From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V97 #1 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 97 : Issue 1 458 subscribers Today's topics: Re: JOE Christopher LUKER Parrington gets sssssaucy Vince Mora Uggggh...loz Laurence Green Vshort message Laurence Green Does Joe work for the UN ? Jason Bell Please Miss, Can I talk about 12 String Basses ? Jason Bell Joe's diatribe N Collier Leave It! the copse Re: Digest #365, Joe P's comments NYMZ Well, happy frickin' new year. Pat Flanagan Ok, Joe Pat Flanagan LEVEL 42 SINGLES: Marc's Reply pattonse catching up EMIKATIE Three Singles...and More J Shuford LEVEL 42 LEAD SINGERS: Glen's Reply pattonse LEVEL 42: All She Wants Lyric pattonse Waiting for my "life" to come in Jay Tracy Mile High Level Fest ByrdLvl42 Some fanboy questions ByrdLvl42 This Year Will Be Different!!!! Lazlo Nibble Re: recent heated discussions Steve Robson ------------------------------ LIST ADMIN NOTE: Let's *move on* and drop the issue of Joe Parrington's post from a few days ago. Anything useful on this topic has already been stated, so if you need to read it again, use the list archive resources (see footer of the Digest for info) and review the past few digests. I've already stated my opinion and I stand by it. If you're not interested in reading something, either ignore it or unsubscribe from the list. -Eric eric @ worldmachine.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: JOE From: cluker @ worldnet.fr (Christopher LUKER) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:22:04 +0100 > CHRIS: The Digest becomes diluted and unfocused when the majority of > it's content is not about, in some way, Level 42. Who is this Joe guy? The majority of this digest's content is in some way about Level42. Which is more than I can say about Joe's postings. Happy New Year!!! Chris. ps. Keep up the great work Eric! ------------------------------ Subject: Parrington gets sssssaucy From: "Vince Mora" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 05:42:48 -0700 (MST) And on the sixth day, Joe spake: > You were all too ignorant it seems to grasp what I was saying. Did you > think I was just going to sit back and listen to all this bull this > morning and NOT reply? Oh GOD is this amusing. It appears you couldn't simply wave your holier-than-thou attitude across this list and makes things all perfect, doesn't it? Funny how that works. > It appears that this is in fact not al Level 42 Digest, but rather a > nesting place for insecure unintelligent people (those of you who don't > apply, excuse me) to feel some sort of pseudo family atmosphere that > obviously they are not getting in *real* life. Whatever your perception of what the Digest is, you are sorely outnumbered in your outlook. I suggest you learn some simple respect for your fellow netter. Do you regularly stand up in a class or seminar and say, "you people all are really PATHETIC"? What do you think their reaction might be? Do you think you'd feel welcome from that point onward? > ELSON: A good sign that I will have to move my IQ down a few notches to > > JASON: If you think I need to put up posts in order for my complaint to > > NIGEL: Loz publicly displays his dirty laundry, so I therefore have the What happened to your own idea of *taking it to email*? How can we take you seriously when you abandon your own suggestions? > ERIC HANSON: What the hell is your problem? You are the administrator > here. Try showing it by being objective, impartial to what someone might > post, and DO NOT insult me by calling my post "a brewing masterpiece." "A brewing masterpiece" is about as low-calorie a flame as one can receive. You're offended by this? You should try Usenet sometime, it'll probably traumatize you. > That was out of line and shows me you have alot to learn about the tact > and responsibilty your job entails. Um, do you have a clue about the kind of work administrating a mailing list entails? Eric is giving up tons of time and effort, solely for our benefit. I suggest you not take him for granted. > EVERYONE: It leaves me in awe to discover that those of you that > responded spent less time listening to what was said, and then decide to > accept it or not, and spent more time verbally assaulting me. Again, the replies were quite tame. You should try picking up the pieces of your endearingly bruised ego and read what THEY said -- there were a lot of good points made by people who know a lot more about how mailing lists function. > Level42ish, rather than Level42youish or me-ish. I guess for me to > relate to some of you, I would have to have the "laptop" mentality where > I have very little of a real life, and find friends and