From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V97 #140 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 97 : Issue 140 499 subscribers Today's topics: Apology to JB / Count to 10 The Bassman Back w/ a bag of discussion topics dirk.vael Judas Silver Will Greer Oh No, not again. Winman42 As The Digest Churns Randall L Collins Shoes, Jukeboxes, PEOPLE READ THIS! Pat Flanagan Couple of things!! Bill Miller a little extreme - if ya' know what I mean. Sean D. Green RE:Martin Page, Levelfest & high school in the >> David Leslie Sigue Sigue Sputnik Jeff Grous Seattle Fest? Daniel James Re: Slapping in E & F Benedict Poole Drummers/flaming/etc. DonZipf No! Benedict Poole Judas' Silver lolita Martin Page, Model Friend, Judas Silver angelina rogero New Gary CD Jay Tracy reissues? etc. Mikep3099 Gaz, engagement, and guitars! Richard J. Reddick BRUCE is the hero! Richard J. Reddick Thomas -ZZZZzzzzzz Dan Merz ------------------------------ Subject: Apology to JB / Count to 10 From: The Bassman Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:36:11 +0100 (BST) Hiya Y'all Right - to start with I should say I've just read the post I made yesterday: re. Jason B and Heathrow. I think my message came across as rather harsh, so BIG apologies to Jason. I didn't make things clear. The reason why this apology is public is because previous message was public also. On reflection, I wouldn't be in this mess if I'd mailed directly. Let this be a warning to you all......! ************************************************************* [oops, this next bit got a tad long - sorry] ...And now onto this recent little squabble. A relatively new member of this digest has decided to post his first message. He may be new to those who have been 'here' longer, but this is irrelevant - he is a member all the same, and members are welcome to post articles. The content of these articles is for the poster to decide. I haven't got the time to read all posts relating to this issue, but I've skimmed Thomas' original post, and he has made some good points. Re: posting directly rather than to the digest over certain matters. I've fallen into this one (see above). 'Tis a fair point. It does have to be said that some things may well be of interest to others even if it's not aimed at them. This recent analysis of L42 songs is a case in point. I am not particularly interested in music theory, but the discussion has left me thinking about the music from a different angle. If something really doesn't interest you, try skipping over it for a few days. Things often die down. If things get out of hand (eg total digest dominace [perhaps on this very subject!] ) it shouldn't hurt to post to the digest gently prompting for a change in/ additional threads. I guess the key is _tact_. Another key is for others not to get too shirty when a new (or old for that matter) voice pops up and suggests something. Much of what you have said (original post #135) is fairly valid. Ideally, perhaps the topics of discussion should be as per your list. In reality though, this digest is rather like a group of people talking in a room. It's like a group of friends - topics of conversation go off at a tangent sometimes It may also appear to "lurkers" that you have to be a special member to post your contribution. This is just not true! Most of us don't bite....well not hard anyway. Please put your thoughts forward - new topics etc are always very welcome. Everybody out there - count slowly to 10...and to quote Thomas: "Peace" okay? I know we can all be friends. TCOY, Mark. Mark Tweedale mjt101 @ york.ac.uk http://www.york.ac.uk/~mjt101/ ________________________________________ / \ / @ @@@@ @ @ @@@@ @ @ @@@ \ / @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \ | @ @@ @ @ @@ @ @ @ @ | \ @ @ @ @ @ @ @@@@@ @ / \ @@@@ @@@@ @ @@@@ @@@@ @ @@@@@ / \________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Subject: Back w/ a bag of discussion topics From: "dirk.vael" Date: 20 May 97 13:56:23 Well, my dear Digesters: I'm not planning to make comments on a posting a few days ago about me and Gert 'Emmer' regarding personal notes on the Digest (although my middle finger was itching when reading it the first time). :-) I guess Thomas is new, and that's why I think I shouldn't be bothering too much. Everyone who's new makes mistakes by asking questions which are common knowledge for the die-hard Digesters, or makes remarks which are 'not really accepted' by the others. That's why he gets quite some credit from me, just because he's new. On the other hand, I still love all the guys, even if they flamed you. I was flamed too