From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V97 #199 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 97 : Issue 199 504 subscribers Today's topics: Re THE TUBE Bill Miller Remixes/Cover 42 II? Winman42 Bill's Project Marc_Dupuis A level convention in London anybody ! RiKmG A whole mess of bull Pat Flanagan Where's your thumb? Pat Flanagan VH-1 Savage42 off-topicness, blah, blah, blah :) JennCyn computer crash jeff mahoney give me art or give me death reply Boogievin ------------------------------ Subject: Re THE TUBE From: bmiller @ abbeywood.com (Bill Miller) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:18:49 +0100 (BST) TO TOM BROWN Tom, I remember the Tube with Jools Holland and Paula Yates but I don't remember L42 appearing, however do you remember L42 appearing on the Old Grey Whistle Test on BBC2?! Bill Miller BILLY'S GONE ------------------------------ Subject: Remixes/Cover 42 II? From: Winman42 @ aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Hey, ya'll, what's up? Hey Andre, I alwsy thought that the 'Hotwater' 12 single was remixed by Ken Scott? I do have that interview you mentioned with Mike, but I thought the actual record credited Ken Scott. Of course I'm probably wrong, but I'll check the vinyl. I do like a lot of the remixes, and I really hate some of them. My faves are the ones like Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind, where the song is extended and you can hear things not really noticeable before. (Like bringing Boon's great guiatar work up in the mix) I'm not to fond of the SHep Pettibone/K-Class remixes, but they do have a purpose. Remember folks, those type of remixes are tailor made for the dance floor. I don't ever listen to them in my living room, but I would really welcome them on the dance floor of a club. Heck the only Level 42 tune I've EVER heard in a club was 'Starchild' at Club Zanzibar in Newark, New Jersey. That's what made me purchase the 12" single, and rest is history as they say. Hey Doug, I do believe that Bruce Conrad is curently working on a tape that will contain songs by digest members, but not level 42 covers. Is Bill working on something else entirely? Also, I hate to admit it but, that Great original artwork on the first Cover 42 tape was created by Zal Nilsson, not me. Let's hear a big rond of applause for Zak!! Well, everyone have a great weekend. Winston ------------------------------ Subject: Bill's Project From: Marc_Dupuis @ MADISONUSA.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM Date: 18 Jul 97 09:23:26 EDT DOUG.WHITE @ Forsythe.Stanford.EDU wrote (referencing Bill Wilson): > is in the midst of doing a project by digest members doing songs that > sound 'like' Level 42. Whoa, my head must have been up my... um, in the clouds lately. Bill, have you started this project? I've got stuff, but it does NOT sound like L42, it's definitely noveau-prog (what the hell is that?) so if a L42-like submission is what's being asked for, I'll refrain from forcing my stuff on the masses. Otherwise, give me a shout! Thanks, Marc ------------------------------ Subject: A level convention in London anybody ! From: RiKmG @ aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:03:37 -0400 (EDT) How about someone organising a level 42 convention in London now that they have split ? We could listen to level all day long maybe hold it in a club? have a record stall,merchandise stall, etc, etc. I would only be too happy to be involved.Anyone like the sound of this ? ------------------------------ Subject: A whole mess of bull From: Pat Flanagan Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:36:26 -0400 I didn't receive digest #197 for some strange reason (Eric?), so I'm reading it off the archive right now, sorry for the delay in my reply. > So please before you "clear something up" be sure of it. Sorry, I was just relying on the liner notes of the Hot Water 12" that I have. Apparently, there's a remix I'm not aware of, unless it's the version of Hot Water that appeared on the US Version of World Machine. Thanks for chidingly pointing out my mistake. And sorry for misinterpreting what you said about Mark doing remixes, probably just a language thing, or blind stupidity on my part. I think our remix opinions converge more than you think. > Hey Sleepy, wake up ! OK, Mother. Shuf -- Congrats on getting married! RE: Tom Browns complaint about Suzuki Vitara posting Um, Tom, I'm rather offended at the blatant ad for British Sugar in your email address. :D RE: Mentos commercials I think Mentos commercials, while sucky at first glance, actually have a rather transcendent quality about them. After all, wouldn't the world be a better place if we could all freely express our brash creativity like the Mentos people do? Mentos allows them to