From: Level42-request @ worldmachine.com (Level42 Digest) Subject: Level42 Digest V96 #289 _ ____ _ ____ _ _ ___ // //__ // / //__ // /__// __// //__ //__ \\_/ //__ //__ // /__ D I G E S T Level42 Digest Volume 96 : Issue 289 443 subscribers Today's topics: Nigel Collier 'Digest Bashing' lolita An idea by LOZ!! JNSMITH Dallas Level 42 Round Up Tucker A. Hass Alternate B-sides cover lolita live CD Dan Del Savio Porky Rides Brzezicki John Edward Martin Shuford POA ++ Laurence Green LevelRare Update 10-14-96 John Venzon MicroKid for sale!! Mike What about... Julian Arnold My "pursuit of accidents"Cd JodyBob Re: Level42 Digest V96 #288 Andre Huijts Simon Merritt ------------------------------ Subject: From: Nigel.Collier @ ncl.ac.uk (Nigel Collier) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:03:36 +0100 > Perhaps only us remix enthusiasts can understand the difference, while > others just think that anything that strays from the studio track is > lumped into one big category and dismissed. What a pity. Yes, what a terrible shame that people like myself are sooo narrow-minded that we simply lack the intellect and mental capacity to appreciate a 'good remix'. Pity us - but maybe one day we dullards will achieve the same superior appreciation and understanding of music as you 'remix enthusiasts'. If you like them then good luck to you - I don't, and would prefer them to appear on a separate CD for those who do (you're entitled to your opinion - different strokes) . It's a bit silly to twist peoples' words however and categorise all non-remix enthusiasts in such a way. I don't feel I need to "lighten up", I like my music to be as alive and real-time as possible and the [L42] remixes I've heard [even if they were mixed by Saint Mark of King himself] have been invariably awful THOUGH OTHERS MAY WELL LIKE THEM. > It makes me sad to see it when people have such a strong negative > reaction to the concept of a remix I have no problem with the *concept* of remixes - I'm not saying they're disrespectful or unjustified - I'm just saying they're generally crap. I am even willing to accept that a 'good remix' is a successful blending of the mixer's skill and the original artists' work but as far as MY EAR is concerned, the more that a track is 'produced' and the more that happens to it after it has been performed (live or in the studio) the worse it gets (even though I concede that a 'studio' track may well contain highly mixed elements). I'm always suspicious that a track is overly-mixed or remixed to mask a lack of musical talent in the artist (step forward Pet Shop Boys and your ilk) which is obviously not the case with L42 - IMHO a good [L42] song is an immediate thing, capturing the interaction of real musicians in real time, not something that's been constantly fannied about with with a crappy synthesised beat layed over the top - which is what most remixes sound like to me - but then I am ignorant. Nigel Nigel Collier (Nigel.Collier @ ncl.ac.uk) Webmaster, Newcastle University Careers Service. (http://www.careers.ncl.ac.uk/careers/careers.html) Eater of donuts & Jedi Knight ------------------------------ Subject: 'Digest Bashing' From: lolita @ interserv.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:43:27 -0700 Hey All: Since I was one of the original people who posted a skip track list, I feel the need to comment. I thought that this Digest was a forum for discussion about the band. Are people only allowed to state their opinions if they are positive or in agreement with everyone else? There are many 'levels' of enthusiasm and interest in the band on the digest, and there should be room for all of them to discuss their views. I consider myself a very dedicated fan, but just because there are certain tracks I dislike doesn't mean I dislike the band. When you are dating someone, just because there are certain traits they have that you could do without, that doesn't mean you don't love them anyway. I think that disliking certain songs, and stating those opinions for attribution, doesn't constitute trashing the band. Another point: not all 400 plus members of the digest consider Level 42 their favorite band, and we should all respect that. Some of us have loads of stuff that we consider common, while others only have half of the commercial releases. Let's consider _everyone's_ wishes, and not just us diehards. If our subsequent CDs are going to more than the 20 most active Levelheads, we shouldn't disregard the general consensus, i.e. 