for sth I thought was innocent, but I didn't start flaming back... we're adult/mature/etc... See it from the other side: it's fun to have that many opinions! Now let's get prep another flame war: Live At Wembley 1989 CD: listening with headphones to it this weekend forced me to make the same remark as all previous times: THE SOUND QUALITY SUCKS, IT SUCKS! If you listen to APP (like I did for Lars-Ove :), or Dire Staits Live, then you know what excellent live recordings can be. Luckily my bro's boombox features live effex, which makes LAW89 almost as good in quality as APP. Any takers? Early Tapes CD: I think they should've omit the vocals on all songs, except Autumn, because they just sing like...euh... not too well. Everybody knows the instrumental songs, from Instrumental Love upto Gresham Blues, are ROCKING!!!! And ET features MK on bass like never 'again'. Anyone noticed that CD releases of early LPs always contained full length versions and sometimes remixes (ET, L42, POA), but from the first CD release onwards (SITL), they never did it again, with exception of the Platinum ed of RITF. Strange... And they should've had instrumental versions as flips of 7" es, not just edit album tracks. Instrum. Love & It's Over are the only ones I can remember of. BTW, how are the Digest CD projects (Live, Remix, few Gigs) going? Msg to John Mawer: seems like my mails aren't getting through? Try asking it on the Digest then, or send a msg to TX. ;-)))) Msg to Pete Johnson: did you like the AYGB disc ? Msg to ERiC: I have the same problem again as I had with my tapes I've sent you. Damn! Msg to Afzal: coming... Dirkies not really ambassador of Luxembourg ps: yes, I knew Sigue Sigue Sputnik too... ganz toll! ------------------------------ Subject: Judas Silver From: Will Greer Organization: Elmore's Tamale Factory Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:28:22 -0500 Randall: > It sounds like he is mourning the lost of his dad and how he wish he > could be more like him. I'm not sure about the 'Judas silver' part. > Any insight? Well, I'm not quite sure about the "silver" part, but I do believe that Judas is an archetypal figure representing betrayal, reflecting Judas' betrayal of Christ. -- -Will "This sesame seed is bigger than my head" ------------------------------ Subject: Oh No, not again. From: Winman42 @ aol.com Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Hey ya'll, how goes it? Elson, I really liked your simple Gary/Phil explanation. Simple and to the point! Lolita, just read the lastest issue of 'Movieline' magazine. Inside they have a great article called 'The 100 dumbest things Hollywood has done lately'. Guess what is at the top of the list? C I G A R S !! Just thought you would get a kick out of that one. :-) Thomas and everyone else. Please, please, please let's not let this situation get out of hand. Personal e-mails notwithstanding, I don't think anyone was trying to be mean, and if you have read this digest for more than a week, you'll know that sarcasm is a way of life here. We all recently went through a very tough situation with a Mr. Joe P. If you don't know, ask someone about it. Let's not repeat this mess. I would rather listen to non-stop MiniDisc/ATRAC/Music Theory/Bass discussuions, than read this kinda' stuff anymore. Yeah, I know - use the pagedown button!! :-) Let's all step back, take a breath, and talk about the band a little bit. Tcoy, Winston p.s. If I spelled any words wrong, I, uh, meant to do it!! ------------------------------ Subject: As The Digest Churns From: rcol @ ix.netcom.com (Randall L Collins) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:43:48 -0500 (CDT) Bruce and Ken: I just wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoyed reading your experience with Gary at the Jim Mullen concert. This is probably some of the best stuff I read in awhile. It's almost like I was there. It's too bad Mark is not very motivated right now to do something with his music. Maybe he's just in a mental lull right now. With two people approaching Gary with Level 42 questions, maybe SOMETHING might happen. Wishful thinking, perhaps. Still, there's HOPE!! Thomas Richmond: Remember, I was introducing you to my friends, but since you feel that you should have been on the list, OK: "Thomas, meet Thomas. He is also one of my friends." Me on other people's list? Maybe, maybe not. Have a nice day. :0 Winman: Moolah in the mail today. Really! Right, then! Randall "Tune in for another episode of...'As The Digest Churns'. ------------------------------ Subject: Shoes, Jukeboxes, PEOPLE READ THIS! From: Pat