From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V97 #137 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 97 : Issue 137 503 subscribers Today's topics: Chuck and Tom's World Jason Bell Speaker hook up EMIKATIE Gary Husband Gig Review + News BHarfield AWB Pat Flanagan The Level42 Digest Collective Randall L Collins Average White Band Thomas R Harron Mark's voice N Collier Slap your 'E'! The Bassman Thanks to Winston and a message to Tom and Angel LOOOVE SLAVE A little satire, perhaps? Rob Kadel Non-L42 related post (gasp!) J Shuford AWB Brad Byers Starchild Remix on 45 rpm MScore0696 Of Cigars and Average White Band!! 7250 ------------------------------ Subject: Chuck and Tom's World From: Jason Bell Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 12:02:08 +0100 (BST) >Oh, BTW, my fiance's pregnant with twins. Wedding next month. > >Later, > >Chuck Whey hey. I get married next month as well. No kiddies planned yet though. Nice one Chuck. Good luck. And a quick message to Thomas. If you want a digest that has no content to it, I beg you to try Stickwire at the moment. It's all legal mishmash and a complete waste of time. Out of the thirty odd messages a day I get, twenty are from Stickwire, and two of those are useful information. The Level 42 digest is a God send. I can talk to other L42 fans, bassists and Chapman Stick players here and I don't get flamed for veering off the subject of Level 42. It is the common theme of the digest but it is not always talked about. Regards Jason Bell Email : xdr44 @ dial.pipex.com OR Jason.Bell @ PEmail.net WWW : http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/estate/xdr44/ Chapman Stick Player and a Member Of The HTML Writers Guild ------------------------------ Subject: Speaker hook up From: EMIKATIE @ aol.com Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 07:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Hi y'all, I read the things about the speaker hook-up and think I saw at least 3 different ways mentioned. Could someone go through it one more time? I'd really like to hear it but am fearful as was written by Pat: > WOW. All this talk about jerking with your speaker hookups got to me, > so I hooked the neg speaker wires together and put in my Resurgence > Forever Now. > > THANK YOU to everyone who provided info on this trick, especially the > caveat about watching the relation of power between the amp and the > speakers before attempting it. What's this about the relation of power...... One more time, please. Earth to Dirkies, John to Dirkies, come in please. The machine stops. John ------------------------------ Subject: Gary Husband Gig Review + News From: BHarfield @ aol.com Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 09:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Whoahh!!! The digest seems to degerenating into a bit of anarchy again at the moment. This time over a perceived lack of *general info* and news. Well I hope that I can dispell that myth a little today and give everybody a bit of NEW *generel info* to think about. I went to see the New Jim Mullen Quartet in concert in Southampton last night (16/5/97) featuring Gary Husband on drums and I was lucky enough to get the chance to talk to Gary in the interval and ask him a few questions. Read on... For anyone who doesn't know Jim Mullen is a jazz guitarist who once played in the Morrisey/Mullen duo for ten years and later played with members of the Average White Band on a solo project. The current line up of the Quartet is Jim Mullen on guitar, Gareth Williams on piano, Mick Hutton on bass and Gary Husband on drums. The Gantry is a tiny venue in Southampton, Hampshire, not much bigger than a (very big) living room. There was a crowd of just fifty people there last night which made for a nice intimate feel. The band played from 8.00pm to 9.00pm and again from 9.30pm to about 10.30pm. The stage setup was very small consisting of drum kit (unmiked!), Korg M1, Double Bass and Guitar with a couple of small amps. They played some pretty wild and busy original compositions and jazz standards such as "At The Mambo Inn". For any Level 42 fans who also like Jazz (and I know not all L42 fans are also jazz fans) it was a fantastic evening rounded off nicely by some incredible and lengthy drum solos by Gary. It was nice to see him play in a more "unstructured environment" than L42 with so much more room for improvisation and quite frankly, lots of showing off! Anyway, on to the more important part of what he had to say to me in the interval. The first thing I asked him was whether he knew anything about Mark Kings solo projects. He said that he had heard some of the tracks that MK has recorded and he liked them alot but that it had all gone very quiet at the moment. He said that it seems to be very difficult to interest MK in doing anything musically at the moment which he thought was a real shame. He knew that MK had had some knock backs in trying to get a deal for his new material and this along with the new family that he is currently enjoying has made him step back from it all and there seems to be no real end to this situation in sight at the moment. I then asked Gary what his plans were for the near future. He said that he was really enjoying playing with Jim Mullen and liked the band but that he was also currently recording