From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V97 #26 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 97 : Issue 26 474 subscribers Today's topics: LOZ's post Laurence Green did you know that... (part 1) Ernst-Jan van der Hee The 42-effect Konstantin Braticevic Hey, where'd that one come from... JennCyn Seattle Levelfest, revised JennCyn Re: Level Vegas Carl R. Mueller Avoiding the wake Jay Tracy Triathletes EMIKATIE Virtually no L42 items, except for writing "L42" Randall L Collins TODAY IS MY BIRTHDAY !! Juan Jose Piffaretti ------------------------------ Subject: LOZ's post From: Laurence Green <106265.1665 @ compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 08:54:54 -0500 Hello everyone, I'm back and this time its personal. as one door closes so other one shall Open, or is that as 500 people slam 1 door shot another one opens, anyway who cares. Apparently Polydor are hell bent on releasing but least some of the newly refurbished albums in March. There are three options, firstly to cram as much material, for example remixes, B sides, rare tracks etc on to 1 CD and include all the original album tracks. Secondly each album could be released as a 2 CD set the first CD being the original album re-mastered the second containing rare tracks B sides and remixes, if that was done for each album it could end up costing the fans a bomb, but who cares, this is level 42. thirdly each album could be released with its original tracks re-mastered and then a rarities stroke remixes double album may be released. Hence, I certainly wouldn't put the three physical presence tracks on any C D R as there is every chance that these three trucks will make the re-mastered album. I will probably be phoning Paul next week for up to the minute informatio. I hear a rumour that in books may be coming on line in the coming months, in is the chap who along with Simon Carson updates the level 42 hot line, his in depth wealth of level 42 knowledge will be greatly welcomed on the digest I'm sure. Anyway what with all this talk about auctions and that, he is a sample of my wares with two pages from level 42 the definitive biography Chapter for "the fortune hunter" three "I've got to go, or its all going to go wrong" Mark told his parents in March 1978. "I think he had to get out because all the old ladies were smothering him with coffee and cakes. He couldn't do his job, really" recalls Ray (Mark's dad). Mark bought the blue Bedford van he had used for delivering milk, registration number L U R 908 H, off Joe Butcher. With no knowledge of the mainland, the family were particularly concerned about London and the muggings that occured. As a precaution against this and the possibility of theft, Ray helped his son erect a curtain rail, complete with pelmets, inside the van. They also laid a foam mattress in the back for Mark to sleep on in case his sister couldn't put him up upon his arrival in the big City. "We made it like a little caravan. We put curtains around the back window and installed a partition behind the back of the seat," recalls Ray. As Mark set out on his great adventure with his drums and his Fender guitar in the back, the snow began to fall heavily Ray told him: "if things don't work out, get yourself back home. If your money has gone, phone home and I'll send you some. Don't stay there." That decided him when he was going through very rough periods, when he had to put cold water on his Cornflakes because he couldn't afford milk he said he remembered my words but he would not admit that things were going wrong. No way would he come back and say it didn't work. It drove him on." "when I look back, I think we must have been mad to let him go," admits Bridget (Marks mum). Arriving in London, Mark found himself being continually moved on by the police before he eventually parked up at Holloway. His sister, new to her job, was nervous of getting into trouble through his presence, either because of him parking their or staying at her flat. Says Mark: "she did'nt want to put me up, whichwas set enough on reflection. If she had done, I would probably have stood about and not been expanded to do anything. After three nights of being bitterly cold in the than I said to hinder that if I stayed in the van one more night I would freeze to death. If she let me stay on the floor of the flat, and promised I would get a job. I went out and found one the next day. I walked around all the music stores and was really taken by sounds and Rose Morris, as the people who worked there were too smart and to cool. I looked a mess by comparison. I then went to macaris at 122 Charring Cross Road and met the manager, Martin Daley. We hit it off straight away. He asked me what I could do, and I saw there were no drums around. I lied and said I was a great bass player and really handy at building things. I said I would do anything if he would just give me a job." His new found employment as a demonstrator and steady income provided Mark with the opportunity to move into his first London flat at 3 Cornwall Manshions, Blyth Road, Hammersmith, West London. It was a flat sharing block, and Mark found himself in the company of several Italians and a Colombian. Because off Mark's exceptional percussive mind, he was able to