Flanagan Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:49:56 -0400 > I was wondering if someone coud shed a little light for me. I was > listening to 'My Father's Shoes' and I've always wondered about the > meaning of the chorus: > > "So take these boots like Judas silver > And all these sad reflections on lost untravelled roads > While the rain falls on a field of bones and roses > Give me back my father's shoes and let me walk in those" The first line's actually "So take these boots that shine like Judas silver." The lyrics tell the story of a man who thought he could do better than his father, finds success by being rather ruthless, then realizes that his father was indeed the better man. > Also, has anyone seen any L42 cds on any jukeboxes. I'm a bartender and > I want to add L42 to the jukebox. Give me some pointers here, would LB > be my best bet or should I choose something else. I'd suggest Level Best as the all-around favorite. Be sure to program some of the tracks into the "demo" play mode (if yours has it, that's the random shuffle of tracks that play when no one has made any selections). Suggested tracks: all except The Chinese Way. :D > Subject: BETCHA BY GOLLY WOW!!! Well, you said it there, Tom. I didn't really have any problem with your original post, that's why I tried to respond in an even handed way. I don't think that we're pretentious here. As with any group of people, there are some who take things very seriously (sometimes too seriously), and there is (are?) a myriad of tastes and interests. So, you'll see all kinds of things bandied about here (witness the cigar thread). You just happened to join us in the middle of some sidebars, that's all. But, as I'm sure you've seen, you've also joined us at a point where two digest members had conversations with Gary Husband, too, which is about as close to the band as we've gotten lately. So, you takes the good with the bad. Now, I just hope that your current post doesn't degenerate into a flamewar. People, let's not do this, ok? I totally know where you're coming from, Tom, but don't go overboard with it. When someone referred to you as "Joe," they were harkening back to a dark episode awhile back when someone calling themselves Joe Parrington was on the digest, continually flaming and belittling people. It ended up being a rather childish flamewar, of which I admit I was a part. That's over and done with, and I don't think your original post was anywhere close to Parrington level (though your current post is). So, there's my three cents on it. Pat Flanagan Publishing & Design PO Box 281, Granger, IN 46530-0281 email: pfpd @ pfpd.com website: http://www.pfpd.com TOTALMEDIA PUBLISHING: Print * Disk * Interactive * CDROM * Internet ------------------------------ Subject: Couple of things!! From: bmiller @ abbeywood.com (Bill Miller) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:33:00 +0100 (BST) Levelheads Firstly Randall, you mentioned the lyrics to "My Fathers Shoes" you will find that if you listen closely Mark actually sings: "So take these boots that shine like Judas' silver" A reference that Jewish people like their silver and that it is always clean and shiny!!! They are just using the words to describe how shiny the boots actually were!! Secondly a message to Zap (I believe he is on his travels at the moment) I have just listened to the AYGB CD in my car this morning for the first time it is absolutely F*!"$£>G brilliant. Thanks a million for bringing us this gem it is superb, I adore it!!!!! I reckon if this CD was sold commercially in the UK it would sell very well. Thanks again Bill Miller BILLY'S GONE ------------------------------ Subject: a little extreme - if ya' know what I mean. From: "Sean D. Green" Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:57:55 -0500 Dear Digesters, I am a little baffeled by the opinions that we are seeing arising from Thomas' comments and feelings about the digest. And, once again, we are seeing those who are quick to hop on the angry-mail bandwagon. It is obvious that we learned very little from the experience of J.P., yet some are so quick to equivocate Thomas' opinions to his. I know that it is difficult for some to not feel a need to 'protect' the direction of the digest, but some exhume only non-constructive and hateful behaviors. The way some people have taken such lengths to put Thomas down for what he said is beyond me. No, I don't agree with everything that he said about the direction which was suggested, but I really didn't think it was so important that I needed to be slanderous in my reply. And that's the whole point people!! Think about it -- all the guy was doing was making an opinionated suggestion / not trying to intentionally "ROCK THE BOAT." But, unfortunately, too many took it in that regard. Thomas didn't say that he was going to dictate the direction of the digest and the conversation. That is up to all of us, so let it be just that. People, I beg of you to let this go. Don't even breathe another word about it. Thomas is new to the digest, and his opinions - right or wrong in the eyes of others should only promote a communication of converation and consideration for these ideals and not the personal attacks that we have seen. I certainly can't blame the guy for sticking up for himself after some of those comments were made either. What a welcome that must have been for him. Here's a guy who ruffled a few feathers in stating an opinion and suggestion, but instead got a fist full of steel. I wish all of you the best, and hope that this situation will come to an end before it gets out of hand. ~Sean ------------------------------ Subject: RE:Martin Page, Levelfest & high school in the age of Regan From: David Leslie Date: 20 May 97 11:09:59 EDT Mark, Martin Page's first CD is a good pick up but it leans more towards some of the later Phil Collins' CDs (who BTW places drums on a few of the tracks) then Level 42. Martin's bass playing is solid but he keeps it tucked inside some heavy synth work. Hey is anyone planing on uploading some photos to the web from Levelfest for those of us who can't make it?!? Please oh, please! With the rash of films about ten year high school reunions (mine is in 'gasp' 1999) it is a major bummer that Level 42 didn't make any of the soundtracks. If it wasn't for Level 42, I would have gone musically nuts!!! At least one of the CD's had "The Jam" and "Specials" on it. David David Leslie CompuServe Quality Engineering Dleslie @ csi.compuserve.com 614-723-6340 M-F 9 to 6 Pager 614-590-7382 ------------------------------ Subject: Sigue Sigue Sputnik From: Jeff Grous Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:16:08 -0700 Heya's! Bobby writes: > I think Kim Wilde and Sigue Sigue Sputnick (anyone remember them - ha ha) > were there. Sigue Sigue Sputnik? LIVE?!? What'd they do, stand around and press buttons? HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Kinda like Kraftwerk live...HA! Ho ho and ha ha... HEE! What a crackup that musta been! Sheesh, now I gotta go drag out my SSS CD... I'm looking forward to the Vegas LevelFest and meeting some of my new friends- this is gonna be cool! -Jeff ------------------------------ Subject: Seattle Fest? From: Daniel James Organization: Mathsoft, Seattle Division Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:34:28 -0700 Hello all... A few months back, Bill Wilson & I got together briefly and discussed getting people here in Seattle together again. We'd kind of thought the weekend of June 6-8th would be good. Anyone else have any interest? I'd prefer Friday night, but I'm open to any other time over the weekend. Also, a note to the person who mentioned Still Life Talking -- I love Pat Metheny, particularly that album. Also, Secret Story has some great toons on it as well. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Slapping in E & F From: Benedict Poole Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:06:39 +0000 Hi all--bassy post I'm afraid... Mark wrote: >And then.......we come onto Heathrow. Now unless my CD players and/or >the master tapes are at the wrong speed, I say this is in F (ie one >fret up from an open E string. This is a bit of a bugger to play... Indeed! 'Heathrow' is a tad tricky at first, as it is in F. I remember my bass teacher showing it to me when we first went over slapping--'Love Games' came first, then 'Heathrow.' It was all about getting the interplay between your left & right hands going... 'Heathrow' used choking like 'Love Games,' but it's subtly different, relying on the left hand to dampen the strings. Not too bad once you get the hang of it... To other budding slappers (!), I'd recommend the following tracks, all of which were taught to me in bass lessons; they offer valuable 'tricks' for slapping, so's you can get past the octave thang, and really start to groove (once you've learnt, inwardly digested, and then plain forgotten so you can just PLAY!): - 'Run for Cover' by David Sanborn. Kind of bland jazz, but a mean bass by Marcus Miller (how come that guy smokes with others, but occasionally blows goats when he does solo stuff--e.g. 