From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V97 #139 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 97 : Issue 139 500 subscribers Today's topics: The "Phil vs Gary" debate consensus elson trinidad L42 - heathrow The Bassman Cigars, Isle of Wight lolita Level drummers Randall L Collins Delta Boy 42-New Orleans,LA McClain120 ANOTHER EXCLUSIVE GARY HUSBAND INTERVIEW! Ken Meacham BETCHA BY GOLLY WOW!!! Thomas Richmond Martin Page MScore0696 about cigars and engagements eyesee communications ------------------------------ Subject: The "Phil vs Gary" debate consensus From: elson trinidad Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 03:23:41 -0700 > drummer and musician (relax, it's a drummer joke). As a new member, > can someone briefly give me a consensus viewpoint on the "Phil vs. Gary" > debate? To me, Phil is Level 42. The consensus: Gary Husband = Chops Phil Gould = Groove Elson -30- =========================================== Elson Trinidad Los Angeles, CA, USA elson @ westworld.com * http://www.westworld.com/~elson ========================================== ------------------------------ Subject: L42 - heathrow From: The Bassman Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:52:41 +0100 (BST) Hiya. Yesterday, Jason Bell wrote: > I had completely forgetten about that one ! Heathrow is in the key of > F, but doesn't rely on left hand slapping, more left hand damping. > There is a clear difference, and looking back on it something that I > should have said in my earlier posts. The actual slapping in Heathrow > is generated by the right thumb, the left hand only controls whether the > note is dead or is the glorious F. And as you point out Mark, is a > bugger to play. Indeed Jason - I never said anything (I dont think) about slapping with the left hand. I said that to play Heathrow in its proper key you have to finger the F and use the same have stop/dampen the note. All the right hand does (for all righty players out there!) is slap either a fretted F or a dampened string(but still fretted at F). I guess you just misread my post or something. I read things wrong sometimes too. Just happens. I guess I should have made it clear that I was fretting/damping with the left hand, and slapping with the right. Damn, that's two bass-related posts in one week! I really must try give it up. TCOY, Mark. Mark Tweedale mjt101 @ york.ac.uk http://www.york.ac.uk/~mjt101/ ________________________________________ / \ / @ @@@@ @ @ @@@@ @ @ @@@ \ / @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \ | @ @@ @ @ @@ @ @ @ @ | \ @ @ @ @ @ @ @@@@@ @ / \ @@@@ @@@@ @ @@@@ @@@@ @ @@@@@ / \________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Subject: Cigars, Isle of Wight From: lolita @ interserv.com Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 06:20:43 -0700 Hey All: I have been smoking cigars for almost 3 years [I don't smoke cigarettes because I sing]. I usually smoke one every three weeks. To me it's the equivalent of 2 drinks as far as the buzz you get, and if you get a good one they are very smooth. I prefer light leaf ones, and the length depends on my mood (get your mind out of the gutter!). I usually get a medium length fairly fat one - by the end of the long ones I tend to turn green because I forget to take shorter puffs since the tobacco is more concentrated there. I just had a Macanudo Portofino on Friday night; they are a bit thinner but very easy to puff away on. I will be bringing some cigars with me to Vegas for all of you who partake, and plan on buying some Cubans during my European trip next week. Speaking of Europe, I won't recruit any more for the Isle of Wight trip, but I will leave my number. I will arrive in London on June 3rd, and my number there is 171-730-7380. If anyone decides at the last minute they want to go, call me there. It is my friend's house, so messages can be left for me prior to that time if necessary. Anyone else I'm supposed to meet over the pond, the last day I have access to my e-mail is Thursday, so leave me a message at that number if worse comes to worse, and I will retrieve them once a day. Thanxalot. Lolita ------------------------------ Subject: Level drummers From: rcol @ ix.netcom.com (Randall L Collins) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:23:48 -0500 (CDT) Brad writes: > As a new member, can someone briefly give me a consensus viewpoint on > the "Phil vs. Gary" debate? To me, Phil is Level 42. I agree. Phil's minimalist-like drumming really helped define that L42 beat, especially when it's coupled with Mark's very distinctive bass style. It ALWAYS makes you tap your foot. Gary is