'Why include _track xxx_ when it is available on vinyl in _insert your country here_?'. Bottom line: folks want the rare stuff, and if we can burn it on CD, we should do so, even if you personally have 5 copies of it on cassette or vinyl. AYGB name - There were two reasons the name was chosen: a) the Digest voted on it, so if you weren't around, unfortunately you missed out, and b) like most releases, the title song is actually a song on the album, while also conveying the fact that the CD spans a number of years in the band's life. Lolita ------------------------------ Subject: An idea by LOZ!! From: JNSMITH @ msuvx2.memphis.edu Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:47:23 -0600 (CST) Hey guys, I know we are trying to get the tracks settled for this next project, but LOZ pointed out something interesting. We should do a demo disc with a lot of these songs the way "THE BOYS" wanted us to hear them. I personally think this is a great idea for the disc AFTER the one we are currently arguing about. What do you think? JOE ------------------------------ Subject: Dallas Level 42 Round Up From: "Tucker A. Hass" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:22:05 -0500 Yee-haw! This weekend will mark the time of the largest digest gathering. We are expecting about a dozen or so hoodlums to show up and have a great time at the Dallas Level 42 Round Up! If you are coming and are not on the following list, please let me know asap: matthew stone kdok @ gower.net jennifer.reddin @ pfs.sprint.com zaphod @ hub.ofthe.net wjgreer @ aol.com NrsngDude @ aol.com DJRJ89073 @ aol.com Gregory Reddin SWRO_Tech_Support_1 @ fnma.com mikey42 @ aol.com Gil Gowing mikep3099 @ aol.com. bphillips @ innoserv.com Based on responses from most of above, it has been decided we are going to meet at a restaurant to make things easiest. We will meet in Las Colinas on the canal. Saturday, October 19th, at 1:00pm at Helincing. It is a new restaraunt right on the waterway. Off Highway 114, exit O'Conner. Turn north, go one block to Las Colinas (pronounced ko-leen-us). Turn right (east). Then park, either on street or in garage. Helincing is down the steps on the canal. I am going to go by there today and check it out. If someone needs more directions, e-mail seperately and let me know where you are coming from and I'll help ya. After eating, drinking and being merry, we will go to my house right just a few miles down highway 161. Please e-mail and let me know for sure if you are coming so we know who to expect and when. Some of you are not coming till later. Let me know again what is happening. I will need to give you directions to my house. Also, who is staying at my place? E-me today if you can, and I will keep you posted on what is going on. We will probably want to have snacks and drinks for the rest of the day too, so bring whatever you want. Irving (which is also where Las Colinas is) is dry but the beer store is not far from the restaurant. Bring any Level 42 stuff you want (or non-L42, too). We will go on until everyone want to stop. If I want to bail first, well, then y'all can carry on and I'll go do my thing (whatever that might be!). Tuck ps. Please leave your blow up dolls at home. You can use one of mine. ------------------------------ Subject: Alternate B-sides cover From: lolita @ interserv.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:30:02 -0700 Does anybody have a copy of Nigel's AYGB CD cover that they can e-mail me? I need to print it out for Lars, and I don't have it on my hard drive anymore. Actually, Nigel (duh!) can you send it to me? Someone please let me know. My e-mail address for this purpose is LolitaJ @ aol.com [Spry doesn't do attached graphic files very well :-(]. ------------------------------ Subject: live CD From: Dan Del Savio Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:36:18 -0400 > I agree with Winston. Let's do a live CD for the next shot, and make it > a seemless concert. I can put this together if anyone wants me to. > Winston has a copy of my demo tape (as well as Pat) with a song on it > where I lifted the crowd noise off a *real* live song and looped it into > mine. Crescendo the crowd noise during guitar or bass solos, whatever, > and it'll pretty much sound like one live piece. In fact, I