'Tales'?? And he looks like a spiv on the front cover...) - 'Rio Funk' by Lee Ritenour (again, MM) - 'This Ole World's too Funky for me' by Joe Cocker (yes, really!) -- I think the Crusaders supply the backing; my teacher loved them! There are some good licks in these songs, and they help get you out of that bass 'rut' that comes along every once in a while. Of course, a touch of 'The Machine Stops' always helps loosen the wrist (heheheh). Then there's 'Eyes Waterfalling' ... ouch! Try playing along with that one, especially the live version! Sorry to all the non-bassists for my rambling. Must toodle. Cheerio Ben -- ben @ flump.netkonect.co.uk benedict_rs_poole @ gb.coopers.com Chapman Stick #091, based in Westcliff-on-sea, UK ------------------------------ Subject: Drummers/flaming/etc. From: DonZipf @ aol.com Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Hi, all.... On Phil vs. Gary... G. Husband is a terrific drummer, and I particularly enjoy the new LAW '89 disc for the opportunity to hear him (and Alan) play live. But Phil's unique approach to drumming just stands head & shoulders above that of all other drummers, IMHO, regardless of their "chops" for the simple reason that Phil makes us MOVE! Gary never could get the hang of that trademark Phil Gould sixteenth-note high-hat groove with the accents on the wrong beats, hand-switching on the snare, etc. Maybe 'He just didn't want to!' But, if that's true, it was a stupid mistake. Gary's interpretation of "Love Games," for instance, simply doesn't measure up. On "My Father's Shoes"... Randall, I think that 'Judas Silver' refers to all the money they've made versus the meager living ol' dad got by on, honest sod that he was (anybody's dad). It's a guilt song! The song describes signing for that first bank loan to get a start, participating in the duplicitous world at large, and being successful. Dad just stuck to the simple life. I guess it's aimed at the 'middle-class' guilt so many folks feel for having something, when they get older and become introspective. Welcome to Bobby McClain! Have you seen "Fait Accompli" the Level 42 documentary? The lads visit New Orleans! > Mark had wanted to carry on the Level42 name, but Mike wouldn't let him, > since he owns half of it. Good for Mike! And, thanks, Ken for adding your version of the Gary Husband story. You know we can't get enough. Thomas Richmond. I don't know about the private e-mails you received (sounds like I don't want to know), but I thought Bill's posted response to you was a bit cheeky - not entireley serious. But you shouldn't be too surprised. Your post was, after all, a tad hostile in tone to begin with. I think most of us took it that way, even though you may have intended otherwise. I always try to proof-read my posts to make sure my meaning AND tone are clear - it's a quirk of communicating without the benefit of facial expressions or tone-of-voice. If you are perceived to be attacking something folks feel strongly about, like our beloved Level 42 Digest, you're gonna find yourself dodging verbal bullets. You seem to have done it again in your latest post: you've joined in the very behavior which you criticize! Christophe! Congratulations, you romantic old fool! :o) Don Z. I say again: "Love in a PEACEFUL World" people. Please, get it right! ------------------------------ Subject: No! From: Benedict Poole Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:41:04 +0000 OPEN LETTER RE: MAILING LIST POSTS! Hi Thomas and others. I think Thomas will find that Doug called him 'Joe' because his original post was reminiscent of those a chap called Joe Parrington made to the list. He was kind of ticked-off with the digest and decided to let off steam, with horrendous consequences; the digest went mad! And he just got more and more bitter with his posts. There are alarming signs that this is going to recur with Thomas' latest post. For the record, Joe wasn't a 'newbie' but someone who had been on and off the list for a while. Friendly advice: please don't let this happen again! It's largely irrelevant whether you feel you have been misrepresented. Sadly, with the limitations of this medium of communication, it's all too easy to sow the seed, and things can get out of hand. Perception is all! The L42 list is cool, as are the people on it. You've obviously received some way off-base mails, and for that I apologise, but I don't mean to be patronising or condescending when I say that we've all been there. I remember a few years ago getting involved in a really vicious 'on-line' discussion that started from something and nothing. It's really not worth it, but oh so easy to get drawn in! If I'm going to do a post that has a potential for controversy, I tend to write it and sit on it