combine his lead guitar skills with the thumb slapping technique to create the rhythmic style on bass or which he is today renowned the world over. With no teacher to guide him, Mark avoided the bass player's popular finger style technique and standard working bass lines. Martin was particularly musical, and he and Mark would make tapes together which Mark would take home to play to his parents. At one stage he told them that he was forming a group called Axiom with Martin and another friend but it never came to anything. Well that's the first two pages off chapter 4., . I don't think try to type any more without exchanging copyright, which I have probably done already. Not to worry, anywhere distance some passages sounded daft that's because I voice typed it off: Banks and now for something completely different been box: Unfortunately I have now enrolled on my voice type software and so I will have to log in as another user before I can dictate songs incorrectly. Anyway if anyone wants to buy a book then just get in touch with me. The cost is still £13.50 for the U K and $28.50 for America anywhere else and you will have to get in touch with me. See you all later..... Loz ------------------------------ Subject: did you know that... (part 1) From: Ernst-Jan van der Hee Organization: GlobalXS Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:42:02 +0100 I had some free time and found some old newsletters from the fanclub and other L42-stuff and ... Did you know that ... ... Mike Lindup's favourite own recording is 'Children Say'? ... Mark King's favourite own recording is 'Take care of yourself'? ... according to a TV-interview in Holland King's favourite song is 'To be with you again'? ... L42's first golden record they ever received was in Holland for there first self titled album? ... the first 5-inch CD-Video released in the UK was 'It's Over' by L42? ... the first proper L42 CD-single was 'Children Say'? ... the guitar-solo on the remix of 'Children Say' is played by Mark King himself? ... this was the list of the favourite song competition in dec.1991 by the members of the Fanclub? 1. Something about you 2. Leaving me now 3. Lessons in Love 4. It's over 5. Hot Water See you for part 2! -- Ernst-Jan van der Hee mailto:ejvdhee @ globalxs.nl +-----------------------------------------------------+ | 'Freedom Someday, Are you ready to make the deal ?' | | | | Level 42 - 1987 | +-----------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Subject: The 42-effect From: Konstantin Braticevic Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:11:16 +0000 Hello! Beeing lurky by nature, I haven't posted any messages to this mailing list since I started receiving it some three months ago., but Mysterio 71's mail about songs "growing", got me started. I've been an avid fan for seven years (no pun intented...), and beeing a bassplayer as well, Mr. King has always been someone to admire. I've even managed to sort his "machine-gun" playing out, to the despair of my neighbours! > the other day, I got the "Forever Now" album for Christmas. At first, I > hated it. I listened to the songs wondering if they were made by the > real L42, but after a couple weeks, I underwent what me and Winston > call...The L42 Effect! The L42 Effect happens to me almost everytime I > get one of their albums. At first, I only like one or two songs, and the > rest isn't worth listening to. BUT, after several weeks of listening, I > end up loving every track on the album, listening to them non-stop. This > happened to me most in the "Standing In The Light", "True Colours", and > "Forever Now" albums. Does anyone else out there undergo the L42 Effect? > Winston and I felt we had to bring this out in the open. About the "L 42 effect". I've experienced the same thing with a majority of L 42's albums. It does take a while before one starts to get into the songs, which prooves the complexity of the material. That is also, I believe, the reason why the band never made it in the US, which is so important for european bands. They never even had a number one hit in their native England, simply because their songs are based on the verses, rather than the choruses. L 42 can build up an incredible groove, but more often than not, the choruses lack the immediate No. 1 ingredient. That is why it takes a while to start liking the material. Needless to say, I find their choruses wonderful enough, but I suspect that they never got their really big break due to their concentration on the groove. These are just some thoughts of mine, and it is of course impossible to say what makes a hit, although the idiots at Polydor thought they knew... Koko. [funny... I never thought of things this way, but I, too, admit to having experienced "the effect". I think the only album that _didn't_ need to grow on me (at all) was World Machine. Good thing, too, since this was the first Level album I ever heard, and had I not dug it immensely and immediately, I might not have gotten into them. As for choruses, I've always been particularly fond of the dual-chorus in Freedom Someday... -Eric] ------------------------------ Subject: Hey, where'd that one come from... From: JennCyn @ aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 13:49:41 -0500 (EST) hmm, just