also a good drummer. His style, to me, would seem to fit a style that more involved. More detailed. For example, the brief drum solo Gary does toward the end of 'If You Were Mine' is outstanding, along with Allan's guitar solo. That part makes 'Guaranteed' one of my favorite CD's. In fact, my detailed analysis of this start out.... > p.s. I'm just looking for an overview, I't doesn't have to be analyzed > to death! Uh..yeah...sorry. Um, Phil is Level 42. :) I was wondering if someone coud shed a little light for me. I was listening to 'My Father's Shoes' and I've always wondered about the meaning of the chorus: "So take these boots like Judas silver And all these sad reflections on lost untravelled roads While the rain falls on a field of bones and roses Give me back my father's shoes and let me walk in those" It sounds like he is mourning the lost of his dad and how he wish he could be more like him. I'm not sure about the 'Judas silver' part. Any insight? Right, then! Randall <> ------------------------------ Subject: Delta Boy 42-New Orleans,LA From: McClain120 @ aol.com Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Greetings to all!!! I've been subscribed to the list for about 10 days now and so far have really enjoyed it. You guys have really rekindled my love for L42 and brought back some really happy memories. I first heard L42 when I was an exchange student in Germany (1986) back in high school. They played at some music fest in Bonn. I think Kim Wilde and Sigue Sigue Sputnick (anyone remember them - ha ha) were there. Everyone only did one song. The L42 song that I heard was LIL. I was instantly in love!! LIL was No. 1 in Germany for about 3 wks I believe. When I came home SAY was already in the Top 10. I'm just really sorry that SAY and LIL were the only two hits to break the Top 40. WM, LMN, and HW all missed the mark as did HIMH, It's Over, and Tracie. Us Americans as a majority never have really evolved into a people of good musical taste, much to my dismay. As a comment on the religion/spiritual side of the band. Many of L42's song do have spiritual references (if I can call it that) in them. I believe that you can be spiritual and yet not be religious. I believe L42 is that way, I know I am that way. Also, has anyone seen any L42 cds on any jukeboxes. I'm a bartender and I want to add L42 to the jukebox. Give me some pointers here, would LB be my best bet or should I choose something else. Congratulations Chuck!!!! Good luck with Circus Wolfboy, Rob, I'm sending in an order today for my copy. I'm all in favor of supporting fellow digesters. Best wishes and lots of luck to you. I'm outta here! Bobby ------------------------------ Subject: ANOTHER EXCLUSIVE GARY HUSBAND INTERVIEW! From: Ken Meacham Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:37:48 +0100 Hi Folks, Exclusive interviews with ex Level42 band members are like buses! ... But hey, two interviews are better than none! :) Yes, I went along to the Jim Mullen concert in Southampton on Friday 16th. Can't believe Bruce was there too, and I didn't meet him (see digest #137). Never mind, I did get to meet Gary Husband, which was pretty unreal! I had a drink in the bar before the concert, and spoke briefly to the barman. He asked me why I'd come along that night, so I told him about Gary Husband who was going to play the drums and had previously been in Level42. "They were famous weren't they?", he said. He then went on to tell one or two folks about this, who came up to the bar. One of these guys just happened to be Gary Husband! :) The concert was brilliant, as Bruce said already. If you like jazz, then these guys are pretty amazing. Jim Mullen was very nifty on the guitar, with some great licks. He's got a strange style with his right hand. He plays everything with his thumb (plucking, not slapping!), a bit like flamenco players sometimes do, but with his other fingers planted on the guitar body. Anyway, it seems to work for him. I think I'll carry on using my plectrum... I thought that Gary was the star of the show, in fact, and that's not just me being biased. He was awesome on the drums, playing them in ways I hadn't seen before - on the sides, on the front of the bass drum, with and without brushes. He did several extended solos (losing his sticks occasionally, but still carying on). He obviously enjoyed the whole night, as much as we did. At the end of the show, I hung around for a while. Most people had left, but I wanted to try and talk to the band. Jim Mullen appeared in the bar, so I had a chat with him. Apparently, he had known Gary for years. Gary had played with him, before going