for a day, then read it again. I find that helps--I swear this isn't meant to be patronising, just friendly advice. The bottom line is that complaining about a list's content is pointless. The only things worth complaining about are those pointless 'me-too' mails and unsubscribe requests. Thankfully Eric does an excellent job of moderating, and these bandwith-wasters do not appear on our list. So, one and all, let's slope off, lick our wounds, and move on! Don't let the ghost of Joe Parrington resurface! Cheers Ben -- ben @ flump.netkonect.co.uk benedict_rs_poole @ gb.coopers.com Chapman Stick #091, based in Westcliff-on-sea, UK ------------------------------ Subject: Judas' Silver From: lolita @ interserv.com Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:41:07 -0700 About the Judas' silver line in My Father's Shoes: I may be a bit simplistic here, but it probably refers to the fact that Judas sold Jesus out for 30 silver coins, which was blood money [for those non-Christians out there, check out Jesus Christ Superstar (and by the way, why was Judas - the bad guy - the only black apostle in the movie? - Just Kidding!)]. The comparison probably is that 'walking in his own shoes' represents selling himself out; that he should have lived the life his father led. This becomes much more clear after viewing the video. BTW, does any other female here think that that's the best Mark EVER looked?! I've always lusted after Mike [except for the 'fro-daishiki-mustache phase] and my best friend loved Mark, but my God! He looked amazing. Since this digest is predominantly male, sorry, but too bad. Now you know how women feel most of the time. Later! Lolita ------------------------------ Subject: Martin Page, Model Friend, Judas Silver From: angelina rogero Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Regarding Bonneville Mark's comments on Martin Page, Yes, I do find "In the House of Stone and Light" to have a Level 42 feel, if not 'influence.' When that song was on the charts I loved it. Well, I guess that means if I heard it today, I'd still love it. Whenever I sing it to myself I start singing that little guitar riff in "Love in a Peaceful World" right before the "transmit and receive..." part. They just go together to me. For some reason, I'm remembering that there is some connection between Martin and Level42. Or am I thinking of some other band? Hey, no one besides Winston in private email commented on what they thought the meaning of the lyrics in "Model Friend" mean. Speak up! I think that "Judas silver" in "My Father's Shoes" has something to do with betrayal. The speaker feels now that he has betrayed his father by getting away from what he valued by being a being a banker instead of a factory worker. Judas was the disciple who betrayed Jesus in the story from the Bible. I'm not sure exactly what the silver stands for. Wish me luck on my last exam tomorrow! Angel ------------------------------ Subject: New Gary CD From: "Jay Tracy" Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Someone forwarded this to me, maybe worth checking out: > BTW, on the subject of Gary Moore, his new album, "Dark Days In Paradise", > will be out in the UK on May 26th (if any UK DGers can buy a copy for > me or trade for some tapes, I would much appreciate it!) He has Guy > Pratt playing bass on the album (ex-Coverdale/Page and Pink Floyd) and > ***Gary Husband on drums (ex-Lexel 42).*** I just received the first > CD single off of it, and I must say that I am really disappointed. ..jay jtracy @ bics.bwh.harvard.edu Copied from letter by: tiverson @ phx.com (Thor Iverson) ------------------------------ Subject: reissues? etc. From: Mikep3099 @ aol.com Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:12:51 -0400 (EDT) > ** Reply Requested When Convenient ** > > Man!! I didn't know that this was such an elitist group to such an > extent that personal attacks are used in retaliation to one voicing a > few constructive criticisms. GOD!!!! NO!!!!!! PLEASE, NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can we please not go here again? I'm pleadin'!! Nuff said.. L42 content: Last week I asked for one of you digesters in the UK to ring PCM, the guys former mgmt. co., to inquire about the remastered reissues. The only response to appear was some one that posted a number for Crockford and Co. with a London prefix. I appreciate this help but this number is no longer active I have come to find out after involving 3 operators, 1 US 2 UK, that this phone # is no longer valid. I ask again, could someone please contact Crockford's office and get some up to date info regarding