saw this slightly aged message of mine on the Digest this morning..... ;) > Subject: Seattle Levelfest, Chinese Way > From: JennCyn @ aol.com > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 20:52:04 -0500 (EST) > > From Joe: > (non-flame response about another subject, and the rest of the post, > deleted) Funny, I wrote that whole thing -- what, two, three days ago? Ironic that this particular one showed up late... ah well! Let's all settle back and feel the peace descend again onto the Digest... aaaaaah.... tcoy, Jenn ------------------------------ Subject: Seattle Levelfest, revised From: JennCyn @ aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) Well, folks.... now that the shit has really, finally, completely and utterly hit the fan -- what ARE we doing this week?! In the wake of it all, that old post of mine that finally showed up does look a little ridiculous. However, I do still think Star Wars is a good idea, I guess we just need to figure out when and, ah, with whom. Any and all input welcome. -- Jenn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level Vegas From: "Carl R. Mueller" Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 13:15:46 -0800 May I suggest the Palace Station Hotel for all us cheapskates ;-]. Winston, you're a genius (ha!). Hey Mikey, what do you think of this Vegas thing? Along the same lines, what does everybody else think? -- Carl **************************************************** * "Everybody's got to leave the darkness sometime" * * (cmueller @ inland.net) - G.S.- * **************************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: Avoiding the wake From: "Jay Tracy" Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:37:29 -0500 (EST) Shuf, thanks for speaking up. I clearly remember your defense of JP weeks ago, and especially with the recent goings on, and knowing you are a sane character, I questioned why you would do such a thing. Anyway, sorry you lost a friend, but he didn't seem like much of one. Good Pulp Fiction ref too. Also, can we just *never* compare Mark King to Phil Collins, please! Some of us just ate! ;-) And no matter what Joe P told any of you, he _doesn't_ know the size of my penis... (he for some reason thought he did) Loz! Come back! If mem serves right I think you said that March is a possible release date for the 1st set of reissues, we're now only (almost) a month away!!!! Any more news? ..jay jtracy @ bics.bwh.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Triathletes From: EMIKATIE @ aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:18:59 -0500 (EST) Are there any members here that are triathletes? The machine stops, John M ------------------------------ Subject: Virtually no L42 items, except for writing "L42" From: rcol @ ix.netcom.com (Randall L Collins) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:53:34 -0800 Welcome to the digest! From the email address you have I would say that you're a Monty Python fan, know I mean, nudge nudge? From a knight who says, "Nyeet!" > New Orleans has done a great job of being the 'offical' birthplace of > jazz...but if you REALLY look into it, jazz started right here in > Kansas City in the 18th and Vine district. Hmmm. Perhaps I should look into that too. Shawn writes: > Definately check out the Incognito stuff....awesome stuff. I have a couple of CD's by Incognito and somehow there tunes aren't quite as satisfying as L42. L42 seems to have more substance. Hope I haven't offended any IN fans but it's just my opinion. > If you're into some classic jazz with some moving grooves....try Flim > and the BB's...the "Neon" album is my favorite... Yes, Flim and the BB's is a very good group. My favorite CD is 'The Further Adventures Of.." This is also a group who sounds like no other. > Want some more stuff? Go get an Average White Band CD and > listen....great classic funk from a bunch of Scots....whodathunkit? Totally classic funk. A greatest hits CD would be a good start. AWB also did a double album (now on CD) of a live concert back in 1976(?). Their 15 minutes versions of 'Pick Up the Pieces' and 'Cut the Cake' should be in everybody's funk collections. Is Steve Ferrone a Scotsman? > What else....have you all checked out Jude Cole yet? Not sure who he is. What does he do? I have a question for everyone. I know this is an L42 rag but does anyone like classical music? Curiousity abounds. "I am Arthur, King of the Britains. Who lives in that castle?" Randall ------------------------------ Subject: TODAY IS MY BIRTHDAY !! From: Juan Jose Piffaretti Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:37:06 -0400 Yes, finally in my 18th birthday and I'm very happy, because this is my first birthday as a member of the Level 42 digest. I hope that the troubles between the digest members will finish soon, because this is not the right place to say bad things about other persons, this digest is like a hobbie, you must be relaxed an enjoy the jokes of the other members of the digest, and share important information about the band. Please remember ... "Love in a paceful world" Thank you for all the questions answered and thanks to the digest administrator Eric for doing an excellent job. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) GRACIAS AMIGOS !!!