comfort through > a bunch of information highway strangers that I will never meet. You can project onto people here whatever misguided image you want. All it does is show your ignorance and capacity for pre-judgment. > Once again, my theory that the majority is ALWAYS wrong shines brightly. Let's give him a big round of applause! What a wonderful little world you live in, Joe. Maybe someday you'll learn that reality is quite different. In the meantime, don't insult yourself by continuing to subject yourself to the "insecure unintelligent majority" on this list and just unsubscribe ... you're obviously not happy here. No one is forcing you to stay. But make no mistake, you've ruined your chances for being taken seriously. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vince Mora http://www.swcp.com/synth/ L42 Home Page voice: USA: 505 332 0139 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Your words did have an impact on me. They reminded me that there really are people who have so little to do that they must peek in bedrooms and beg for the opportunity to be disgusted in order to feel a sense of accomplishment." -- James D. Legg, legg @ ee.tamu.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Uggggh...loz From: Laurence Green <106265.1665 @ compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 07:45:55 -0500 Hi Everyone, Joes post made me feel sick. Joe, why dont you just lighten up. Why has the digest suddenly become the most important thing in your life. Why the need for this 'post mortem' into 1996. Obviously YOU didnt read any of the replies. The main point being we just dont need comments like yours, do you really think now that they have done more good than harm? You have needlessly created an atmosphere because of your 'dictator' like style, and whats the crack with pretending your some sort of literary giant. People are entitled to their views, and most people view is that the digest is great and 2 of your last three posts 'suck' big time. I never thought someone could warrant ejection from the digest after 2 posts but this Joe is coming close, whats the crack with rubbing it in that he has a girlfriend and I dont, thats just pointlessly hurtfull, written with the sole intention of uppsetting someone as much as possible and thats awful, in fact its on a completely different plane from me saying I know something I cant tell, which I presume was a refrence to the 2 further songs I said I couldnt disclose a while back, well, I couldnt and now I have done. Dr. Svunersvang and Kick in the head, the point is, I was told not to disclose those songs, so I told the digest all I could ie that there were 2 more songs I couldnt mention, and that is not teasing. I will now set the record straight, this isnt boasting or teasing its a fact. Without sounding boastful I dont think it would be wrong to say that taking all into account I am one of the top 20 UK fans. I know just about all the main Uk fans one way or another, (S. Carson, L.Harding, J.Shirt, I. Buck, A.Ferguson and others.) I get up to the minute information from them and the management team (Pete and Paul) but the fact is that you cant just ring Paul up on speck and ask him tons of things because he just hasnt the time or he wont tell you if he doesnt know you. I havent phoned him for over 3 months, and for Joe to say I probably bug him is unfair (yes Joe, they probably werent your EXACT words), because he has always been incredibly helpful when I tell him I am looking for information from the digest. So that is why I tend to tell the digest that they/we/i are/am lucky to get this information, because it is genuinely true. You or anyone else 'really' couldnt get the information from Paul because to put it truthfully the fans who work for Paul know more than he does. Hence the point I am making is that when you say I am 'teasing' and saying I am the only one who can contact him, I am really VERY excited because I know the information I have got hasnt been released to anyone yet and most UK fans dont even know it and have little chance of finding it out. I have followed Level 42 for ages and I am lucky to be in the position I am and that is good for the digest. So if I hadnt have got the info the digest wuold know about the forthcoming RCA video with unreleased footage, they wouldnt know, and probably would go the rest of their lives without knowing about the tracks Morning, Nothing More To Say, Night Train. SO what I saying is yes, Joe, despite what you said, you could not have just picked up the phone and found this stuff out, Its not that easy you know. I know for a fact that people like Janet Shirt who has the largest collection of live tapes in the