off to play with Alan Holdsworth and later Level42. Jim was really excited to be playing with such talented musicians. After that, I went back to the stage, where Gary was starting to pack up (can't afford roadies now!). I congratulated him on an amazing performance, then started talking to him about Level42. I couldn't really believe I was standing there chatting to him about things that we could normally only speculate about! Gary said that he was really enjoying playing with Jim Mullen, and that he felt that this was now much more of a challenge to him (this jazz stuff is incredibly complex, and he kept them all together very well). Although he enjoyed playing with Level42, he said that towards the end, it was becoming a bit stale. He thought that it wasn't such a bad thing that the band had split. It seems like most of the band just wanted to call it quits, and make a fresh start. Gary told me that we had seen Mark King quite a lot recently, and that he was finding it hard to motivate him into getting something new going. Gary said that he'd actually recorded 6 tracks with Mark, but that no further progress had been made recently. Apparently, Mark had wanted to carry on the Level42 name, but Mike wouldn't let him, since he owns half of it. I didn't want to get too deep into depressing issues, so I changed the subject. I asked him about what he'd been up to musically. Gary said that he'd been with Jim Mullen for about a year. They haven't done a very extensive tour (Jim said they'd played together about once a month), so that would also help to keep things fresh. The Jim Mullen band have produced a CD (which I naturally purchased!), featuring Gary Husband, of course (I'll let you know how it sounds later). Gary also told me that he had played on Gary Moore's new album. Does this mean that Gary Moore is now exploring Jazz Blues? We'll see. I passed on regards from all the fans (to Gary and to Mark), and said that we were all keen for something new from them (whether it's called Level42, or not). He was very pleased to know that there were still so many fans out there. I wished him good luck with whatever he decided to do... I've been on a high all weekend after that. To put the icing on the cake, I went to a recording studio with my band yesterday, and we spent the day recording some of our tracks (at Bob Ross studios in Portsmouth). Could this be fame at last for the 3rd Day Blues Band? We had a great time, and came out with four professionally mixed tracks on DAT. Hopefully, we'll go in and do some more soon, so that we can produce our first CD! That's enough excitement for now. Time to scrape myself off the ceiling! Cheers, Ken. -- --------------------------------------------------------=================== | Ken Meacham | /| /| /| | | Parallel Applications Centre | / | / | / | | | 2 Venture Road | | | | | | | | | Chilworth | | | | | | | | | Southampton Phone: +44 (0)1703 760834 | | | | | | | | | S016 7NP Fax: +44 (0)1703 760833 | | | | | | | | | United Kingdom E-Mail: kem @ pac.soton.ac.uk | | / | / | / | | | |/ |/ |/ | --------------------------------------------------------=================== ------------------------------ Subject: BETCHA BY GOLLY WOW!!! From: Thomas Richmond Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:09:03 -0500 ** Reply Requested When Convenient ** Man!! I didn't know that this was such an elitist group to such an extent that personal attacks are used in retaliation to one voicing a few constructive criticisms. This response, is partly, directed at Zak Nilsson, (from whom I received a very indignant, condescending, and hostile e-mail...complete with one use of profanity), and Bill Miller whose letter was posted within these confines. First! For Mr. Miller. He wrote: "why criticize the other personal views of other members" I never criticized the opinions of other digest members. Evidently you didn't read my e-mail. I was simply referring to the extent to which the music theory subject had been discussed in the digest and the use of the digest for personal messages. I did not mention the discussions of Mini-Discs, speaker wiring, what key Mark play's in, and or anything else for matter. As a matter of fact, I endorsed these and feel I have a lot to contribute on many of the subjects written. "Get out a bit more, Take some drugs, have some sex with some women and get a life!!!!" Evidently Mr. Miller has a big enough ego that he felt my letter was solely directed at him. This is the only explanation I can come up with for the hostility and deep seated resentment that his adolescent retort contained. I could mention your sex life, (from the tone