do this, to release themselves from the restricting mores of our society, to do what needs to be done in a most efficient and creative way. Mentos, making our world a better place to live, one person at a time. Pat Flanagan Publishing & Design PO Box 281, Granger, IN 46530-0281 email: pfpd @ pfpd.com website: http://www.pfpd.com TOTALMEDIA PUBLISHING: Print * Disk * Interactive * CDROM * Internet ------------------------------ Subject: Where's your thumb? From: Pat Flanagan Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:00:59 -0400 Whoop, now I read digest #198 and realize THAT's the digest I was reading at the worldmachine.com archive. I'm in a timewarp here or something. So NOW I'm replying to #197 stuff. > I also wonder, based on your comment, how you have your wrist angled > when you hold the bass. And also what you're doing with your thumb > (do you hold it against the back of the neck or curve it around the > other side like a guitarist). I agree. When I played bass, I had some problems at first, because I hooked my thumb over the top of the neck, angling my wrist. Once I trained myself to keep my thumb along the middle of the back of the neck, I was fine. I broke my bad habit by applying a thin strip of masking tape along the center line down the back of the neck, making sure to keep my thumb in contact with the tape at all times (unless I absolutely HAD to cheat and hold down an E string note with my thumb over the top of the neck). Try it, it might help. Pat Flanagan Publishing & Design PO Box 281, Granger, IN 46530-0281 email: pfpd @ pfpd.com website: http://www.pfpd.com TOTALMEDIA PUBLISHING: Print * Disk * Interactive * CDROM * Internet ------------------------------ Subject: VH-1 From: Savage42 @ aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Hello all! Hey....was anyone watching VH-1 over the 4th of July weekend (Videos from A-Z)? Well..if you were at about 3 in the morning on Sunday was the letter "L" and , of course...Level 42-Something about you. Just thought I'd let you know. Later ------------------------------ Subject: off-topicness, blah, blah, blah :) From: JennCyn @ aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 00:19:58 -0400 (EDT) > First of all I've gotta start with a complaint. > > Just because you put a message like : > > ***This is unrelated to Level 42*** > > It doesn't mean you can write what you want !!! What the flip > was that crap at the end of digest 196 about a Suzuki Vitara > ???? Now, come on people, this ain't no agony aunt list. So, > can we keep to the subject please ? You know, this comes up every so often (most notably in a post from someone Who Shall Remain Nameless). The following text is stored at the Web page for FTE (the Fumbling Towards Ecstasy mailing list, devoted to Sarah McLachlan and her music), and I daresay it applies here. I think it pretty much says it all....... -- Jenn ____________________________ The Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists Every list seems to go through the same cycle: 1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls). 2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies). 3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up). 4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions). 5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed). 6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list). OR 6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after). ------------------------------ Subject: computer crash From: "jeff mahoney" <"jmahoney"@tpgi.com.au> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 15:25:08 +1000 hello, as i just discovered the level 42 digest my son crashed the computer. been down for a few days. to ian buck hope you got my e-mail. if not let me know. from australia... jeff ------------------------------ Subject: give me art or give me death reply From: Boogievin @ aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 02:43:46 -0400 (EDT) I totally agree! But it is true that the great composers have no choice in the matter, they must create, they're driven to it. Considering all the obstacles in the way, one must have a tremendous level of fortitude (i. e. inner self drive ) which probably says something about the rest of us shmuks! (sp?) Even Keith Richards said that he had no choice in the matter, he'd be playing in a smoky old club today if he never "made it" But we can all enjoy playing on some level. I know alot of closet musicians that are great players, and get a kick out of playing along to records or to a few friends in their close vicinity. By no means should one give up playing FOR ANY REASON! Think of how many great artists have picked up an instrument because it was in the house and their paernts messed around with it. (Paul McCartney, ETC.)