country doesnt know about the video release, and doesnt know the names of half of the rare tracks. So consider yourself lucky Joe, I do. Anyway to be honest I think me writing this letter is just going through the motions, to sum up I DONT want to be offensive, but I thought your posts were poor, hurtfull, completely uneccesary, thoughtless and pathetic. My opinion Joe, which I am entitled to. And inparticular yesterdays post was an outrage. Hopefully that is the last I will say on the subject. Phil is not duel nationality, he lives in London, but like all 4 members of the band has worked for long lengths of time in France. Sorry for off topic posting. Yours.... LOZ ------------------------------ Subject: Vshort message From: Laurence Green <106265.1665 @ compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 07:52:37 -0500 > Did you think I was just going to sit back and listen to all this bull > this morning and NOT reply? Actually Joe, we really didn't care. ------------------------------ Subject: Does Joe work for the UN ? From: Jason Bell Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 13:04:57 -0800 > JASON: If you think I need to put up posts in order for my complaint to > be valid, then you must be a subscriber to the MTV Choose or Loose bull > too. Your hostility, a long with the others that responded venomously, > help prove my point that in some parts of this country, groups of select > students were deprived of being taught reading skills. Probably a > goverment cover up. I have founf (typo - found rather) that when someone > can't deal with another person's opinion they have to attack the person > and his or her viewpoint, rather than state their own. Much like the > Darwin nuts that feel the need to make fun of the Jesus fish. It is sick > and venomous, and shows an empty person. Yes, all that from a bumper > sticker? You bet your ass! Joe, I'm still trying to figure out the type of person you really are. To say nothing for so long, then expect some form of positive reaction to a posting that basically slags off everything that the Digest is here for : THE UNITY OF LEVEL 42 FANS. So WHAT if we don't always talk about Level 42. > No wonder the Digest sucks. Just look at the quality of folks that post > on it: And you're calling us childish and student-like. Ahem, look again. Joe, if you feel that strongly about it, then GO AWAY. I never thought I'd find someone who can send email to people and give them a good slagging because their typing isn't up to scratch. Just who do you think you are? I'm not to sure what ELSON, NIGEL, DIRKIES, LOZ, SEAN, CHRIS, JAY, JOE or ERIC will post back to you, but I think it'll be slightly more in depth that what I've said. One last thing Joe, could we all (yep, 460 odd of us) have a Resume, to prove to us why you so wonderful and the rest of us are so crap. I can't wait for this one. Now I think my spelling's okay. At the end of the day, you only get out, what you put in. Many thanks. Jason Bell. xdr44 @ dial.pipex.com ------------------------------ Subject: Please Miss, Can I talk about 12 String Basses ? It doesn't involve Level 42, sorry. From: Jason Bell Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 13:19:53 -0800 Marc writes: > Yeah, 12 string basses are impossible from a technique standpoint (I > don't think we'd ever find Mark with one), but in some cases THE > SOUND... If you haven't seen King's X live you really are missing > something. Doug's 12 string creates an enormous foundation. These > dudes are amazing - beautiful harmonies, great sound from only 3 guys, > absolutely NO sequencing for you purists! I really like that album > (just titled "King's X) with "Germany" - what a stomper that tune is. > Gotta see 'em in a good room tho - a couple of times I saw them in less > than ideal acoustic settings and it took something away from them. They > were brilliant at The Sting in New Britain Connecticut, but kind of > muddled at The Strand in Providence. Thanks for the info Marc, Other lovely exponents of the 12 string bass. Doug Wimbish used one in Living Colour for the album 'Stain'. Also the bassist out of the Allman Brothers (Allan Woody) has a Modulus Graphite 18 String. It's a six string bass but in with another two octave strings. He says it sounds like a mandolin or like the sky's falling ! If you want the major 12 String Hamer player, it has to be Tom Pettersson from Cheap Trick. Jase the Bass ------------------------------ Subject: Joe's diatribe From: N Collier Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:21:11 +0000 The first e-mail was frank but reasoned and made in the best interests of the Digest by someone who wanted to see it improve. The