the reissues, any further live albums from Crockford's World Famous label, current progress on solo or other projects by Mark and Mike (if either of them is still with Crock). If anyone does contact them, please ask if they have email and could send any new updates about the activities of the band members, back catalog activity etc. We hear from Gary that Mark is doing little musically at the moment but on the Nik Kershaw mailing list there is a report of yet another rumor in the press of Mark and Nik K. working on a project together. Anyway, If some one a little closer to that side of the world could make a call and get a little info for the group I am certain that we all would be greatful! LOZ, If you are out there please give us a sign. If nothing else, if some one could supply me with a valid telly # I would be willing to try and contact them again myself but would prefer to leave it to some one a little more *local*. Well, that's all for now, looking forward to some new, musically oriented, meaningful and interesting information and activity on this digest. Mike ------------------------------ Subject: Gaz, engagement, and guitars! From: "Richard J. Reddick" Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:27:36 -0500 (CDT) Hey all! (Fourth post and I'm already familiar!) Looking forward to the end of the school year... teachers definitely need it more than the students! I'm been reading the last several digests (I've been busy... more on that later!), and WOW! Hearing that Gazza is alive and well was great, thanks for your posts, Ken and Brad! Too bad that MK is chillin' on the music tip right now... we really could use him! I picked up The Remixes (import) about two weeks ago... sort of disappointed 'cos most of those tracks were on the "Conniseur (sp?) Collection." But it's worth it for the Tom Lord-Alge remix of THC, which I agree Christophe, is one of the most underrated L42 songs ever! I got engaged this weekend too! I chose Prince's "Holy River" for my theme song, and proposed on Austin's version, Town Lake. But THC did get played on the return trip! True enough, I haven't delved into the digest archives, but does/can anyone speak on who played what on SATS (Dom Miller vs. Al Murphy) and Guaranteed (again, Dom vs. Holdsworth)? Obviously, IYWM is a Holdsworth tune. Incidentally, I also have the import single for "Overtime," featuring ATGD--is this a Holdsworth b-side? I'm inclined to say it is... Are there any Jakko tracks on disc, or was he just during the Guaranteed tour? On the subject of Tom Lord-Alge, he is credited with either mixing or producing The Wallflowers' latest, Bringing Down The Horse. I quite enjoy it, any other fans? Oooh! I almost forgot! My record stores still have the old catalog releases (LB, WM, RITF) on the shelves, but can anyone confirm whether or not Polydor has rolled out the new dope? Last thing and then I'm out: As a teacher, I know some kids' sole pleasure in life is getting under the skin of others. To their victims, I simply say: "Ignore them. After all, it is better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and confirm it." That's all I'm going to say. Happy scrolling! *All right, I'm sorry... with the speaker thing, has anyone tried it (without destroying yer speakers, I hope) and discovered any "nuggets" that our boys hid in the stereo mix? Also, I'm considering compiling a list of greatest guitar moments in L42 history. Short list: TSGD (Boon's wah-wah thing is way too cool), HIMH TL-A Remix (Al's complete solo is unreal), and of course, IYWM (you can imagine Holdsworth and Gazza collapsing from exhaustion after that workout!). Any takers? Peace Rich (finishing the year in Houston, Texas!) ------------------------------ Subject: BRUCE is the hero! From: "Richard J. Reddick" Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:29:57 -0500 (CDT) Sorry! Bruce posted the Husband interview... sorry Bruce, take your props due. Great job. ------------------------------ Subject: Thomas -ZZZZzzzzzz From: Dan Merz Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 02:56:50 -0400 This is all I have to say about Thomas' last posting.......let's get talking some real issues here....... I was particularly interested in the Gary Husband interviews and enjoyed reading some updated information about him and Mark and what their up to these days.....Gary in my opinion has been for the most part underated by alot of members on this digest (my opinion) and needs no proving what he can do...... Any other new Level 42 information about the re-releases from Polydor? Thanks, Dan Merz "I wear my Ray-Bans............."