seem to understand. I open my mouth to rediscover That I don't have the words at my comand..." -Children Say Byrdman ------------------------------ Subject: Alan Holdsworth - Things to check out From: Jwall6653 @ aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:01:15 -0500 (EST) John, Saw your request for some Holdsworth info in the digest of 1/08/97. There are several cds/albums I would suggest to check out Alan. They are as follows: Solo Road Games Label ?? I.O.U. 1982 Enigma records w/Gary Husband Metal Fatigue 1985 Enigma records w/Gary Husband & Chad Wackerman on drums, Gary Willis & Jimmy Johnson on bass (great album).. With Bruford Feels Good to Me 1977 E.G. records w/ Jeff Berlin on bass and Bill Bruford on drums. One of a Kind 1979 E.G. records w/ Jeff Berlin on bass and Bill Bruford on drums. With Jean-Luc Ponty Enigmatic Ocean 1977 Atlantic records w/ Steve Smith (of Journey fame) on drums, and Daryl Stuermer (touring guitarist for Genesis) also playing Guitar.. This is an excellent album.. Individual Choice 1983 Atlantic records w/Randy Jackson on bass.. This is by no means everything (not even close) just some of my favorites and ones that I feel are the most interesting for a new Holdsworth listener.. Let me know if you have trouble locating any of these and I will work something out for you.. See You Later Everyone John Wallace ------------------------------ Subject: I forgot one (john) Alan Holdsworth continued... From: Jwall6653 @ aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:47:20 -0500 (EST) Sorry it's John again... I forgot one very great album with Alan on it... U.K. / U.K. - 1978 E.G. records w/ Bill Bruford, John Wetton (Asia), and Eddie Jobson on violin. I do know that this was re-released on cd about three years ago.. See Ya Again John Wallace. ------------------------------ Subject: Byrdman's "Play Me" List From: ByrdLvl42 @ aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 22:16:00 -0500 (EST) Yesterday was a pretty bad and strange day, so to relax I listened to a few of my favorite songs, and as this is the end of the year (begining of a new one) and many people like to make lists of the "bests" of that year, here is my "Level 42 Bests "Play Me" List". BEST BASS LINE: "You Can't Blame Louis" "Children Say" These two songs are increasingly playable, both as originals or remixes. The remix version of "Children Say" had all my non-levelheaded bass buddies going "Who the FOUL WORD is this guy. He's the BOMB!" I still can't get over the "The White Funky" version (however brief) of "You Can't Blame Louis". Very Jazzy. I'd love to here a complete version of this remix. BEST PERFORMANCE BY MIKE IN A SONG: "Silence"- A controled A-Bomb explosion of an performance. He starts out very subdued and goes slowly over the top. Keyboard bonanza! BEST PERFORMANCE BY MARK IN A SONG Too many to mention. BEST MELANCHOLY GROOVE: "Hours by the Window"- "All alone I say no prayers today/I couldn't kneel to please the God who failed you.." Makes you want to ask Mark, "Can I get you a hanky or something man. Dang, man I"M SO SORRY" BEST SONG TO BUILD A MOVIE AROUND "Forever Now"- For those who don't know me well, I have written a few independent screenplays. When I write I have certain songs, scenes, and lines in mind. Besides the "Tower of Power"ful horn line on this one, anytime I hear a line like "We've got 20,000 million years/Then the whole damn thing will disappear" I smell box office potential. If this song doesn't make you want to get up and go do something (see the movie, see the video, buy the book...) then call your local undertaker, you're dead. BEST SONG TO TEST A CLUB'S MUSIC SYSTEM WITH also BEST SONG FOR RAMP WORK "The Sunbed Song"- (in my best Ru Paul impersonation) I've got just one thing to say "Saucy!". If you can't picture supermodels strutting down the catwalk on this one or clubkids acting tragicly hip`to this, just go ahead and raise a barn, because you're 100% Amish. BEST LOVE SONG "Two Hearts Collide"- This was my courting song for my first love, Kristine. And if you cansing pretty well (I do o.k.) and are trying to get someone to fall in love with you, sing this accapella. But I warn you, use this tactic sparingly, or else you'll have half the women in town chasing after you! BEST BREAKUP SONG "Leaving Me Now"- This catagory really depends on the nature of your breakup, but all and all this one sums up everything in one breath. BEST CHEATING HEART SONG "Taking In Your Sleep"- This one used to be "Out of Sight, Out of Mind" but TIYS is too melodic to be ignored, and its very haunting on really bad breakups. BEST OF "THE BEST LOVE