second was breathtaking in its presumption and superiority and made by someone with a huge chip on his shoulder as a final "up yours" - and Joe, you work in the media?!? It's a pity that you're not more even-handed and eloquent at putting your points across, because you do have some valid points but your condescending and pious attitude is drowning out your message. > the moment you've all been salivating for... There are those of you > that were looking *so* forward to my reply. Sick You're flattering yourself Joe, I doubt if anyone was really interested in a response, surely with your rich, full and balanced life you have better things to do than get embroiled in an argument with a petty pseudo family like the Digest. Your latest epistle doesn't really deserve a serious reply, and most people will give it a dignified wide berth, but I'd hate you to imagine no response to this bile-filled nonsense meant that you'd hit the mark with your chillingly accurate observations and now we were all smarting and licking our wounds - nothing could be further from the truth Firstly, there is nothing 'sad' or 'pseudo' about a community spirit on the Internet and such things, I can assure you Joe, are not replacements for 'the real thing'. If you'd been involved with some of the activities on the Digest then I'm sure you too would get a kick out of genuine people putting in time and effort for eachother. I doubt if any of us are here to "find friends and comfort through a bunch of information highway strangers that I will never meet". This is a childish and narrow-minded way of viewing the Digest community (maybe some of us will discuss this next time we MEET at a LevelFest), you should try taking a wider, less pessimistic view and maybe you'd see more clearly that there are some very talented and intelligent people here who share an interest - even you share the same interest so come aboard, don't ostracise yourself with glib and demeaning comments - you'll miss out on a lot > I have found that when someone can't deal with another person's opinion > they have to attack the person and his or her viewpoint You said it. No doubt there was a large element of truth in your first e-mail and many of us agreed partly with what you were saying but I would suggest it's you and not Eric who has "a lot to learn about the tact and responsibilty" > If you spent less time with Crock and complaining and teasing and > rambling, and more time with your relationship, you might actually have > a wedding to make boring Weak, tasteless and cheap, "you have indeed shown your True Colours" > A good sign that I will have to move my IQ down a few notches to > communicate with someone is when they use words like "Homeboy," "Dude > Chill," So it wasn't you who wrote, "And dig this". Like it or not, some people speak differently than others which adds to the Digest's appeal. Are you trying to tell us what colloquialisms we can and cannot use? What did you make of Tucker I wonder, I'm still not sure he was speaking English, but whatever it was, many of us liked his postings. > I try not to pick corn out of terds Was that Oscar Wilde or Noel Cowerd? A witty, sagely and erudite musing... only you spelled turds wrongly - and you called other people unintelligent, what was it you said about going back to grade school? > Once again, my theory that the majority is ALWAYS wrong shines brightly Joe, just take a second to think about what you're saying here - this is the most self-satisfied, egotistical statement I've ever heard - we'll put this on your Digest epitaph lest we should forget. Goodbye. Nigel ------------------------------ Subject: Leave It! From: the copse Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 14:11:35 GMT Hi everyone, As a lurker, I'd just like to say what I've observed from the last few days' events. Although nobody agrees with the original posting, and still less with the follow-up (I particularly enjoyed Eric's witty reposte) and we all feel the digest is great, at least JoeP has succeeded in facilitating Eric's third reason for the existence of the Digest - who could say we don't have a sense of community now? Please let's not dignify one immature malcontent with the honour of another flamewar - we've all been eloquent enough already. So - back to the matter in hand - Level42 - good or what!? Cheers The Copse (Hi Jase) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Digest #365, Joe P's comments From: NYMZ @ aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:47:37 -0500 I agree with some of the comments Joe made, and disagree with others. I don't think the digest is awful, and if we stuck only to Level 42, I believe the digest