can sample > the crowd noise between each two tracks and cross fade them so that they > blend into one another. Once that's all done, I can put it all on DAT > -- I just can't burn any CD's 'cos I don't have a CD-R. Anyway, just a > thought. Definitely should be a live album, with 'rarer' heard songs. Having it sound more professional would be a plus, but not necessary. dan Sometimes the looks I get from people that I've never met, it's cruel, poor hard done by you..... ------------------------------ Subject: Porky Rides Brzezicki From: John Edward Martin Shuford Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Two Points: On the Steve/Mark Brzezicki thing, I knew that Mark B was the drummer for Big Country, but I didn't know the status of Steve. I assumed (incorrectly, apparently) that he played for Big Country too--sorta the Phil and Boon thing. On the subject of REMIXES AS BASTARDIZED CRAP THAT L42 DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH... It seems to me that Mark King was responsible for both the Hen Pecked Horns Mix of "Overtime" and the Porky Rides Again Mix of "Forever Now." Yes, I remember hearing that Mark considered PRA "Forever Now" a joke and that he slapped it together in about 10 minutes, but the point is that it came from his hand, thus it falls under the L42 musical penumbra somewhat closer than some others. JohnS ------------------------------ Subject: POA ++ From: Laurence Green <106265.1665 @ compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:57:32 -0400 Hello everyone, John, I have such a bad memory, I didnt even remember giving you my discography. (are you confusing me with Lazlo). My discography is just the items I have, along with a few items I need to complete the UK set. The POA items I have are: - Standard UK LP Polydor delux POLD 5067 (I have cass + CD too) - Standard UK gold embossed promo POLD 5067 - PD-1-6359 gold promo embossed also embossed with DEC 02 1982, I think this is the US issue? - I hope that answers any problems you have John. See you tomorrow....................LOZ ------------------------------ Subject: LevelRare Update 10-14-96 From: John Venzon Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 12:07:38 -0000 Ok! Ok! Stop twisting my arm! Stop it! Ouch! Uncle! Uncle! After signing on and finding 23 (!) emails on the topic I have finally relented and have gone back to the idea of making this 2 discs instead of one. The first will be the live one then the rare/demo/remix disc, with the priority being listed that way. (ie rare beats demos which in turn beats remixes. Say, I like this game...) See, if you think that the live disc is a waste of time, DON'T ORDER IT! If you think that the rare/demo/remix disc is a waste of time, DON'T ORDER IT. A simple time-released answer to all your problems. Now, this means that I will be compiling both discs at the same time, but will be putting priority onto the Live disc first. Since most tracks will be from cassettes, the audio quality won't be as consistent as the AYGB disc, as we had great source material. I don't want anyone to get too upset because of "the trivial annoying details." Lord knows NOBODY wants that! So here is the updated list with a little appeal to the man with the rare tracks from the UK: *****LIVE DISC***** 1: Turn it on (P.P live) [Jvenzon] 2: Mr. Pink (P.P live) [Jvenzon] 3: 88 (P.P live) [Jvenzon] 4: Namm solo bass jam [Jvenzon] 8:00 5: I Want Eyes (live) [WALTFRA @ frmail.rosemount.com] 6: Love Games (live) on the German Love Games 12" [???] 7. Running in the Family (Wembley 86, Original version) LIVE [Mikey42] 8. Tracie (Wembley 89, the one cut off the CD release) LIVE [Mikey42] 9. Kouyate (Rotterdam, 84) LIVE [Mikey42] 10. I Want Eyes (Slough, UK, 83) LIVE [Mikey42] 11. Out of Sight, Out of Mind (Slough, UK, 83) LIVE [Mikey42] 12. Set Me Up (Hammersmith, 90) LIVE [Mikey42] 13. Follow Me (Version different of of APP EP release) LIVE [Mikey42] 14. Forever Now (LIVE) * [Mikey42] 15. Model Friend (LIVE) * [Mikey42] 16. One In A Million (LIVE)* [Mikey42] 17. Love In a Peaceful World (LIVE)* [Mikey42] 18. All Over You (LIVE)* [Mikey42] 19. 43 (LIVE) [Lolita] 20. Pursuit of Accidents (LIVE) [Lolita] 21. If you where mine (live) [WALTFRA @ frmail.rosemount.com] *****REMIX DISC***** 1: Thunderthumbs and the Toetsenman: Freedom A-Go-Go {B-side} [???] 2: Heaven In My Hands promo only mix [love @ iar.se Lars-Ove] 3: Tired of Waiting Demo (different lyrics) [???] 