of your e-mail, you're the one that needs to get laid. And judging from the time of day you wrote it, on a Friday! just before midnight!, you need it pretty badly. Let off some steam. Make her call out your name. Or he? I don't know), but I wont get into that. I could attack your use of drugs and/or "acquiring of a life," (maybe you should lay off the joy juice or stop taking those drugs you were referring to, maybe you would become a bit more modest and "get a clue."), but I'm not going to mention that either. ~:-{) "Although I do have a degree and am mildly intelligent what did you mean when you said ""one that can be dissertized to the extent of anality"" You are a serious propellor hat." Want to talk about narrow mindedness, Mr. Miller? Only mildly intelligent?!? Ever heard of a dictionary? Use it! Furthermore, it is spelled *P-R-O-P-E-L-L-E-R.* (Oh! I thought this was an open forum as far as subjects are concerned? I thought we could correct grammatical, spelling errors, and sentence structure. I know! Let's talk about the use of a Transitive compared to an Intransitive Verb! Whaddya' say? Huh?) One phrase readily comes to mind when thinking of Bill Miller. "FULL OF CODSWALLOP!" I wonder: Mr. Miller can dish it out; but can he take it? I have addressed Mr. Nillson's mailing privately; as was his correspondence to me. I guess he chose not send it to this forum for fear of the embarrassment at writing such a rude and underserved attack. As for the rest of you, thanks for your feedback. (albeit sometimes sarcastic and misinformed) Most of your faulty criticisms of my mailing stems from your own admission of using the scroll button, (i.e. meaning you didn't read my entire letter or - in Mr. Miller and Nillson's case - you simply reacted to what was already lurking inside of you) And some of you took my *scrawling* way too personally, (though not as personally as Beavis and Butthead did), hence your responses. If most of you had only chosen to address me in such an eloquent, lucid, and friendly manner as Lolita, Pat Flannagan, and Don Zipf, I could be respectful of your criticisms. But, I must say Mr. Shofford, criticism is not always positive; as a matter of fact I'd venture to say that's an oxymoron. (No! You're a moron Thomas!! What an original retort! I SAVED MORE BANDWIDTH, Eric!!!) Most of you expressed resentment of a *new subscriber* complaining, (in Mr. Nillson's case *BITCHING*), or trying to dictate the contents of the digest. Well, most of you wouldn't have known that I was relatively new if I hadn't of said so; and besides, would your responses have been different if I began by writing, *I've been a member of the digest since it's inception and I have something to say?* I didn't know that veteran subscribers had a louder and preferential voice as opposed to newcomers. I am sorry. Tell me more about these degrees of subscribership. Are there interns, sophomores, subscriber guru #1s, or what? Let me know Vince Mora (along with others!). And furthermore if I *presumed* to *dictate* to others, would I have asked, *What do you think? Let me know?* Oh! and *BTW* Vince, surely you're not comparing *TBWYA* with *IMHO!* You know Vince, I Thought I was dealing with the issue by submitting the response in the first place. Sorry I am so naive, not to mention pretentious and insulting. (MAN!! I'd hate to see the reaction if I spat in your face or told you I slept with your wife or girlfriend.) Hey! Since were on the subject of sex, (Mr. Miller brought it up before), what sexual position would digest members wager the members of Level 42 prefer?? Let me know! 5 to 1 - Mark's gotta' be doggie style! *Here it comes again, chuggin' like a train!* (Open Forum!!) As for my comments on the religion issue, they were that and nothing more. Just adding my, (as most of you probably might think), *two cents to the pot.* (You have no sense Thomas!! Just thought I'd save Miller and Nillson a response and BANDWIDTH). It wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Hey! Why not take the risk and piss off 493 other people? I'll bet Nillson is a Knicks fan. God, I hate em' Can't stand em.' THEY SUCK! (Open forum!) Does this offend anyone? Hey Don Z and Nigel Collier, I love cigars too. My favorites are: Hoyo De Monterey Excalibur #3 Maduros, Don Lino Reserve (in the Humitube), Havana Sunrise Torpedos, and any Romeo e' Julieta (Cubans of course). One of my friends LOVES Don Tomas and he keeps them all in my humidor since he doesn't have one. (Thomas has friends?!? Nah! MORE BANDWIDTH SAVED!) I wonder if King or Lindup smokes stogies? Does anyone know? (Although I'm poking fun, I do