would lose some of its warm, friendly quality. I like hearing from others who have the ability to appreciate Level 42's musicianship about what other bands they like. See, unlike the average pop music listener, I like something challenging (not to be read abusive) and interesting to my ears. It's difficult to find bands that can do that. I think it's good to know that someone else who has enough musical background to appreciate the details in much of Level 42's work also likes Wang Chung or Scritti Politti. I also like to know about other bands I haven't heard, but might like, from people who have similar tastes and abilities. I have a tendency to agree that the comments about lost loves seem out of place, but I don't mind reading about it. Just like with television, if I don't like it I can change the channel (skip it). I feel for anyone who is in that situation, but I don't understand what is behind wanting to share it with 400 people most of whom don't know you. However, just because I don't understand it doesn't mean someone else can't do it. It causes no harm. I have never experienced Loz, or anyone else on this digest as teasing. Sometimes I sense tremendous excitement, and that's a joy to read! I also did not experience anyone as authoritarian until I read some of Joe's comments. "Cut the crap," and "You see, myself and another prominent person on this Digest..." (like the rest of us are UNprominent?). I think the direction to go, is with the flow. If someone wants to get a good Level 42 discussion going, then do it! Bring something up! If it's interesting to enough people, a dialogue will begin. If someone wants to mention another band, do that. If no one is interested, then no one will reply (or visa versa). I think Joe has gotten me thinking about this issue, and I appreciate that. It's obvious that he cares about the digest or else he wouldn't have mentioned anything! Happy new year, everyone! ------------------------------ Subject: Well, happy frickin' new year. From: pfpd @ pobox.com (Pat Flanagan) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 11:30:54 -0500 (EST) I was going to keep my mouth shut, 'cause Lord knows I've put my foot in it before, but give me a frickin' break. Here's my spin on the now notorious posting: Joe, you've posted like maybe three times to the digest, including your diatribe. Yeah, only a small percentage of people are posting, so they drive the conversation. You want to send the conversation on a certain tack, open your mouth (like you did, and very well, I might add, with the "singles" posting -- and like you did, and very crappily, with your diatribe). Loz and I have had our differences in the past, but GET OFF HIS CASE. He's contributed a lot more to this digest than you have. If you have info that you've brought down from the mountain, then spill it. Who's doing the teasing here, Joe? Oh, this is for you, Joe: LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42 LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42 LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42 LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42 LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42LEVEL42 There, now I've single-handedly increased the percentage of times the band is mentioned in this digest. This will help to decrease the percentage of "off-Joe's-topic" postings. Finally, here's the email message I thought about sending you privately, but I decided, hey, I'll post it to the wrong place: Sounds like you're ready to start your own digest. When you do, let me know. I might subscribe, though I kinda prefer the well-rounded discussions we have in Eric's digest. Oh, and how many postings have YOU made to the digest? Ok, I'm finished. Call me what you want. Just like you can ignore the stuff you don't want to read, I'm going to ignore any flames launched my way. :P > Silence features Mike. You can't go changing lead singers. Just ask > Mike and the Mechanics. The only US hits they had featured Paul Carrack > on vocals. AAAAAAAAAA. Sorry, wrong, no soup for you. All I Need Is A Miracle, there second release and first #1, featured Paul Young (a different one than "Everytime You Go Away" Paul Young -- where'd he go to, his stuff's GREAT) on lead vocals, Paul Carrack on backing vocals. Oh, by the way, Joe, you shouldn't mention Mike + The Mechanics here. This is a Level 42-only digest. Pat Flanagan Publishing & Design PO Box 281, Granger, IN 46530-0281 email: pfpd @ pobox.com website: http://www.pobox.com/~pfpd TOTALMEDIA PUBLISHING: Print * Disk * Interactive * CDROM * Internet ------------------------------ Subject: Ok, Joe From: pfpd @ pobox.com (Pat