with Gary Moore and seemed to suggest that a tour with him was likely. When I asked him what type of music he prefered to play live he said it had to be the jazz stuff (Jim Mullen, Alan Holdsworth, etc) because that had been where he had originally started playing, but also liked to keep the diversity. We then got on to the subject of the last few years of Level 42 and he said that he thought that when L42 finally split that the time WAS right and the the decision was definately the right one. I asked him if this was the reason that he had left the band a few years earlier. He quite quickly replied that it wasn't, and that he had been in the band for over five years by that time and that it was just time to move on to something new. For him, he said, the most enjoyable period was when Alan (Murphy) was in the band and it was really a great loss to all of them (obviously) when he died. I then asked him what he had thought of the Forever Now album. Wait for this - would you believe that he has never heard it ?!?!? I couldn't belive it. Finally, I asked him if he knew about the L42 Digest (something I've always wanted ask a member of the band). He didn't know about it and when I told him that people all over the world were still talking about him and the band daily after all this time, he seemed quite surprised. Anyway I've probably talked for far too long now, I hope this fills the gap a little .... Bruce Harfield, Gosport, UK. ------------------------------ Subject: AWB From: Pat Flanagan Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 09:27:38 -0400 > Does anybody out there know much about the Average White Band? Any fans? Average White Band kicks some serious ass. I'd say run right out to your nearest decent music store and pick up "Pick Up The Pieces -- The Best of Average White Band" on Rhino(?). It's got something like 16 tracks, not many klinkers. It's some serious funkin' stuff, and if you listen closely, you'll hear many little things that have been sampled to death in Rap & R&B songs (especially the intro to "School Boy Crush"). Pat Flanagan Publishing & Design PO Box 281, Granger, IN 46530-0281 email: pfpd @ pfpd.com website: http://www.pfpd.com TOTALMEDIA PUBLISHING: Print * Disk * Interactive * CDROM * Internet ------------------------------ Subject: The Level42 Digest Collective From: rcol @ ix.netcom.com (Randall L Collins) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 10:32:27 -0500 (CDT) Well, to put in my two cents about Thomas Richmond's comment about the apparent lack of constant Level 42 information on the digest, it's simply this. I think you can only say so much about them since, as Shuford says, they've been dead for nearly 3 years and have not put out any new material. It's a real struggle sometimes to discuss band stuff when there's no band to speak of. I can understand why people will bring up other topics related and non-related to the band. The good lord knows I'm certainly guilty of that and I have aroused the passion (or frustration) in many digesters with some of my topics! I'm simply one person, as with all the digesters (yourself included, Thomas), that has an opinion about all kinds of subjects. That's good. I believe if this digest was used to talk exclusively about Level 42, there probably wouldn't be many things to say. The digest bandwidth would probably be under 5K. So, let me say this. Welcome to the digest, my friend. Let me introduce you to some of my friends. I want you to meet, Zaphod, Lolita, JennCyn, Winston, Matthew, Eric, Angela, Shuford, Jason, Pat, Loz, Bill Miller, Bill Wilson, the Flying Thumb, Trillian, Sean, Nigel, Dirkies, Vince, DonZipf, Chuck, The Bassman, Byrdman (hey! Where IS Byrdman?) and on and on....(Sorry if you didn't see your name here). Now that you're introduced Thomas, JOIN US! We are like the Borg! You will be assimilated! Resistence is futile! Shuford writes: > Does anybody out there know much about the Average White Band? Any fans? I'm certainly one of them. I remember when they first came out. Everyone thought, including myself, that they were black. Scottish soul at its finest! I think a AWB greatest hits CD would be a good place to start. 'Pickin' Up The Pieces..The Best Of..' would be a good one to start out with. If you want regular CD's of them, I would suggest 'Cut the Cake', which has both their biggest hits 'Cut the Cake' and 'Pick Up The Pieces', AWB, a self-titled effort, and 'Person to Person'. I think these three will give you a good AWB base. Also, you might want to pick up 'Cupid's in Fashion'. I think this came out in 82 or 83. It still grooves but it's a touch more mature. Hope that helps. Right, then! Randall "There is too much butter..on...those...trays." ------------------------------ Subject: Average White Band From: traceguy @ juno.com (Thomas R Harron) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 11:36:39 EDT The Best Place to start with the average white band, is the double cd "Person to Person". This is all live and is some of the most Bottom heavy, pure funk ever. the use of two Basses on the song "Love Your Life" drove me off the wall!! If You dont have the dosh at that moment (probably because you cleaned out the L42 section) Get "Cut the Cake". Its a little more laid back that PTP but good stuff all the same!! ToMaZ ------------------------------ Subject: Mark's voice From: N Collier Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 17:08:04 +0100 > Fourthly has anybody noticed how close a resemblance the lead singer of > 80's/90's group Hue and Cry's voice is to Mark King's. COMMENTS His voice was richer and more powerful than Mark's. If anything, Mark's 'dry' voice reminds me of the lead singer from UB40 - similar accent too. "...friends all over the world, none in this country but all over the world" - Tony Hancock, The Radio Ham http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~nnac/ ------------------------------ Subject: Slap your 'E'! From: The Bassman Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 17:42:12 +0100 (BST) Right then, Hello! [Warning - bassist (and not racist) contents in message below] - sorry folks, I was trying to be witty by rhyming it with something. As a bassist, I feel I really just have to comment on this E thang :-> Playing the Love Games bass riff using the open E is dead easy (after practice!) The fact you don't have to fret the note means that your fretting hand can be located somewhere more useful [and I don't mean holding a pint of your favourite!]. In the case of love games, it can be located ready to play the D and E on the A string - ie further up the neck. The added advantage of this is that it is easier to 'stop' the string cleanly. And then.......we come onto Heathrow. Now unless my CD players and/or the master tapes are at the wrong speed, I say this is in F (ie one fret up from an open E string. This is a bit of a bugger to play - certainly not as easy as if you play heathrow in E! Playing technique is similar to love games, but in this instance you have to fret a note as well as using the same hand to stop/dampen it. I guess someone just got bored of playing in E! (quite rightly!) Sorry this has been a bit of a bass player post, though I guess some people might have found something interesting in it...well, maybe I'm just trying to kid myself! TCOY, Mark. Mark Tweedale mjt101 @ york.ac.uk http://www.york.ac.uk/~mjt101/ ________________________________________ / \ / @ @@@@ @ @ @@@@ @ @ @@@ \ / @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \ | @ @@ @ @ @@ @ @ @ @ | \ @ @ @ @ @ @ @@@@@ @ / \ @@@@ @@@@ @ @@@@ @@@@ @ @@@@@ / \________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Subject: Thanks to Winston and a message to Tom and Angel From: "LOOOVE SLAVE" Date: Sat, 17 May 97 10:33:47 PDT In the immortal words of our own Dirkies: Hey Headz!, I've been meaning to write you folks (I know you've been wondering where I've been (yeah right)) and share some of the things that have been going on both Level 42 related and not. But first..... Hey Thomas Richmond can I call ya Joe? Sheesh, I thought before a person could develop such an attitude about a mailing list one had to become familiar with the list. You know..familiarity breeds contempt, but then for Joe, er Thomas I guess he came in with loads of attitude. Nice.....chill for a sec Tom and maybe we'll talk some about what yer interested in, then again maybe not. God, I must be slowing down in my old age, I wanted to be harsher than this. On to other much more interesting stuff..... Well, I got the AYGB (oooo mysterious acronym) cover art that Winman and Lolita created and I think Jeff Grous contributed to and I just gotta say this really cool, just like the Cover 42 artwork, only I think I like this better. GREAT liner notes and the only thing left for me to do is get a clear platter for the CD so I can see the art work around the CD itself. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it, the people on this mailing list are the best. I also got some great tapes back from Winston that he recorded for me, so far I've listened to both remixes he did for me and I gotta say that ADSC remix, the Henpecked Horns remix, are stupendous, but so are the rest of them, its neat to hear stuff I've never heard before and knowing that are resources out there who are happy to help those of us who don't have all the cool CD singles, records and the promo stuff. That goes for Lolita, Winston, Dirkies, Mark Hughes the LevelADS guy, John the V man, Zap, BobC, Loz Green, Pat for his humor and of course Eric without whom we'd all be less fortunate. I know I've done this groveling and genuflecting before, but you gotta give kudos to the people who deserve it from time to time. Oh Angel, while I'm remembering.....you say Freedom A Go Go I say Whiskey A Go Go lets call the whole thing off....or better yet why don't you Bite Me A Go Go....hee hee, I kill myself. On that note, I'll think I'll go slinking off into the daylight. Have a great weekend. Doug ------------------------------ Subject: A little satire, perhaps? From: Rob Kadel Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Hi, all! Slapping in E: works the best, definitely, if you're in E, although you can definitely slap in A (or B on a five string) for obvious open-string reasons. However, in my band I slap one song in B on my four string, just on the 7th fret of the E string, and play a pentatonic B during the song -- much the same as Love Games, but a fifth higher. This song is also in the mixolydian mode, although I've experimented with dorian, ionian, and phyrgian as well. Iterestingly, when the tonic is played at the same time as the fourth or the fifth, you get a double-stop chord which really works well during some repetitions of the verse chord progression. Although it doesn't work during the bridge. 'Nuff said. I'm sure that makes sense to the couple of people I'm actually addressing this to. To everone else: you should read my dissertation on music education. I've got a combination of cultural capital, status competition, and class reproduction theories in there, as well as a great time-series autoregression analysis of student's music ability and math achievement over the last half-century. If anyone wants, I can post my B's, Beta coeffcients, and adjusted R-square to the list. Had a great time at my band's CD-release party on Thursday. Anybody wanna buy a copy? Check out our home page: http://brightideasgroup.com/cw/ BTW: Thanks Winston for the hats. IMHO, they're beautiful and everyone should buy 50. Thanks also to Vince, Matt, Randall, Lolita, Jen, Mark, Mike, Phil, Boon, Gary, Alan, Jakko, and of course, Stanley Clarke. Anyone ever notice what a great bass player he is? He's got this Alembic with a great maple and koa five-piece neck and gold hardware. Short scale length, though -- only 31", compared to Mark's 34" signature series. Both have good humbucker's however. Oh, and thanks to Eric for running the list for all of us. Do you ever notice how some threads on this list seem to be such a waste of time? Speaking of waste... ANYWAY, let's not go there. SHHH! Do you hear that?? That's the sound of us not going there! So U2 has this single on their album, SATS, not nearly as good as L42's SATS, but okay. I also prefer TBWYA, LMN, SAY, LIL, TCOY, 7D (not a bra size), POA, LG, WHYRULEAVING, FN, PL, PM, TWHM, and, HW. However, like most people, I'm not keen on TCW. Well, I've gotta run for now. Oh, BTW: Winston: I'm sending my check via homing pigeon and my return address via smoke signals. Watch for both! I'm not trying to be mean to Thomas, but in the spirit of good digest friendship, I thought maybe a little humor would brighten the mood. BTW: my girlfriend says I'm a nut. Probably true. Soapbox mode off -- eternally. TCOY, Rob ************************************************************************ Rob Kadel Department of Sociology Emory University Atlanta, GA 30322 (404)727-7510 http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~rkadel/ ------------------------------ Subject: Non-L42 related post (gasp!) From: J Shuford Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Just a short note to thank everyone who replied to my questions about Stevie Wonder discs a while back. My partner surprised me this afternoon when she brought home Innervisions and the new 2-disc greatest hits compilation. Great stuff! shuf John Shuford Department of Philosophy University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1295 (541) 346-1054 shuf @ darkwing.uoregon.edu ------------------------------ Subject: AWB From: bb007 @ webtv.net (Brad Byers) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 11:37:33 -0700 Shuf, I have all the Average White Band cd's. I would recommend the first - called "AWB" (1974) also known as the white album to AWB fans. This first disc seemed to have the most focus. This changed however when, not long after it's release, the founder and drummer Robbie Mcintosh died of a drug overdose (supposedly at a party where the punch was spiked). The second album - "Cut the Cake" is also very good, with session master Steve Ferrone joining the band on drums. They are currently on tour with Tower of Power (the Oakland stroke!). Brad in Vegas [I second the recommendation for their first album (a classic)... -Eric] ------------------------------ Subject: Starchild Remix on 45 rpm From: MScore0696 @ aol.com Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Hi Levelheads, I went to the local used CD shop today and picked up a piece of L42 on vinyl..45rpm that is! Side A is Starchild (Remix) and the B side is Foundation and Empire I. It's made in England and doesn;t require the little yellow snap-in cartridge for the centre. It cost me $5.00 Canadian...is this a good catch? They also had an import CD called Running in the Family (Platinum Edition). It had all the RITF singles plus 5 remix versions including SAY and WM. They're asking $32.99 Cdn. Just wondering if these two pieces are rare and if the CD is worth getting... any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. Thanks. Bonneville Mark Toronto, Canada. ------------------------------ Subject: Of Cigars and Average White Band!! From: "KAHAR, Kudsia (7250)" Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 13:48:57 +0800 ***those only interested in insights of level 42 stuff should pass on this!!*** Hey to Don Z. Cigars?? As a smoker these past 3 years, I had my first Havana a few weeks ago and LOVED it. Although I must confess, it was a Light Havana........ Hey to John Shuford, I first heard AWB in 1975 - my dad was responsible for that. Though only 5 yrs. old then, I liked them a lot. If I'm not mistaken, AWB were the original artists performing Pick Up The Pieces. Since then it has been done by others as well, but female saxaphonist Candy Dulfer brought it back into the charts a few years back. Here's to the freedom of discussing other than L42 stuff on the digest!!! "So many years ago, heroes ruled the world...." Kudsia Kahar.