SONGS" "Something About You"- Need I say more? FUNKIEST SONG "The Sunbed Song"- I listened to this song again recently, and with a little remix and touch up, this song would KILL on the R&B charts American (Really!). Too damn dancable! JAZZIEST SONG (VOCAL) "Don't Bother Me"- Starts off kinda corny, and I wanted to trash the whole thing, then the pattern shifted, the additude changed, and it started rockin'. Great example of how a song can have a "emotional presense". JAZZIEST SONG (INSTRUMENTAL) "LEVEL 42: THE EARLY TAPES"- This whole album is a great example why they became great. In the words of Woody, from TOY STORY, "If you don't have one, Get one!" BEST BID FOR "MTV UNPLUGGED" "I Want Eyes"- This would male an awesome a-cool-stic song, if only Mark could play upright bass, and the band hit America big enough to make this musical level (no pun here). Just picture Mike on a baby grand, and Gould (I keep forgetting the name of the brother who plays guitar) with a acoustic guitar. Just jams. MOST UNDERRATED SONG "Freedom Someday"- This was the last song of the original band, before the record companies screwed it all up, and to me, everything was together here. This is CLASSIC LEVEL 42. Mark & Mike sing great together, the bass line is well, and the drums are straight in the pocket. The pattern change in the middle of the song is one of my favorite riffs of all time, and the lyrics are down. When I think of how much I miss the band, this is the song that comes to mind. BEST MARK KING HAIRDOO This catagory is a joke between my girlfriend and I who swore up and down that Mark looked better with longer hair, which for the most part I agree with. But the two that looks the best on him are the SAY video style (short and face-flattering) and the RITF video (longer, and musician-styled hip). BEST ALL-AROUND ALBUM "Guarenteed"- For me, this album ws a long time coming, and much anticipated. I got it the day it was released in America, and not one single song disappointed. It also came at a time when every song had deep personal meaning to me, so this one above all else is my fav. BEST ALL-AROUND SONG "Something About You"- This song is the L42 flagship for good reason, besides being their biggest hit in America, their big slash here, and my favorite video, it has got to be the one of the most well constructed songs in the rock era, and one of the classic rock ballads. This song never gets old or out-of-date, like "Unchained Melody" or "What a Fool Believes". It hits so hard because it is simple, the lyrics are universal, and it has a tremdous, haunting impact. Even if you've never heard of L42, and you've heard this song, you'll remember this one. The video is flawless, with the same unconfortable feeling the song leaves you with. There is so many things going on here you watch again and again just to take it all in. When I first saw it I knew then that L42 was not your "average white band' , and much better than the usual fare that I enjoyed during the '80s. Describing SAY is like describing the Mona Lisa, or "The Magic Flute", or the Taj Mahal, so I'll just smile :-) and say "WoW!" Well I hope you enjoyed my little rant. Please feel free to post back with your L42 "best of" lists. TCOY, Byrdman (P.S. By the way, this issue of "Bass Player" had several interesting L42 notes that might interest you. First, the inside cover have a new Trace Elliot ad with Mark in it. They also gave a good review to the LAW album. More importantly, there was an ad for a Trace Elliot "Bass Greats" CD, of which Mark King was included. The asking price was $9.95 (American), and I promise to get more details on it soon (see, so I wasn't lying about a new album, so there!)). ------------------------------ Subject: Of CD burning and track indexing From: Zak Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 20:00:08 -0000 >> Anyone ever tried to put indexes into one audiotrack. I have such CDs >> (really rare) and maybe this would be a good alternative for the >> impossibility to remove the 2 second pause. > >Even if your software allows this, how many people have CD Players that >support indexing? That's a very good point - I have a Pioneer CD player, one of the earlier ones I think (1985?); still works! :) It also supports indexing but I haven't seen it on any modern CD players. I do, however, have software that allows you to index tracks; I just don't think it's feasible. I say just leave the pause the way it is; I really don't think that many people will complain about it. :) --Zak "There's a hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is." --Douglas Adams, Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy