From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest)
Subject: Level42 Digest V97 #135

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Level42 Digest                                          Volume 97 : Issue 135
                                                        505 subscribers
Today's topics:
   Blurb!!                                           Bill Miller
   4 new Level 42 MIDIs!                             Sean D. Green
   Speaker revelations                               Pat Flanagan
   Isle of Wight Excursion                           lolita
   Various                                           Randall L Collins
   New 'Presence'?                                   Julian Arnold
   Surfing surfers...                                BobC971
   More 'Presence'                                   Julian Arnold
   Sounding Like A Train?                            Graham Bell
   Discography                                       Lazlo Nibble
   Music                                             EMIKATIE
   Man made heaven...                                Benedict Poole
   Re: Level42 Digest V97 #134                       Anne Painter
   Level42 Digest V97 #134 -Reply                    Thomas Richmond
   Various                                           N Collier
   Moxy, etc.                                        JennCyn
   swing out 42                                      Konstantin Braticevic

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Subject: Blurb!!
From: bmiller @ abbeywood.com (Bill Miller)
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:46:49 +0100 (BST)

Levelheads

I haven't written anything for a few days so here goes with the blurb!

Somebody asked for Paul Crockford's number well....  Paul Crockford
Management is on Central London 0171 354 3414 - John Ward is a good
contact there he sent me a promo L42 double vinyl record at my request. He
is a good bloke!!! I think he is still working there.

Secondly I am coming to California (Santa Monica to be precise) for a 2
week holiday from the 26th July if anybody knows a good cheap car hire
place close by or has a contact in the industry please let me know!!! And
if anybody fancies meeting up to say hello!!!! Thanks in advance!

And thirdly (is this a scoop??) I have a 12" picture interview disk with
Mark King on the front that I picked up 5 years ago form a jumble sale
and wonder if anybody can tell me about it (sounds a stupid question I
know but it is badly scratched and I have only dared leaving the needle
on the record for about 5 seconds!!).

Thirdly a message to Dave Brown - your FREE True Colours CD went by
Swiftair Recorded Delivery on Tuesday this week. Anybody else want any
CD's

Fourthly has anybody noticed how close a resemblance the lead singer of
80's/90's group Hue and Cry's voice is to Mark King's. COMMENTS

Bye for now!

"All across the world there's people high on contemplation"

Bill Miller

BILLY'S GONE

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Subject: 4 new Level 42 MIDIs!
From: "Sean D. Green" <sdgreen @ flash.net>
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:46:02 -0500

Yes indeed!

Morgan has been nice enough to send me those four new midis, and they
are on my site now.  So...THANKS MORGAN!!

For those of you who have visited the site, I appreciate the comments.
Unfortunately, however, after having place the LIAPW-OSM  on the site --
only 1 member has commented on it.  Gee, all that effort ... ;)

Anyhow, for those of you who do stop by, please leave me a note to let
me know that you are from the digest. And by all means, let me know what
you think about the MIDIs in general!!  :)

Best wishes, and regards!

~Sean

*********** "The MIDI Extreme" ***********
* http://www.flash.net/~questps/midi.htm *
*** For the best MIDI files on the net!***
******************************************

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Subject: Speaker revelations
From: Pat Flanagan <pfpd @ pfpd.com>
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:25:16 -0400

WOW. All this talk about jerking with your speaker hookups got to me,
so I hooked the neg speaker wires together and put in my Resurgence
Forever Now.  All I have to say is, WOW, do the wiring trick and listen
to Model Friend.  WOW! You'll hear two SCREAMIN' FUNKY guitar parts that
are virtually buried in the mix (a 70's style wah-wah thing during the
verse, and the hard fuzz guitar during the chorus)! You'll also hear some
interesting buried backing vocals in Billy's Gone, and Don't Bother Me
turns into all percussion and backing vocals, with a very tasty piano
in the chorus! This is going to revolutionize the way I listen to music!

THANK YOU to everyone who provided info on this trick, especially the
caveat about watching the relation of power between the amp and the
speakers before attempting it.

Pat Flanagan Publishing & Design
PO Box 281, Granger, IN  46530-0281
email:  pfpd @ pfpd.com  website:  http://www.pfpd.com
TOTALMEDIA PUBLISHING: Print * Disk * Interactive * CDROM * Internet

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Subject: Isle of Wight Excursion
From: lolita @ interserv.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 06:38:50 -0700

Okay, now I'm getting down to crunch time.

I'm leaving a week from today for my trip, and I want to meet some of
you on the Isle of Wight.  There are three people who have already said
they will do it, but there has to be some more of you!  If anyone has a
last minute change of heart, my number in London will be 171-730-7380,
and it is my friend's house so messages can be left for me anytime.
I will actually be in London from June 3rd on, so I will call you
back then.  The excursion will take place Saturday afternoon June 7th.
All you Brits who can make it, please come - it will be loads of fun.

Lolita

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Subject: Various
From: rcol @ ix.netcom.com (Randall L Collins)
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:03:02 -0500 (CDT)

To all digesters:

OK, did anyone see Spice Girls on Letterman the other night? (I'll leave
it at that).  :0

I would still like to get my hands on any rare DJ mix or home mix of
Level42 songs. Anything floating around out there?

I was looking at the back of my WM CD at the picture of our boys in
their fashionable garb and thought to myself that this would make a
great poster. I think this is my favorite group picture of them. Does
anyone know how to go about enlarging a picture like this or knows of
someone that can do that kind of work? I would be curious to know what
everyone else's favorite group picture is.

Right, then!

Randall

"Would you care for a rat?"

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Subject: New 'Presence'?
From: "Julian Arnold" <jarnold @ farallon.com>
Date: 15 May 1997 08:26:55 -0700

Hi guys,

Yesterday Dirk wrote:

> And any news/details on the APP 97 release ??

What's this about? IS there a new version of this disc coming
out? (distinct from the work of John V. and Friends?) I just have the
CD with the 3 missing tracks (sniff, sniff!!)

By the way Dirk, that MGF is a nice car, are they expensive in Luxie?

Julian.

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Subject: Surfing surfers...
From: BobC971 @ aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:54:27 -0400 (EDT)

Charl wrote in yesterday's digest:
> I totally agree with this! HIMH, IMHO, when it comes to ENERGY is
> TOPS. This has gotta be the most energetic L42 song I have ever heard! It
> plays through my mind whenever I am speeding down the face of an 8-ft
> wave at 100mph, ripping the wave to pieces (surfing, for those of you
> who does not know what this means :) ). Makes me feel at the top of
> the world!!!!!!!!

Wow, I thought I was only the surfer here!!! Any other shredders out
there?  Where do you live Charl?

BobC

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Subject: More 'Presence'
From: "Julian Arnold" <jarnold @ farallon.com>
Date: 15 May 1997 09:01:14 -0700

Hi again guys,

Sorry about the mutliple mails, I'm playing catchup. I viewed the CDNow
website and called up Level 42's offerings and here's the tracklisting:

1. Almost There
2. Turn It On
3. Mr. Pink
4. Eyes Waterfalling
5. Kansas City Milkman
6. Follow Me
7. Foundation And Empire
8. Chant Has Begun
9. Chinese Way
10. Sun Goes Down (Living It Up)
11. Hot Water
12. Love Games
13. 88

Now, I presume all they sell at CDNow are CD's right?, right! so then
does this mean there maybe a new CD (or 2 pack) with the controversial
missing 3 onboard? interesting eh?

Eric wrote:

> [gee, I'm glad he didn't use a "canned response"... -Eric]

Why Eric, I thank you for your time and effort. Please don't forget to
mail your coupon for a free gift and by the way, all major credit cards
are accepted just call 1-800-HARD-SELL.

Jules.

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Subject: Sounding Like A Train?
From: "Graham Bell" <Windy5 @ msn.com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 97 16:37:12 UT

Hi all,

I've been reading the digest for about 8 months now and this is the first
time I've managed to actually contribute. I've been a 42 fan for about,
well ages!

I'll have to agree with the coment about Hot Water sounding like a
train. The general beat does! I mean, the man himself even says it.."Here
it comes again, chugging like a train".  If it's good enough for Mark
it's good enough for me, it must therefore, be the law!

Whilst I'm typing, I'll add my praise to Sean's midi extreme site, it's
a cool collection for 42 fans. It's fun to steal the Level 42 tunes and
improve them :-)

Oh, and if there's any McCartney fans out there...Flaming Pie is flaming
excellent go get it!

Graham Bell

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Subject: Discography
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <lazlo @ swcp.com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:01:27 -0600 (MDT)

> Where can I find the latest discography on the band?

Updated today:

  http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?level.42

There's a link to it from Synth's page as well . . .

--
::: Lazlo (lazlo @ swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)
::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists

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Subject: Music
From: EMIKATIE @ aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:08:59 -0400 (EDT)

I've been following the further adventures of the musical theorists
and just wanted to add my two cents worth.  I usually listen to
music with my ears and sometimes eyes when simultaneously viewing a
music video.   I don't need a freakin chalkboard to enjoy the music.
(Oh me, of little mind.)    By the way, I have a favorite uncle whom
I've played euchre with and we have this joke that after every hand the
"proper" way to have played gets discussed by him.  No way have we ever
played the proper cards in the proper order, even if we win the round.
We used to joke that we needed a chalkboard to illustrate every play.
Even now, when one of us has to explain something, the other jokes, "let
me get the chalkboard."  (You have to be there to get the full effect).
Enough with the ongoing jousting already!!!!