4: Micro Kid promo only remix [???] 5: Out of Sight, Out of Mind (Long Version?) [???] 6. Guaranteed (DEMO) [Mikey42] 7: Tired of Waiting (DEMO) [Mikey42] 8: Journey to the Powerline [Winston Walker!] ATTENTION MR. LAURENCE GREEN!!! After your repeated postings about what SHOULD and what SHOULD NOT be on the disc, it is time to put your money where your mouth is. I am putting you down for the following tracks, and it's up to you to produce them for the benefit of the greater Level 42 good: 9: All She Wants (DEMO)[Laurence Green <106265.1665 @ compuserve.com>] 10: Play Me (DEMO)[Laurence Green <106265.1665 @ compuserve.com>] 11-23: The Forever Now ORIGINAL 13 track demo [Laurence Green <106265.1665 @ compuserve.com>] 24-??: Promo tapes for Heaven In My Hands [Laurence Green <106265.1665 @ compuserve.com>] >This is not what I thought the idea was, >this is insanity, ... Please lets not >waste any space! ... C'mon it doenst take much. Quite right Mr. Green, it doesn't take much. I have emailed you my address where you can send the tapes to. Thanks for suggesting all that great stuff! Lastly, the vote to dump or keep the PP live tracks is: 5 Dump 14 Keep Vote! Vote! Vote! Send me an email with either "Dump the PP" or "Keep the PP" in the subject to: jvenzon @ aol.com jvenzon @ primenet.com Also, any other tracks you want to add to either disc, send them to the same address... Dive into the neon love machine, love chillins', John V ------------------------------ Subject: MicroKid for sale!! From: Mike Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:34:30 -0400 Dirkies! I am interested in the MicroKid release you have for sale! And to all...I would like to get ahold of as many different versions/mixes of MicroKid that are out there. Please drop an email to smdutra @ ccnet.com and lemme know what's out there! Thankee! Mike Dutra Pleasanton, CA smdutra @ ccnet.com gromit @ aimnet.com ------------------------------ Subject: What about... From: "Julian Arnold" Date: 14 Oct 1996 14:49:13 -0700 Hi Fellow Fans!, and Marc Doo-pee!!!! Theres a lot of talk about one CD with these (cool) live tracks on it, what about exluding nothing and doing a double live and later on we could do a double remixes album...? lets face it there will be NO new material either regular studio albums OR remixes (that I know of for now) PLUS the fact theres more than enough material to do another TEN CD's of stuff!! so lets splash out and keep the spirit (of the People) alive, The Chant has begun (so to speak!!!)... Lets hear ya say it loud.. "Two discs!...two discs!...two discs...two discs!...two discs!...two discs!" (don't try THAT with a few pints 'o' Guinness!) Any opposition...???????? Slainte Julian. ------------------------------ Subject: My "pursuit of accidents"Cd From: JodyBob @ aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:16:57 -0400 I don't remember who wrote the letter about their version of POA but they had the catalogue # 8100151y1 I think. Well mine's from W. Germany and it's catalogue # is 810 015 -2 YH Anything special?? Jody p.s. all you levelheads in the Seattle area: STAR 101.5 is very receptive to requests for L42, in fact one of their DJ's told me that S.A.Y. was his favorite 80's song!!! Call in: 421-1015 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Level42 Digest V96 #288 From: "Andre Huijts" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:27:43 +0100 > As for Royal 1, well it is a laser etched 12" issued anonymously to DJs Thanks for the extra info Loz ! I actualy already knew how it looked like, because I have had it in my hands for a couple of minutes on a CD/record fair in Rotterdam. Still if you don't know this is Level 42 stuff, you will easily miss it while searching through the heaps of records on these kind of fairs. Actually I missed it at first as well. I was attended to it by the guy who sold stuff, after I had picked out some other nice 12"'s of L42. But he asked DFL 75,-, that's about 30 UKP. Bit expensive I think. Still maybe I can negotiate 'cause I still have the guys telephone number. > Vince Mora writes: > It makes me sad to see it when people have such a strong negative > reaction to the concept of a remix. It's called having *FUN*, people! > The remix is simply something new and tangential -- it wasn't created to > try and repress or replace the