indeed love the mentioned cigars.) (Man these Level 42 topics are ON!) (This is the BOMB!) Hey! I work with Digital Circuitry. I've just completed inventory of all the channel bank cards I could find in my storage closet. Anyone else work with em'?. We presently have 36 Wescom 829 Loopback Devices. We have Coastcom: 4wE&M 30045-002=15, 4WTO 30045-001=14, 4WE&M 33245-103=07, 2WFXO 30042-005=15, SDCU 30351-103=07, SDCU 30051-001=04, ASY DCU 30011-002=03, SYNC DCU 30036-001=02,SDCU 30351-101=05, OCUDP 30358-106=02, SDCU 30051-003=01, 4WTO 33245-101=01, 2WFXO 33242-105=08, 2WFXS 33242-104=01. Just thought I'd ask since I'm sure Level 42 has used a studio with an installed T1 for internet access. Loads of bandwidth! Eric J. Hansen, you know what I'm talking about! Oh and Hey! Doug White, my name is Thomas, not Joe. Remember it! (No! Thomas we've already forgotten! OOS,OOM! (Saved ya* more bandwidth Eric! ~:-{)) And Randall L Collins, I am not disappointed that I wasn't among your list of comrades. But then again I'm sure you're not either. You know, I'd be really surprised if Eric *doesn't* include this in the digest. I mean it was stated as a policy, *Do not post flames or other purposely hostile messages to the list. This includes obscenities, racist and sexist remarks. The mailing list is provided solely for the enjoyment of its subscribers, and not as a vehicle for personal attacks, confrontations, or antisocial behavior.* But other subscribers have done just that in response to my posting. Does obscenity equal profanity? I've seen it posted! and yet no one has been *permanently removed from the mailing list* for *failure to adhere to the stated policies* (Maybe these polices are directly proportional with the hierarchy of subscribership? If you've been a member longer, you can say whatever you wish!) (Thomas! You're definitely a MEMBER! Eric you gotta' love me! ~:-{) MORE BANDWIDTH SAVED!!!) Sure a retort on my behalf is in order! But in the end, maybe some of you are right when you so *candidly* pointed out that Level 42 have broken up and haven't had any output for a couple of years. That said with Bill Miller's *get a life,* should speak volumes to us all. PEACE!!! Thomas ~:-{| PS - By the way Eric, solely and behavior are spelled wrong in your e-mail to new subscribers and since it was probably taken off your web page, it's most likely spelled wrong there also. I love it! An open forum where pedantry, anality, sarcasm, and pretension reign SUPREME! ------------------------------ Subject: Martin Page From: MScore0696 @ aol.com Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Hey Levelheads, Who has listened to a song that came out a couple of years ago called "The House of Stone and Light" by Martin Page and detected some L42 influence? Is it just me or do others hear it as well? ..just wondering. { P.S. Yes, Phil is Level 42 } Bonneville Mark Toronto, Canada ------------------------------ Subject: about cigars and engagements From: "eyesee communications" Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:16:59 +0200 Hello Levelheads, Seems to me that all Level 42 fans are masters in "joie de vivre". I always like to say: nothing beats a good cigar except a good cigar while listening to a good L42 song (bad L42 are hard to find). Havana is of course top ! Actually, I'm considering to fund a cigar club. So if any of the rare Belgian-digest-cigar-smoking-members are interested, let me know. Second topic (non-romantic souls please scroll on): I got engaged last week, in a L42-related way. I have to share this story with all of you. As a surprise (we were 3 years together) I took Inge (my girlfriend, now fiance) for a weekend to Vienna. In the evening I sneaked out of the room, got dressed as a 19th century soldier and gave Inge a Sissy-styled dress. She first tought that we were attending a costume-party. Outside the hotel a white carriage with 2 white horses was waiting. Champagn on board, we made a trip in historic Vienna by night. In the Volksgarten (near the Burghof for those who know Vienna), I let the carriage stop and we went for a walk. There I proposed her (with as background, unfortunately not L42, but Schubert, there was an open air-concert going on), with two poems, one in Dutch, one in English. The English one is based on the L42 song Two Hearts Collide. I gave her an engagement ring with as inscription one sentence of the poem: 'Two Hearts Collide Beating As One' She said YES and I am the happiest man in the universe. I always liked THC, when SATS came out that song was my favourite, now it is burned in our hearts forever ! "A love so rare" TCOY Christophe