Flanagan) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 11:46:37 -0500 (EST) I made my previous posting before I read the latest digest. Now, I've never said this to anyone on the digest before, and I know I'll come off as high and mighty by saying this, but: Joe, go away. Unsubscribe, PLEASE. Speaking for myself, I don't want you here. It's obvious we aren't the group for someone of your stature. Go start your own digest for high-minded people who "have a life." As for me, I'm happy where I am. To everyone else on the digest, thank you for making this the best music-related email digest I've ever read. Pat Flanagan Publishing & Design PO Box 281, Granger, IN 46530-0281 email: pfpd @ pobox.com website: http://www.pobox.com/~pfpd TOTALMEDIA PUBLISHING: Print * Disk * Interactive * CDROM * Internet ------------------------------ Subject: LEVEL 42 SINGLES: Marc's Reply From: pattonse @ plu.edu Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 09:24:59 -0800 (PST) Marc, Two Hearts Collides is one of my favorite songs from the band. However, I just don't think that in 1988, if any year at all, that American audiences would appreciate the song. I am curious if you can think of any other songs, along the same vain, that were hits around that time. I can't think of one. The frusterating thing is when you fall in love with a song, but for some unexplanable reason, it is just not RADIO material. TCOY, Joe ------------------------------ Subject: catching up From: EMIKATIE @ aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:29:41 -0500 Wow, Holy Shit. (Eric... forgive me) What the hell did you guys let happen while I was gone. While I was gone..... Me, my wife and three kids spent 5 nights/ 6 days at Disneyworld - first time. The snow in Buffalo, NY was 10" deep 15 F when we left, 76F and palm trees when we landed!!! I'm sure all 460 of you are happy for me. (Except Joe P.) In that vein, can/should we coin a new phrase to describe a post that is rife with insult, belittlement, whining, sarcasm, etc? Let's call it a Joe P. As in, "I hate to Joe P. you but, your latest post sucked because it didn't measure up to my standard." OR should we not waste any more time on that malcontent and just move on? I vote move on. Eric... does Joe P have the record for eliciting the most member responses? Personally, I like the post very much. I'm not sure how reading the topics at the start of the digest can be used to filter out messages of no interest, unless it is used to see who the poster is so that their message can be skipped over as in, "Oh, there's a message from EMIKATIE, I think I'll skip over his message." I read ALL the messages but fast forward when the topic is not to my interest i.e. bass players or bass guitars. But I did post a message about a Badfinger video. I knew someone would be interested. Actually, I was quite disappointed that my X-Mas eve post re: Star Trek was ignored. (I'll recover.) Personally, when someone asks a question, I like to see the answer in the digest. Even if its like, "Where can I get the World Machine CD? I really think it adds to the notion of a "forum". An "exchange" of information and ideas. I've seen many questions go unanswered in the digest and I can only hope that the answers are given via e-mail. I'd like to see them in the digest. I've also seen a few new names on the posts which I put down to subscribers having more free time during the holidays to read and reply. (Also the Joe P. factor) I just proof read my post and realized that there is nothing about Level 42 in it!!! Is it "post worthy"? Does it merit the Delete command? You decide. Here's something I hope I can get a response to. (digest or e-mail) I'm after the video Fait Accompli. Any sources other than CD Banzai? The machine stops. John M ------------------------------ Subject: Three Singles...and More From: J Shuford Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 09:35:38 -0800 (PST) Okay, here's my version of the "Three Singles" game. I am not limiting myself to three and only three, however. L42's history of single releases does not suggest that they would only have three for release (even though the record company boilerplate contract demands three that are suitable for 7" and video release). I would also emphasize that there was a time (Running in the Family) when L42 released singles in advance of the album. I would suggest that L42's hoped strategy for Forever Now--to release singles for a few months before the album's eventual release--was a good one. That being said, here are the singles I would have released from World Machine to Forever Now (in order of single release): WORLD MACHINE: **Something About You **Leaving Me Now **World Machine **I Sleep on My Heart **Lying Still RUNNING IN THE FAMILY: **Lessons in Love **Running in the Family **Children Say **It's Over **To be with You Again **Freedom Someday STARING AT THE SUN: **Heaven in My Hands **Take a Look **Tracie **Two Hearts Collide LEVEL BEST: **Take Care of Yourself **Starchild (New Remix--not the one that appears on the album, but the one with the ultrafunky wah-wah guitar from Alan Murphy) GUARANTEED: **All She Wants **Overtime **If You Were Mine **Guaranteed **My Father's Shoes **As Years Go By FOREVER NOW: **Billy's Gone (RCA Version--the added lyrics are nice, but the RCA product is more finished) **Learn to Say No **Forever Now **Love in a Peaceful World **All Over You **Romance **Tired of Waiting So there you have it! Shuf shuf @ darkwing.uoregon.edu ------------------------------ Subject: LEVEL 42 LEAD SINGERS: Glen's Reply From: pattonse @ plu.edu Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 09:38:24 -0800 (PST) Glen, I see your point, and those bands did not elude me. But in the case of pop music as it were, I have come to believe that when American audiences associate a band with a lead singer's voice, and then you switch, the don't register that being the same band. So any credibilty that the group had established with the audience is back at square one. Again, I am speaking to the American audience mentality. If you were to change Simon La Bon as lead singer of Duran Duran, and then have Rick Springfield sing lead on a song, it wouldn't work. I don't know, I just think that Mike's voice would not be one that people over here would warm up to. Also, even if Mark sang Silence, the song I don't think could work on American radio. But when you think of a band like Mikeand the Mechanics, you think: THE LIVING YEARS (Paul Carrack) SILENT RUNNING (Paul Carrack) not TAKING IN (Paul Young- not that Paul Young) ALL I NEED IS A MIRACLE (Paul Young) One the last song there, yes a great number of people know the song, but probably think "isn't that UB40?" I don't think that American audiences want pop groups to change from what they associate them to be. Do you see what I'm saying? I think it makes it too complicated for them. thought to ponder though, Joe ------------------------------ Subject: LEVEL 42: All She Wants Lyric From: pattonse @ plu.edu Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 09:42:25 -0800 (PST) Does anyone know how to fill in this blank from All She Wants: BUT SHE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT YOU'LL ALWAYS LOVE HER LIKE _______________________ IN A ________________________? It has always drived me nuts since I think I know all theother lyrics to their songs. This eludes me. Kind of like the WHOA BE TIED line from Tired of Waiting. pretty little boy, Joe ------------------------------ Subject: Waiting for my "life" to come in From: "Jay Tracy" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 19:39:08 -0500 (EST) > JAY: Once again I shall say LEARN TO READ. Only a baby would it infer > it as such. Aaarrrrghhhhhh! I've been found out, damnit. Yes boys and girls, it's true, I **can not** read, and I'm only 2 years old!! > and there's no need to be defensive, when there's nothing to defend Well! Odd that you state that, being that you have posted the longest "defensive" post I have ever seen. Asshead... On another note, I hope everyone heard/saw that Mark King was Knighted the other day...oh wait, that was Paul McCartny. Sorry. :-P > Level 42 Digest Volume 96 : Issue 367 Jeezuz, Eric! Shouldn't that be Volume 97 : Issue 1 ?? This List sucks!! ;-) I will now go subscribe to the 'how to get "some sort of life"' newsgroup. ..jay Apart from hydrogen, the most common thing in the universe is stupidity. ------------------------------ Subject: Mile High Level Fest From: ByrdLvl42 @ aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 01:10:36 -0500 Just in case you haven't heard, I am trying to gather some Level Heads together for an impromptu "Denver Level Fest", to swap stories, recordings, and fanhood. So far interest has been brisk, and to those I have already met in Colorado who are 42 freaks I say "Keep on 'Running in the Family'", and I'll see you very soon!!! Those who haven't heard, I am the self-proclaimed Level 42 fanatic Byrdman. And believe me, if you live in Denver, CO and if you've heard of me, you know this to be true. My goal is to meet as many Levelheads as possible to keep my fanhood fresh. (Sorry about yelling here, but...) SO IF YOU LIVE IN DENVER AND ARE A FAN OF LEVEL 42 AND CAN READ THIS POST OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO CAN READ THIS POST FOR YOU WRITE ME AT: ByrdLvl42 @ aol.com OR POST BACK SO I CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND WE CAN GET TOGETHER. 'nuff said? "The time has come for dreaming Don't feel tired, but I feel the need to sleep Cause my life takes on new meaning When I close my eyes and you reveal youself to me" - I sleep on my heart Byrdman ByrdLvl42 @ aol.com ------------------------------ Subject: Some fanboy questions From: ByrdLvl42 @ aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 01:10:43 -0500 Hey yall. Byrdman, The Mile High Level Head here with some choice fanboy that has plagued me for a while. I would apreciate any responses. 1) I was once told that 42 was on Saturday Night Live. Is this true. And, of course, does any one have copies to sell or give? 2) Besides that I was told about the bands other apperances on "Solid Gold" and "One Life to Live" (an appeareance I suspected for a while to be lie told by my trickster friends). Does any one have copies of these appearances. 3) On "Play Me (Resurgence Version)" there's a part that Mike sings in French. Would someone please tell me what he saying. 4) While I'm on it, how many languages does Mike speak? On "White Funky" I've heard him speak German. I'm impressed. 5) Does anyone have other recordings they could copy or part with. I could use them in this desolate mountain paradise. 6) Finally, let me say to both Loz and Joe Parrington, and all who responded about the content of this digest. I can really care less if we discuss Mark's thumb all the time or or just between stories about our lives, as long as the core of the digest is about my fav group I'm happy. And I want to share my fandom, and other news with those who might feel the same way I do about music and things. So Joe, I can see what your trying to say. I hope you get heard and get you point across the way you want without too much more hassle. And to Loz, sorry you got singled out. I have never met you but I'm sure you are cool and do in fact have a life. Anyway if you need me I'll be here "Hours by the window..." Byrdman ByrdLvl42 @ aol.com ------------------------------ Subject: This Year Will Be Different!!!! From: "Lazlo Nibble" Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 00:52:31 -0700 (MST) > A CD is "supposed" to hold 660 megs or 76 minutes of music, but > Forever Now is 78:01..... any explanations on that? You can get over 80 minutes onto a single CD if you're willing to violate the specifications. Most players can handle these discs; some can't. As far as Joe is concerned: 1) If more than a couple of people misinterpret what you say it's time to start putting the blame on what you wrote, not on how they chose to read it, and 2) I'm sorry to see someone who I generally agree with about a lot of things go so far out of his way to discredit those opinions with a ridiculous public rant like the one we saw here the other day. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo @ swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: recent heated discussions From: steve @ redac.co.uk (Steve Robson) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 10:14:02 GMT What ho! Happy new year everybody!!! WOW! What a series of dialogues over the last week! Good Choice. Personally I wonder if Joe joined the digest with no other intention than to stir things up? I don't mind. Don't rise to the bait, he'll get bored and go away. On a parallel to this I got to wondering things like: 1. For each subscriber, how many times have they posted? How many have NEVER done so? (not that it matters) 2. For each subscriber, how long have they been subscribing? What I mean by "each subscriber" includes past and present. I realise that Eric probably won't reveal this information as He may be reluctant to reveal the electronic 'identies' of the subscribers. Anyway, I enjoy reading everything posted here, I scan read most of it and see no reason to change anything. Say what you want!!! So here's a L42 related bit! Message to Mikey42, Ben Poole, Roberto Vargas (sorry to hear your recent news) and Ken Meacham. I'm really sorry that I didn't deliver the promised goods before Christmas. Events carried me away! I have recieved your packages (Ken, Ben) and will get to it just as soon as I can. And about Loz's news and these 'new' tracks: WOWEE!! HOP DANG GOOD JOB!! DEEP JOY AND SPANGLED DOODLES!! Finally, after recent discussions where people get all territorial about 'their' Level 42 related sign-off, how about a compilation thereof? I stake my claim: (Level) best regards, Steve e-mail: steve_robson @ redac.co.uk Zuken-Redac (UK) Ltd. Tel: 0118 966 9955 (or) 0836 580066 66 Suttons Park Avenue Fax: 0118 935 2899 Reading BERKSHIRE Web: http://www.redac.co.uk RG6 1AZ UK