original song, for heaven's sake. If you > don't get into remixes that's fine, but there's no reason to get > offended, like it's disrespectful to the band's work. The remix is not > trying to be better than the original; it's just trying to be different, > and FUN. If anything it's a tribute to the band and the song, in a > different musical vein. So lighten up! Vince, my man, I couldn't have said it better, but that's the point I was making ! > Hear hear. When a remix is good it's a fusion of the remixer's > creativity and the power of the original song. > I agree, the K-Klass stuff is ridiculous! Perhaps only us remix > enthusiasts can understand the difference, while others just think that > anything that strays from the studio track is lumped into one big > category and dismissed. What a pity. Ah, you're _so_ right. Just one example: LIAPW (edit) and the Old Skool Remix are almost completly different songs. I think the Old Skool sounds a bit more polished and U.S. style (more like a 'hit'?). Still I like to hear both versions, I don't have a preference (yet ;-)). About remixes: Dirk, in this context I can hardly believe that Mark King = Porky. Although not as bad as the K-Klass stuff, I still don't think Mark could make this out of the original. But if he did, well, he shure fooled me ! >>please stop posting msg's like "I always skip this song", or "I never >>liked this song"... These msg are of no help or info whatsoever, and >>there will always be people that agree and other who don't... >> >>DE GUSTIBUS ET COLORIBUS NON EST DISPUTANDUM! >> >>Gee, *try* listening to tracks you don't like the first time, perhaps >>you'd discover their beautiness after all. I do it all the time, and >>there's no single track left I skip. L42 is L42 as a whole, at least if > I'm sorry, but I didn't think the KGB was on this page!!! I guess I'm > writing this > because there is alot of "nonsense" messages to some, while others it can > seem informative or just something that other members would like to talk > about. WHOOOOOOHW Dirk here you go again !!! After being called a Telemarketeer, you're now up for a KGB agent (why not CIA for that matter ? Someone form the States wrote this I suppose !) (I also wonder what is worse, KGB or Telemarketeer ;) ) What's next, I wonder ???? HEY YOU, I've met this guy, and I would eat up my entire L42 collecection if Dirkies was a KGB-man ! What - I think - Dirk is trying to say is that it was getting a bit of a bore, and also anoying to see: I MUST skip this, or I don't like that. Shurely I also have some (not many) tracks of L42 I like less than others, but NONE IS WORTH SKIPPING ! (I agree with Dirk on this) Some tracks, you just have to learn to listen to, I agree with Dirk on that too. On the other hand I don't have a problem with discussing tracks you like less, as long as it's done with arguments, not just lists. The lists got a bit of a negative tone in the end. Luckely tastes differ, so there will always be people who love one song while others hate it. (I know this is a cliche, but heck it's true !) And again there's nothing wrong about being critical. Groetjes, Andre ------------------------------ Subject: From: Simon Merritt Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:46:20 +0100 (BST) Hello anyone out there. Have read several of the messages. I have seen that people out there are interested in the Princes Trust Concerts which Level 42 have partisipated in. They have been included in two to my knowledge. The first one was Mark, Mike, Phil and Boon playing "Lessons in Love". Then later on just Mark and Mike play "Running in the Family", this track also features an impressive guitar solo from Eric Clapton, they are being backed by other such legends as, Elton John, Phil Colllins, etc, etc, the list goes on. The second one is some years later at the Birmingham NEC. Level 42 and the Birmingham Symphony Orchestra, conducted by George Martin, back artists such as Mike and the Mechanics, John Farnam, Tony Hadley of Spandau Ballet, etc. Level 42 themselves play "Heaven in my Hands" and another track I cannot remember off the top of my head. I have the first concert on Compact Disc and the second on VHS video. They are both good items as the other artists on the albums are as good as Level 42. bye for now Simon Merritt P.S. Does anybody know where I can get hold of a copy of the new version of Forever Now?