On another note,  I just saw a Tears For Fears video and it says that
the band management is:  Paul King, Paul Crockford and Paul Darwin.
I don't recall ever seeing this info in the digest.  I mean, isn't
Paul King, Mark Kings, brother?  And we all know who Paul Crockford is.
Let's do a tree.  Let me get the chalkboard.

Dirkies,  come in please!!!!

The machine stops.
John

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Subject: Man made heaven...
From: Benedict Poole <ben @ flump.netkonect.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:01:20 +0000

Hi all--I won't harp on this one, as I know some don't appreciate
religious discussion! However, could it be that in the lines 'Man made
heaven and man made hell...' L42 are examining heaven & hell as human
constructs, e.g. our notions of heaven and hell are ideas we need to
be able to define the philosophy of a particular religion? It doesn't
mean they don't exist, simply that they are ways of making it easier
for humanity to understand God/Allah/Buddha, whoever.

But maybe I'm talking out of my arse.

Ta ra!

Ben
--
ben @ flump.netkonect.co.uk	benedict_rs_poole @ gb.coopers.com
	Chapman Stick #091, based in Westcliff-on-sea, UK

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Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V97 #134
From: Anne Painter <tish4155 @ cobweb.net>
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:35:41 -0400

Levelheads:

I just received the "new" Physical Prescence.It is NOT new, NOT new,
Same old CD WITHOUT the 3 cut songs.  I'm going to bitch up a storm.
Talk about false adverts.  I'll let you know the results.  Assholes.

Keith (not Anne)
Stingray

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Subject: Level42 Digest V97 #134 -Reply
From: Thomas Richmond <thomas.richmond @ wcom.com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:47:44 -0500

** High Priority **
** Reply Requested When Convenient **

May I Have Your Attention Please:

Listen, I am a new subscriber and I guess I was expecting something
different.  I don't mean to sound like an ingrate, but I have to say this.

First:  It is my opinion that Music Theory or any other *formal* topics,
(i.e.  one that can be dissertized to the extent of anality or cannot be
taught through correspondence), should be kept to an absolute minimum.
If the need is great enough, you can e-mail each other on the topic.
Everyone's e-mail address is provided within message content.

Second:  If  the subject pertains to a private venture or a simple thanks
is order, send a personal e-mail to the appropriate party.  This is
mainly direct at *Gert Emmens* <Gert.Emmens @ cito.nl and "dirk.vael"
<dirk.vael @ ArthurAndersen.com.  I have no idea what your topics are
related to and, hell!, I don't know what *TBWYA* is let alone *a.d.s.c.*
*To Be With You Again* maybe?  (That wasn't much bandwidth was it?)
One shouldn't have to guess.

I was under the impression that this forum would be utilized for: personal
insights on lyrics, songs, and band members, relative news, references,
gatherings, releases, *general info,* and making acquaintances other
enthusiasts.  A *treff punkt* so to speak.  Once contact has been made,
any correspondence, other than that especially for the masses, I feel,
should be made via e-mail, land line, cellular, post, homing pigeon,
smoke signals, or whatever.

Out of the past 10 digests  I've received I have felt that around 25% of
the content has been pertinent.  Does anyone else agree with this?  Or
am I out of place?  Let me know what you think.

As for the religion topic.  I don't care if Level 42 are Heaven's Gate
members or Greek Orthodox ministers - I am a fan.  If one is concerned
that there's hidden meaning or an agenda in a song's lyrical content
then that person should shut off their TV, radio, burn all their
books and software media and move to Antarctica, without any sort
telecommunications.  I simply am not that susceptible and, or, gullible.
I'll bet that if you played *Staring At The Sun* to twenty different
people, you would have twenty *vastly* different interpretations.
This is precisely why artists like Seal and Gary Numan have expressed
no interest in what received, (or should I say *perceived*), messages
their songs' lyrical content evoke in people;  even going as far as not
printing them at all in Seal's case.

I love their songs and I have my own impressions of their content;
it's OK to discuss them, but I think some of us are taking it a bit too
seriously as far as it's power over the masses is concerned.  It is
possible. But, if you have diabolism in mind, look towards something
a bit more ubiquitous, like the news or a weather report for instance.
You just might find it there.

Words are indeed powerful, but the music itself is omnipotent, singular,
and pure.

Peace.

Thomas  ~:-{)

thomas.richmond @ wcom.com  *or*  zardoz1 @ ionet.net

PS  - Soapbox mode still on.

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Subject: Various
From: N Collier <nigel @ east-cheam.u-net.com>
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 00:37:11 +0100

> Rob, I don't want to sound bossy or pedantic, but can I clear some
> things up.  A lot of the early 42 material was in E, mainly because (my
> theory here) it's easier to slap a bass in E,

Hi everybody (Hi Doctor Nick),

I've been away climbing mountains for the past week and am just catching
up on my Digests (and recovering from a 40 foot fall which left me
battered).  Did Mark play the open 'E' a lot because it lends itself
well as a repetitive, percussive 'filler' to fall back on as you play
other non-open notes?  In which case, isn't it harder to slap in open
'E' because you have less control over the note?

> jdoody @ microsoft.com
> "Winston Churchill was a secret bogier"

"What? He had them in a bucket that no-one could see?"
"Keep this very quiet, but the bogie that Winston had that was as big as the
Titanic, was in fact the Titanic!"

> Forget who, but someone said that they didn't think that the members of
> Level 42 are religious. Well, listen to Mike Lindup's 'Changes' and you
> have to believe Mike does. Most of the songs are spiritual in nature,
> at least I think so.

I have to kind of agree with this.  I've been listening to Changes a
lot recently and it really has a very strong spiritual theme to it -
whether this is a, per se, 'religious' message or just Mike's typical
'be nice to eachother' message, I'm not sure (is there a difference?)

Regards,

Nigel
"...friends all over the world, none in this country but all over the world"
- Tony Hancock, The Radio Ham
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~nnac/

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Subject: Moxy, etc.
From: JennCyn @ aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:47:11 -0400 (EDT)

> I've seen Moxy Fruvous discussed here before, so I figured I'd pass
> along this concert info.

I know I mentioned them here once.... it was when I heard them insert
part of "Hot Water" into the middle of a song medley.....  (That's one
reason to like the guys, eh?  :)

> For all you Boston-based Moxy Fruvous fans, I just picked up a flyer
> at HMV Records announcing their concert at The Paradise on 5/15/97
> [Obligatory Level 42 tie-in:  this is the club where Level 42 played
> during their RITF tour... there's a "Boston Gig" bootleg available for
> the show, and on it Mark remarks that the layout of the club is "wacked".]
> On 5/16/97, they're appearing somewhere in Harvard Square, probably
> outside of HMV.

The one time I've seen Moxy live was in NYC at the Bottom Line.  (pile on
the irony with a trowel....)   If I'm remembering correctly from the L42
FAQ -- which I haven't been able to access in ages, btw -- the Bottom
Line was one of the first, if not *the* first, place L42 played in the US.
Anyone know for sure?

> The flyer says this about the band (which is worth reprinting regardless
> of *which* band!)...
>
> :: The Octopus (Champaign, UL) says "... they sound like the Roches meet
> :: XTC at a party thrown by Camper Van Beethoven for Robyn Hitchcock's
> :: marriage to Cole Porter with They Might Be Giants as wedding band and
> :: Tom Lehler acting as minister, but just as everyone starts singing old
> :: Queen songs the party is crashed by the entire cast of the Muppet Show.
> :: Moxy Fruvous is that good."

The really scary thing is, I think that's the best description I've
yet heard.  :)

> By the way, I've never even heard this band...  any reviews so I can
> decide whether or not to go?

Moxy Fruvous puts on one of the most entertaining shows I've ever seen.
Go.  Period.   If you want a more verbose reason, I'll write you an
email, because I can't really confine a decent description to just a
couple sentences..... suffice it to say it's VERY much worth going......

---

In other, slightly-more-on-topic news, this past weekend in Berkeley
I bought a copy of Turn It On, the M best-of, Thomas Dolby's The Gate
to the Mind's Eye soundtrack, and -- brace yourselves -- a promo copy
of a Chinese Way 12" single w/three remixes.  (I can hear the cries
of horror now! :)  A bit of advice:  never listen to that thing in one
sitting.... after twenty minutes, even if you liked it to begin with,
it does tend to become Chinese water torture instead.  ;)

-- Jenn

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Subject: swing out 42
From: Konstantin Braticevic <konstantin.braticevic @ swipnet.se>
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:58:09 +0000

I'm sitting here, enjoying a Swing Out Sister album from 1987, called
IT'S BETTER TO TRAVEL. As I read the inner sleeve of the CD, a few well
known 42-names pop up in the "thank you" section:

John Barclay
Gary Barnacle
John Thirkle
Jakko

My question is: could it be "our" Jakko? (They didn't print his last
name...)

"Oh my god, it's full of stars!"

Koko.